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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 10:49:33 GMT
It's too scary to contemplate. Nearly 500 billion of extra spending, and that's only on the stuff they are willing to tell us ! Some people forget, that any money the government spend has to be paid for by the taxpayer at some point. The IFS made this point yesterday. The proposed spending only brings us into line with the leading European economies. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 10:50:36 GMT
It's too scary to contemplate. Nearly 500 billion of extra spending, and that's only on the stuff they are willing to tell us ! Some people forget, that any money the government spend has to be paid for by the taxpayer at some point. It is just a chart with no context! Does it include the 400 billion not mentioned in the Manifesto, 250 billion for their Green Transformation Fund or the 150 billion for their National Transformation Fund? The Manifesto only covers about 85 billion of increased spending. Oh, and according the Labour to Nationalise the big utility companies and the railways would cost zero, nowt, zilch. The cost of that policy is just ignored by Labour, with estimates saying it would cost around 170 billion. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 22, 2019 10:50:54 GMT
The IFS made this point yesterday. The proposed spending only brings us into line with the leading European economies. Yes I think there are a few very popular anti-labour soundbites going around at the moment but I'm not sure many of them carry much weight particularly when you look at the data. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 22, 2019 10:51:38 GMT
It is just a chart with no context! Does it include the 400 billion not mentioned in the Manifesto, 250 billion for their Green Transformation Fund or the 150 billion for their National Transformation Fund? The Manifesto only covers about 85 billion of increased spending. Oh, and according the Labour to Nationalise the big utility companies and the railways would cost zero, nowt, zilch. The cost of that policy is just ignored by Labour, with estimates saying it would cost around 170 billion. Remind me Tory, what are the costings for your party's plans? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 10:59:29 GMT
One man's view versus a mountain of proven recorded instances. Yes, Corbyn is anti-semitic. Here is the resignation letter from Louise Ellman, a Labour Member for 55 years.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 11:00:53 GMT
It is just a chart with no context! Does it include the 400 billion not mentioned in the Manifesto, 250 billion for their Green Transformation Fund or the 150 billion for their National Transformation Fund? The Manifesto only covers about 85 billion of increased spending. Oh, and according the Labour to Nationalise the big utility companies and the railways would cost zero, nowt, zilch. The cost of that policy is just ignored by Labour, with estimates saying it would cost around 170 billion. Remind me Tory, what are the costings for your party's plans? First off, not my party. Second, they haven't released their manifesto yet. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 22, 2019 11:01:41 GMT
Remind me Tory, what are the costings for your party's plans? First off, not my party. Second, they haven't released their manifesto yet. ha sure nobby |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 11:02:20 GMT
The IFS made this point yesterday. The proposed spending only brings us into line with the leading European economies. Yes I think there are a few very popular anti-labour soundbites going around at the moment but I'm not sure many of them carry much weight particularly when you look at the data. Yes, I agree. The thing is to separate Current account spending and capital borrowing. In the former the Tories borrowed £11billion last month (as reported this am), annualised that's £132billion ( annualised for dramatic effect) The thing is they are doing this and shouting blue murder at Labour, and have nothing to show for it. Nothing. At least with labour one can make a quantifiable analysis if they get in and do this, against their actual delivery. With the Tories, its spin, lies and do nothing, and borrow loads. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 11:04:44 GMT
Remind me Tory, what are the costings for your party's plans? First off, not my party. Second, they haven't released their manifesto yet. I am voting Lib Dem on a single issue, Revoke, but wavering as I totally agree with Labours house building agenda. Who are you voting for, or supporting? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 11:05:14 GMT
First off, not my party. Second, they haven't released their manifesto yet. ha sure nobby Eh, the manifesto hasn't been released yet. That is a 100% verifiable fact. What are you and your party doing about the anti-semitism which is rife in your party? I understand that you have approx. 140 cases in your party that are 'pending investigation'. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 22, 2019 11:07:17 GMT
One man's view versus a mountain of proven recorded instances. Yes, Corbyn is anti-semitic. Here is the resignation letter from Louise Ellman, a Labour Member for 55 years. Its just another person's view. I dont doubt they have an issue with it in their party much like the conservatives also have antisemites and an islamophobia problem too. I just read the actual things Corbyn has done in supporting the jewish community and cant help but wonder, is this really a person who discriminates against jewish people or is this just another item from the long list of ever less credible attack lines from a Tory party funded by Russians and climate change deniers, who continue to openly doctor interviews and deliberately publish 'fake news' to mislead the electorate. Difficult to know who to trust when the ones calling out issues are irreversibly corrupt eh |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 11:07:29 GMT
First off, not my party. Second, they haven't released their manifesto yet. I am voting Lib Dem on a single issue, Revoke, but wavering as I totally agree with Labours house building agenda. Who are you voting for, or supporting? Have you looked at the detail Oldie re the house building? 75 billion they say they will spend, but it is still down to local councils to purchase the land. How will local councils get the money to purchase the land? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 22, 2019 11:08:45 GMT
Eh, the manifesto hasn't been released yet. That is a 100% verifiable fact. What are you and your party doing about the anti-semitism which is rife in your party? I understand that you have approx. 140 cases in your party that are 'pending investigation'. Cant wait to see it! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 11:09:59 GMT
One man's view versus a mountain of proven recorded instances. Yes, Corbyn is anti-semitic. Here is the resignation letter from Louise Ellman, a Labour Member for 55 years. Its just another person's view. I dont doubt they have an issue with it in their party much like the conservatives also have antisemites and an islamophobia problem too. I just read the actual things Corbyn has done in supporting the jewish community and cant help but wonder, is this really a person who discriminates against jewish people or is this just another item from the long list of ever less credible attack lines from a Tory party funded by Russians and climate change deniers, who continue to openly doctor interviews and deliberately publish 'fake news' to mislead the electorate. Difficult to know who to trust when the ones calling out issues are irreversibly corrupt eh I don't want to publish the resignation letters of the other people who have resigned from Labour over this issue, there are too many. So, any news of the 140 cases of anti-semitism that are 'pending investigation' within the Labour Party? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 22, 2019 11:14:20 GMT
Its just another person's view. I dont doubt they have an issue with it in their party much like the conservatives also have antisemites and an islamophobia problem too. I just read the actual things Corbyn has done in supporting the jewish community and cant help but wonder, is this really a person who discriminates against jewish people or is this just another item from the long list of ever less credible attack lines from a Tory party funded by Russians and climate change deniers, who continue to openly doctor interviews and deliberately publish 'fake news' to mislead the electorate. Difficult to know who to trust when the ones calling out issues are irreversibly corrupt eh I don't want to publish the resignation letters of the other people who have resigned from Labour over this issue, there are too many. So, any news of the 140 cases of anti-semitism that are 'pending investigation' within the Labour Party? No idea I have nothing to do with labour but when you say too many do you mean 3? Perhaps they should have swept it under the carpet like the Islamic issue in the Tory party and less people would have made a fuss eh. I have no idea myself really but I always like to call out when people in glass houses start throwing stones. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 22, 2019 11:16:11 GMT
Good news guys, the Brexit company's 'contract with the people' aka manifesto has arrived in all of its 21 page glory and zero costings.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 11:23:41 GMT
I don't want to publish the resignation letters of the other people who have resigned from Labour over this issue, there are too many. So, any news of the 140 cases of anti-semitism that are 'pending investigation' within the Labour Party? No idea I have nothing to do with labour but when you say too many do you mean 3? Perhaps they should have swept it under the carpet like the Islamic issue in the Tory party and less people would have made a fuss eh. I have no idea myself really but I always like to call out when people in glass houses start throwing stones. How many cases of Islamaphobia do the Tories have 'pending investigation'? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 22, 2019 11:28:18 GMT
No idea I have nothing to do with labour but when you say too many do you mean 3? Perhaps they should have swept it under the carpet like the Islamic issue in the Tory party and less people would have made a fuss eh. I have no idea myself really but I always like to call out when people in glass houses start throwing stones. How many cases of Islamaphobia do the Tories have 'pending investigation'? and that would prove what? How many they admit to? Take seriously? Their demographic? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 11:37:15 GMT
I am voting Lib Dem on a single issue, Revoke, but wavering as I totally agree with Labours house building agenda. Who are you voting for, or supporting? Have you looked at the detail Oldie re the house building? 75 billion they say they will spend, but it is still down to local councils to purchase the land. How will local councils get the money to purchase the land? Land is an interesting issue, given that private house builders purchase land and then "land bank" it to control supply and therefore prices. You can just see compulsory purchase coming into play. But in answer to your question I dont know that detail, it's the general thrust of a house building campaign that I support. In any event borrowing upto tens of £billions and building 1,700 homes doesnt cut it for me. But out of interest, who will / would you vote for? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 11:39:17 GMT
How many cases of Islamaphobia do the Tories have 'pending investigation'? and that would prove what? How many they admit to? Take seriously? Their demographic? It's hard to take seriously charges of prejudice and racism from the Tories, and the right in general, given their public outbursts including their currently leader |
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