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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 13:24:53 GMT
It has to be Tory as I cannot see how the economic destruction of the UK will ever help 'our NHS' or the poor. But which specific policy or policies? Where do I start? How about stealing the Utility companies and railways and not paying for them? Or the nationalisation of 10% of all companies with 350 employees or more, both will result in Capital leaving the UK plus investment will dry up. Why should a large company open up or expand in the UK when they will instantly lose 10% of the investments value? I used an example earlier in the thread, and was met with silence, so here it is agin. BMW plant in Swindon. Under Labour do BMW have to hand over 10% of their total worth or just 10% of the Swindon plant? Whatever way it works the Accountants at BMW will advise their Board that they either lose 10% of the value, or move it outside of the UK and keep 100%! What do you think BMW will do? Extrapolate that across the UK and I think a lot of multi-national companies will move abroad, resulting in huge job losses in the UK. It ain't rocket science. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 16:05:44 GMT
But which specific policy or policies? Where do I start? How about stealing the Utility companies and railways and not paying for them? Or the nationalisation of 10% of all companies with 350 employees or more, both will result in Capital leaving the UK plus investment will dry up. Why should a large company open up or expand in the UK when they will instantly lose 10% of the investments value? I used an example earlier in the thread, and was met with silence, so here it is agin. BMW plant in Swindon. Under Labour do BMW have to hand over 10% of their total worth or just 10% of the Swindon plant? Whatever way it works the Accountants at BMW will advise their Board that they either lose 10% of the value, or move it outside of the UK and keep 100%! What do you think BMW will do? Extrapolate that across the UK and I think a lot of multi-national companies will move abroad, resulting in huge job losses in the UK. It ain't rocket science. Yeah, I get that, why you wouldn't vote Labour. What I am interested in is the policies the Tories have that persuade you to vote for them? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 20:26:13 GMT
Where do I start? How about stealing the Utility companies and railways and not paying for them? Or the nationalisation of 10% of all companies with 350 employees or more, both will result in Capital leaving the UK plus investment will dry up. Why should a large company open up or expand in the UK when they will instantly lose 10% of the investments value? I used an example earlier in the thread, and was met with silence, so here it is agin. BMW plant in Swindon. Under Labour do BMW have to hand over 10% of their total worth or just 10% of the Swindon plant? Whatever way it works the Accountants at BMW will advise their Board that they either lose 10% of the value, or move it outside of the UK and keep 100%! What do you think BMW will do? Extrapolate that across the UK and I think a lot of multi-national companies will move abroad, resulting in huge job losses in the UK. It ain't rocket science. Yeah, I get that, why you wouldn't vote Labour. What I am interested in is the policies the Tories have that persuade you to vote for them? The Tories haven't produced any fantastic policies, but the Labour policies WILL crash the economy. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 20:55:23 GMT
Yeah, I get that, why you wouldn't vote Labour. What I am interested in is the policies the Tories have that persuade you to vote for them? The Tories haven't produced any fantastic policies, but the Labour policies WILL crash the economy. So, in effect, you are not voting FOR anything, but voting AGAINST something? |
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Post by yetigas on Dec 3, 2019 11:06:34 GMT
How anyone can contemplate voting for the Tories led by Johnson is beyond me. His party has destroyed Britain since 2010 - lurching between incompetence and extreme right wing policies. To cap it all the whole Brexit debacle was instigated by Cameron to sort out his party and NOTHING to do with the national interest. Now we have the most untrustworthy leader of the Tories I can remember in my lifetime - and that's quite an achievement. The man can't open his mouth without spewing lies in every other sentence. Jumping into bed with Trump is a desperate measure to try and get some credibility after he takes us out of Europe - so if anyone genuinely feels we are better off being tied to the USA (for which read under the thumb of the US president) than being in EU then you are, with the greatest of respect, deluded. Apparently the British people are to be thanked for their resilience under the Tories totally unnecessary austerity policies. Well thank you Tories, I don't need your thanks - neither do those who have to rely on foodbanks and homeless shelters. And for those of you who seem to think Jeremy Corbyn's policies will crash the economy (I've read a few but don't have time to read 64 pages - too depressing) similar policies seem to be working pretty well in other countries like Sweden - but there again in Sweden I guess their leaders don't get to be called Marxists because they dare to support the 'have nots' of society. I long for the day when we can have a just society in this country rather than the Tories toxic politics of austerity and hate - but it seems we have a long, long way to go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 11:13:04 GMT
How anyone can contemplate voting for the Tories led by Johnson is beyond me. His party has destroyed Britain since 2010 - lurching between incompetence and extreme right wing policies. To cap it all the whole Brexit debacle was instigated by Cameron to sort out his party and NOTHING to do with the national interest. Now we have the most untrustworthy leader of the Tories I can remember in my lifetime - and that's quite an achievement. The man can't open his mouth without spewing lies in every other sentence. Jumping into bed with Trump is a desperate measure to try and get some credibility after he takes us out of Europe - so if anyone genuinely feels we are better off being tied to the USA (for which read under the thumb of the US president) than being in EU then you are, with the greatest of respect, deluded. Apparently the British people are to be thanked for their resilience under the Tories totally unnecessary austerity policies. Well thank you Tories, I don't need your thanks - neither do those who have to rely on foodbanks and homeless shelters. And for those of you who seem to think Jeremy Corbyn's policies will crash the economy (I've read a few but don't have time to read 64 pages - too depressing) similar policies seem to be working pretty well in other countries like Sweden - but there again in Sweden I guess their leaders don't get to be called Marxists because they dare to support the 'have nots' of society. I long for the day when we can have a just society in this country rather than the Tories toxic politics of austerity and hate - but it seems we have a long, long way to go. Christ!! Although I dont support Corbyn's nationalisation prospectus nor the female pension gap provision, well said Yeti. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 14:09:42 GMT
How anyone can contemplate voting for the Tories led by Johnson is beyond me. His party has destroyed Britain since 2010 - lurching between incompetence and extreme right wing policies. To cap it all the whole Brexit debacle was instigated by Cameron to sort out his party and NOTHING to do with the national interest. Now we have the most untrustworthy leader of the Tories I can remember in my lifetime - and that's quite an achievement. The man can't open his mouth without spewing lies in every other sentence. Jumping into bed with Trump is a desperate measure to try and get some credibility after he takes us out of Europe - so if anyone genuinely feels we are better off being tied to the USA (for which read under the thumb of the US president) than being in EU then you are, with the greatest of respect, deluded. Apparently the British people are to be thanked for their resilience under the Tories totally unnecessary austerity policies. Well thank you Tories, I don't need your thanks - neither do those who have to rely on foodbanks and homeless shelters. And for those of you who seem to think Jeremy Corbyn's policies will crash the economy (I've read a few but don't have time to read 64 pages - too depressing) similar policies seem to be working pretty well in other countries like Sweden - but there again in Sweden I guess their leaders don't get to be called Marxists because they dare to support the 'have nots' of society. I long for the day when we can have a just society in this country rather than the Tories toxic politics of austerity and hate - but it seems we have a long, long way to go. How anyone could contemplate voting for a Jew hating friend of terrorists is beyond me. Each to their own. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 14:45:40 GMT
How anyone can contemplate voting for the Tories led by Johnson is beyond me. His party has destroyed Britain since 2010 - lurching between incompetence and extreme right wing policies. To cap it all the whole Brexit debacle was instigated by Cameron to sort out his party and NOTHING to do with the national interest. Now we have the most untrustworthy leader of the Tories I can remember in my lifetime - and that's quite an achievement. The man can't open his mouth without spewing lies in every other sentence. Jumping into bed with Trump is a desperate measure to try and get some credibility after he takes us out of Europe - so if anyone genuinely feels we are better off being tied to the USA (for which read under the thumb of the US president) than being in EU then you are, with the greatest of respect, deluded. Apparently the British people are to be thanked for their resilience under the Tories totally unnecessary austerity policies. Well thank you Tories, I don't need your thanks - neither do those who have to rely on foodbanks and homeless shelters. And for those of you who seem to think Jeremy Corbyn's policies will crash the economy (I've read a few but don't have time to read 64 pages - too depressing) similar policies seem to be working pretty well in other countries like Sweden - but there again in Sweden I guess their leaders don't get to be called Marxists because they dare to support the 'have nots' of society. I long for the day when we can have a just society in this country rather than the Tories toxic politics of austerity and hate - but it seems we have a long, long way to go. How anyone could contemplate voting for a Jew hating friend of terrorists is beyond me. Each to their own. Daily Express anyone? 🤣 170,000 kids living in temporary accommodation this Christmas? No problem, Vote Tory |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 15:15:51 GMT
How anyone could contemplate voting for a Jew hating friend of terrorists is beyond me. Each to their own. Daily Express anyone? 🤣 170,000 kids living in temporary accommodation this Christmas? No problem, Vote Tory In for a penny, in for a pound....... Realistically, you cannot blame Government for *170,000 kids living in temporary accommodation. You have to ask questions of the parents ! Maybe the government (and taxpayers) should be applauded for actually supplying them with temporary accommodation? If left to the feckless parents the poor kids may have ended up on the streets ? *I've no idea if that figure is true by the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 15:27:47 GMT
How anyone can contemplate voting for the Tories led by Johnson is beyond me. His party has destroyed Britain since 2010 - lurching between incompetence and extreme right wing policies. To cap it all the whole Brexit debacle was instigated by Cameron to sort out his party and NOTHING to do with the national interest. Now we have the most untrustworthy leader of the Tories I can remember in my lifetime - and that's quite an achievement. The man can't open his mouth without spewing lies in every other sentence. Jumping into bed with Trump is a desperate measure to try and get some credibility after he takes us out of Europe - so if anyone genuinely feels we are better off being tied to the USA (for which read under the thumb of the US president) than being in EU then you are, with the greatest of respect, deluded. Apparently the British people are to be thanked for their resilience under the Tories totally unnecessary austerity policies. Well thank you Tories, I don't need your thanks - neither do those who have to rely on foodbanks and homeless shelters. And for those of you who seem to think Jeremy Corbyn's policies will crash the economy (I've read a few but don't have time to read 64 pages - too depressing) similar policies seem to be working pretty well in other countries like Sweden - but there again in Sweden I guess their leaders don't get to be called Marxists because they dare to support the 'have nots' of society. I long for the day when we can have a just society in this country rather than the Tories toxic politics of austerity and hate - but it seems we have a long, long way to go. Are you old enough to remember when a Labour Government had to go to the IMF for a loan because they had bankrupt the country? Denis Healey was the Chancellor. One of the requirements of the IMF giving that loan was that the Labour Government had to make swinging cuts in spending. Nowadays we'd call it Austerity. It's what you have to do when you have blown the national credit card. When the Tories took over in 2010, Labour had once again blown the national credit card ! As for hate, I see most of that being generated by the left-wing. Extreme right policies? You are having a laugh. There never has, nor most likely never will be, an extreme right wing government in the UK. That is pure sixth-form student talk. Sweden? Have you been there in the last couple of years? It's not the Utopia you seem to think it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 15:36:48 GMT
How anyone can contemplate voting for the Tories led by Johnson is beyond me. His party has destroyed Britain since 2010 - lurching between incompetence and extreme right wing policies. To cap it all the whole Brexit debacle was instigated by Cameron to sort out his party and NOTHING to do with the national interest. Now we have the most untrustworthy leader of the Tories I can remember in my lifetime - and that's quite an achievement. The man can't open his mouth without spewing lies in every other sentence. Jumping into bed with Trump is a desperate measure to try and get some credibility after he takes us out of Europe - so if anyone genuinely feels we are better off being tied to the USA (for which read under the thumb of the US president) than being in EU then you are, with the greatest of respect, deluded. Apparently the British people are to be thanked for their resilience under the Tories totally unnecessary austerity policies. Well thank you Tories, I don't need your thanks - neither do those who have to rely on foodbanks and homeless shelters. And for those of you who seem to think Jeremy Corbyn's policies will crash the economy (I've read a few but don't have time to read 64 pages - too depressing) similar policies seem to be working pretty well in other countries like Sweden - but there again in Sweden I guess their leaders don't get to be called Marxists because they dare to support the 'have nots' of society. I long for the day when we can have a just society in this country rather than the Tories toxic politics of austerity and hate - but it seems we have a long, long way to go. Are you old enough to remember when a Labour Government had to go to the IMF for a loan because they had bankrupt the country? Denis Healey was the Chancellor. One of the requirements of the IMF giving that loan was that the Labour Government had to make swinging cuts in spending. Nowadays we'd call it Austerity. It's what you have to do when you have blown the national credit card. When the Tories took over in 2010, Labour had once again blown the national credit card ! As for hate, I see most of that being generated by the left-wing. Extreme right policies? You are having a laugh. There never has, nor most likely never will be, an extreme right wing government in the UK. That is pure sixth-form student talk. Sweden? Have you been there in the last couple of years? It's not the Utopia you seem to think it is. False narrative on every level. You cannot rewrite history to suite a viewpoint (unless your name is Johnson when it is de-rigueur.) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 15:38:58 GMT
Are you old enough to remember when a Labour Government had to go to the IMF for a loan because they had bankrupt the country? Denis Healey was the Chancellor. One of the requirements of the IMF giving that loan was that the Labour Government had to make swinging cuts in spending. Nowadays we'd call it Austerity. It's what you have to do when you have blown the national credit card. When the Tories took over in 2010, Labour had once again blown the national credit card ! As for hate, I see most of that being generated by the left-wing. Extreme right policies? You are having a laugh. There never has, nor most likely never will be, an extreme right wing government in the UK. That is pure sixth-form student talk. Sweden? Have you been there in the last couple of years? It's not the Utopia you seem to think it is. False narrative on every level. You cannot rewrite history to suite a viewpoint (unless your name is Johnson when it is de-rigueur. Who is re-writing history? False on every level? Are you serious? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 15:58:41 GMT
False narrative on every level. You cannot rewrite history to suite a viewpoint (unless your name is Johnson when it is de-rigueur. Who is re-writing history? False on every level? Are you serious? Point 1. 2008. Had nothing to do with Government spending. At the onset debt to GDP was 47%, same as 1997. It was fraud and water poor banking regulation that led to government bailing out the banks with borrowed money. That was about done by 2010, apart from quantitative easing. Debt at that point had risen to £1trillion. After nine years of Tory economic genius and no crash, what is it now?...circa £2 trillion...go figure. Point 2 1976. That fiasco started in 1972 with a disastrously inflationary budget set by another Tory genius, Anthony Barber. Do you remember what the interest rate rose to as a result? Add in the social policies of the other Tory genius, Ted Heath, 3 day weeks and the country was on its knees (still paying off WW2 debt) Healy & Co tried to inflate their way out of the mess.....which was stupid. Its alright the next Tory genius sorted it, when in doubt make everyone u employed. Next... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 3, 2019 15:58:54 GMT
How anyone can contemplate voting for the Tories led by Johnson is beyond me. His party has destroyed Britain since 2010 - lurching between incompetence and extreme right wing policies. To cap it all the whole Brexit debacle was instigated by Cameron to sort out his party and NOTHING to do with the national interest. Now we have the most untrustworthy leader of the Tories I can remember in my lifetime - and that's quite an achievement. The man can't open his mouth without spewing lies in every other sentence. Jumping into bed with Trump is a desperate measure to try and get some credibility after he takes us out of Europe - so if anyone genuinely feels we are better off being tied to the USA (for which read under the thumb of the US president) than being in EU then you are, with the greatest of respect, deluded. Apparently the British people are to be thanked for their resilience under the Tories totally unnecessary austerity policies. Well thank you Tories, I don't need your thanks - neither do those who have to rely on foodbanks and homeless shelters. And for those of you who seem to think Jeremy Corbyn's policies will crash the economy (I've read a few but don't have time to read 64 pages - too depressing) similar policies seem to be working pretty well in other countries like Sweden - but there again in Sweden I guess their leaders don't get to be called Marxists because they dare to support the 'have nots' of society. I long for the day when we can have a just society in this country rather than the Tories toxic politics of austerity and hate - but it seems we have a long, long way to go. How anyone could contemplate voting for a Jew hating friend of terrorists is beyond me. Each to their own. Trust me, I won't be voting FOR jew hater and friend of terrorists, I dislike him and what he stands for. However, people are hurting so I shall be holding my nose and voting to end austerity and in my opinion, for a better Brexit. I will be votimg tactically to engineer a short term coalition. JC won't last 18 months to 2 years. The best part of 10 years and BJ's style have driven me to do this, I don't like it but have little choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 16:06:56 GMT
How anyone could contemplate voting for a Jew hating friend of terrorists is beyond me. Each to their own. Trust me, I won't be voting FOR jew hater and friend of terrorists, I dislike him and what he stands for. However, people are hurting so I shall be holding my nose and voting to end austerity and in my opinion, for a better Brexit. I will be votimg tactically to engineer a short term coalition. JC won't last 18 months to 2 years. The best part of 10 years and BJ's style have driven me to do this, I don't like it but have little choice. If Corbyn were to get in and bankrupt the country is the vote for his big spending now also a vote for the biggest period of austerity known to man in around five years time? BTW is your tactical vote likely to have any influence in your constituency? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 3, 2019 16:29:36 GMT
Trust me, I won't be voting FOR jew hater and friend of terrorists, I dislike him and what he stands for. However, people are hurting so I shall be holding my nose and voting to end austerity and in my opinion, for a better Brexit. I will be votimg tactically to engineer a short term coalition. JC won't last 18 months to 2 years. The best part of 10 years and BJ's style have driven me to do this, I don't like it but have little choice. If Corbyn were to get in and bankrupt the country is the vote for his big spending now also a vote for the biggest period of austerity known to man in around five years time? BTW is your tactical vote likely to have any influence in your constituency? Bankrupt the country! Antisemitism! Venezuela! I dont believe any of it. Not a word. Standard Tory lies and scare tactics and they have plenty of form on that. How anyone could trust a single word from any of them literally beggars belief. Eric what's the difference between antisemitism and antizionism? Just out of interest, like. I'll leave you with your own words. 'The biggest period of austerity known to man in around 5 years time' Just think of that. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 3, 2019 16:30:18 GMT
Trust me, I won't be voting FOR jew hater and friend of terrorists, I dislike him and what he stands for. However, people are hurting so I shall be holding my nose and voting to end austerity and in my opinion, for a better Brexit. I will be votimg tactically to engineer a short term coalition. JC won't last 18 months to 2 years. The best part of 10 years and BJ's style have driven me to do this, I don't like it but have little choice. If Corbyn were to get in and bankrupt the country is the vote for his big spending now also a vote for the biggest period of austerity known to man in around five years time? BTW is your tactical vote likely to have any influence in your constituency? In my opinion he would only get in with a coalition which will restrain some of the extreme spending promises, as will time which will be shorter than a majority government would have, so he won't bankrupt the country in the way you may fear. As for my constituency, yes it may. Jack Lopresti's constituency which has Labour in second place so 'loaning' my vote may help if others do too. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 3, 2019 16:32:02 GMT
If Corbyn were to get in and bankrupt the country is the vote for his big spending now also a vote for the biggest period of austerity known to man in around five years time? BTW is your tactical vote likely to have any influence in your constituency? In my opinion he would only get in with a coalition which will restrain some of the extreme spending promises, as will time which will be shorter than a majority government would have, so he won't bankrupt the country in the way you may fear. As for my constituency, yes it may. Jack Lopresti's constituency which has Labour in second place so 'loaning' my vote may help if others do too. Good on you Stuart. Me and my colleagues thank you for your foresight. |
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