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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 0:05:32 GMT
Yes, for you- but not for the Tory party which is happy to count her amongst their ranks as a councillor. So Tories throwing stones at Corbyn is undermined somewhat when their party is happy to still have someone associated with all of that as an employee of theirs. What we need now is for Guido Fawkes to do a video where he tells Tories that Corbyn said “I agree with the shooting of British soldiers and believe that the more who are killed the better” and then do the shock reveal where you tell them it was actually one of their councillors. I wonder how they would react? Same reaction as me I’d imagine - wouldn’t want anyone like that in the party. Just a good job she hasn’t worked her way up to party leadership and potential to become pm, now that would be embarrassing. Luckily the party has more class than to allow a terrorist sympathiser to become their leader - unlike certain others!!! Sorry mate but they are as bad in their own way for having an odious character like Johnson in charge of them. The likes of you or I would get the sack pronto if we came out with the vile comments that Johnson has, and yet he’s held up as being fit for the highest role in the land! No-one has any moral high ground at all when it comes to the conduct of their leaders, to the point where if you wanted to vote the for squeaky clean one you would end up staying at home on polling day. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 7:44:38 GMT
As someone who has been in that situation more times than I care to remember, and most likely will again this winter, it is not something to be humouring someone about. Nobby is desperately trying to discredit reports of the sad state of that NHS children's hospital, even questioning the clinical decision making from behind an accountancy desk in Germany. I wouldnt pay much attention to it Stuart. We know the truth. I am not trying to discredit anything. I'm just saying that it is important to keep a sense of perspective, and the knee-jerk reaction I am seeing from people like you just demonstrates how things have gone wrong within the media. The PM (any PM) is not responsible for every single person who enters A&E. To even attempt to lay the blame at his door is pretty immature and petty. It's about time more people used some common sense. All Trusts are managed differently. Why on earth would I be sat behind an Accountants desk? Do you know the truth about this case Officer? or is your reaction yet another one of 'outrage' over a story that is just used to whip up the gullible? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 7:45:52 GMT
I am humouring you. Why does anyone think this is the PM's responsibility when that falls on the Trust? As someone who has been in that situation more times than I care to remember, and most likely will again this winter, it is not something to be humouring someone about. Sorry Stuart, but you'll find it was the good Officer who wanted to be humoured. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 7:52:57 GMT
So his GP sent him to A&E when all he had was the flu?.....on a Saturday night. And if the GP had not and the child subsequently died of Sepsis, or actually Meningitis was the risk? Are you actually suggesting the GP should have risked it? Or even more unbelievably, suggest we cannot take care of our kids on a Saturday night?? FFS Did the child see a GP before going to A&E? Your talk of Sepsis and Meningitis is alarming as surely a GP would have been able to recognise these things? I mentioned a Saturday night as we are all aware it's virtually impossible to see a GP on a Saturday night. So, apart from the childish knee-jerk emotional reactions you are all displaying on here, just what is the REAL story? |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 10, 2019 7:56:43 GMT
It's hard to believe isn't it. I see Peston has had to apologise for tweeting info fed to him by 'Tory sources'. This campaign is awful in the distraction and disinformation, George Orwell was ahead of his time. @peston It is completely clear from video footage that @matthancock's adviser was not whacked by a protestor, as I was told by senior Tories, but that he inadvertently walked into a protestor's hand. I apologise for getting this wrong. 6:06 pm · 9 Dec 2019 was a story given to all the Political Editors. Laura Kuenssberg has also issued an apology over the story |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 10, 2019 8:00:20 GMT
And if the GP had not and the child subsequently died of Sepsis, or actually Meningitis was the risk? Are you actually suggesting the GP should have risked it? Or even more unbelievably, suggest we cannot take care of our kids on a Saturday night?? FFS Did the child see a GP before going to A&E? Your talk of Sepsis and Meningitis is alarming as surely a GP would have been able to recognise these things? I mentioned a Saturday night as we are all aware it's virtually impossible to see a GP on a Saturday night. So, apart from the childish knee-jerk emotional reactions you are all displaying on here, just what is the REAL story? The teaching mentor said: “Jack had been very unwell for six days. He was vomiting, had diarrhoea and a fever and was coughing.
"We had been to the GP once and they thought it was virus.”
But when Jack did not improve and was refusing to eat, Sarah returned to the surgery, where the doctor called an ambulance, fearing he had pneumonia.
My Mum has had a Pneumonia and guess what she was taking to a hospital in ambulance on a Friday night after being treated by paramedics in my fathers house
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 10, 2019 8:37:44 GMT
And if the GP had not and the child subsequently died of Sepsis, or actually Meningitis was the risk? Are you actually suggesting the GP should have risked it? Or even more unbelievably, suggest we cannot take care of our kids on a Saturday night?? FFS Did the child see a GP before going to A&E? Your talk of Sepsis and Meningitis is alarming as surely a GP would have been able to recognise these things? I mentioned a Saturday night as we are all aware it's virtually impossible to see a GP on a Saturday night. So, apart from the childish knee-jerk emotional reactions you are all displaying on here, just what is the REAL story? Both need tests done which require blood taken and on site facilities so a hospital visit is necessary. As for a GP appointment, we've often been triaged by 111 and referred to an out of hours GP. Sometimes the GP will then refer us to the Children's hospital, sometimes 111 will send us straight there. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 10, 2019 8:40:36 GMT
I see Peston has had to apologise for tweeting info fed to him by 'Tory sources'. This campaign is awful in the distraction and disinformation, George Orwell was ahead of his time. @peston It is completely clear from video footage that @matthancock's adviser was not whacked by a protestor, as I was told by senior Tories, but that he inadvertently walked into a protestor's hand. I apologise for getting this wrong. 6:06 pm · 9 Dec 2019 was a story given to all the Political Editors. Laura Kuenssberg has also issued an apology over the story My view on Peston and LK in particular have been far more sceptical over the last year or so. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 8:58:24 GMT
Did the child see a GP before going to A&E? Your talk of Sepsis and Meningitis is alarming as surely a GP would have been able to recognise these things? I mentioned a Saturday night as we are all aware it's virtually impossible to see a GP on a Saturday night. So, apart from the childish knee-jerk emotional reactions you are all displaying on here, just what is the REAL story? Both need tests done which require blood taken and on site facilities so a hospital visit is necessary. As for a GP appointment, we've often been triaged by 111 and referred to an out of hours GP. Sometimes the GP will then refer us to the Children's hospital, sometimes 111 will send us straight there. As I keep saying Stuart, the full story over this incident hasn't come out yet, and this emotional knee-jerk reaction displayed by the media, and some on here, does not do anything but stir up resentment, bitterness and hatred and it's all totally unnecessary. Too many people flare up over fake news. Look at the reaction a few days ago when Channel 4 changed the words that Johnson used from 'talent' to 'colour'! Instantly, people on here were outraged, calling Johnson all sorts of names. When it was quickly established that Channel 4 had made up the story only silence ensued but the damage was done. It's about time a more mature attitude was adopted over sensationalist stories. |
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Post by yetigas on Dec 10, 2019 9:05:38 GMT
Just for the record, I am not defending benefit cheats. Its just very strange that the tabloids are quick to pounce on 'scroungers' when those who evade tax are left well alone by the media. Its like there's some kind of respect for those who 'get away with it' by not paying tax. But my real point is that the amount we lose in benefit fraud (about £2 billion per year) is very small compared to tax evasion (about £35 billion per year) - so makes more financial sense to put more resources into chasing the tax evaders. In case you want a source: fullfact.org/online/comparing-benefit-and-tax-fraud/Is that £35 billion quote 100% due to illegal tax evasion or just a headline grabbing figure? Whether it’s a correct figure or not any money that HMRC and the taxpayer are deprived of should be hunted down. Any that is lost through perfectly legal avoidance schemes needs to be addressed by government whoever that may be. Does anyone think tax avoidance only came in to being when the conservatives came to government. Amazing how they got away with introducing such schemes when the previous labour government had closed every single tax loophole! As for the £2 billion from benefit fraud how many nurses and doctors could you get for that? I keep hearing about Tory austerity but at the same time there seems no appetite to stop the public purse bleeding billions of pounds. The left may not want to believe benefit fraud happens but it obviously does and it is costing us billions which we cannot afford to just brush under the carpet because of political beliefs. Eric, the reference I gave you answers the question that you ask. My point is that you can employ a lot more nurses and doctors (to use your example) from the 35 billion not being collected in tax than you can from 2 billion from benefit cheats. Ideally you would stop both, but strategically it would make a lot more sense to chase those evading tax. Right? |
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Post by yetigas on Dec 10, 2019 9:07:21 GMT
Both need tests done which require blood taken and on site facilities so a hospital visit is necessary. As for a GP appointment, we've often been triaged by 111 and referred to an out of hours GP. Sometimes the GP will then refer us to the Children's hospital, sometimes 111 will send us straight there. As I keep saying Stuart, the full story over this incident hasn't come out yet, and this emotional knee-jerk reaction displayed by the media, and some on here, does not do anything but stir up resentment, bitterness and hatred and it's all totally unnecessary. Too many people flare up over fake news. Look at the reaction a few days ago when Channel 4 changed the words that Johnson used from 'talent' to 'colour'! Instantly, people on here were outraged, calling Johnson all sorts of names. When it was quickly established that Channel 4 had made up the story only silence ensued but the damage was done. It's about time a more mature attitude was adopted over sensationalist stories. Its about time Liar Johnson has a more mature attitude toward the British people |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 9:10:20 GMT
Is that £35 billion quote 100% due to illegal tax evasion or just a headline grabbing figure? Whether it’s a correct figure or not any money that HMRC and the taxpayer are deprived of should be hunted down. Any that is lost through perfectly legal avoidance schemes needs to be addressed by government whoever that may be. Does anyone think tax avoidance only came in to being when the conservatives came to government. Amazing how they got away with introducing such schemes when the previous labour government had closed every single tax loophole! As for the £2 billion from benefit fraud how many nurses and doctors could you get for that? I keep hearing about Tory austerity but at the same time there seems no appetite to stop the public purse bleeding billions of pounds. The left may not want to believe benefit fraud happens but it obviously does and it is costing us billions which we cannot afford to just brush under the carpet because of political beliefs. Eric, the reference I gave you answers the question that you ask. My point is that you can employ a lot more nurses and doctors (to use your example) from the 35 billion not being collected in tax than you can from 2 billion from benefit cheats. Ideally you would stop both, but strategically it would make a lot more sense to chase those evading tax. Right? Hang on. This 35 billion figure. That is not the figure being trawled by Richard Murphy is it? If so, that has been totally discredited. HMRC employs about 26,000 people. I think that amongst that lot there are a fair few chasing tax evaders. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 9:11:30 GMT
As I keep saying Stuart, the full story over this incident hasn't come out yet, and this emotional knee-jerk reaction displayed by the media, and some on here, does not do anything but stir up resentment, bitterness and hatred and it's all totally unnecessary. Too many people flare up over fake news. Look at the reaction a few days ago when Channel 4 changed the words that Johnson used from 'talent' to 'colour'! Instantly, people on here were outraged, calling Johnson all sorts of names. When it was quickly established that Channel 4 had made up the story only silence ensued but the damage was done. It's about time a more mature attitude was adopted over sensationalist stories. Its about time Liar Johnson has a more mature attitude toward the British people Since when did he change his name to 'Liar'? |
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Post by yetigas on Dec 10, 2019 9:12:04 GMT
benefits cheats. You seem to think the country is riddled with it so how many get prosecuted? If the post on here was correct and £2billion is lost then we clearly have a problem. You will know better than me how many medical professionals could be trained and employed with that amount of money or how many vital pieces of equipment could be purchased so we shouldn’t make light of it. We keep getting told about NHS under funding by the Tories but little gets mentioned by the left in respect of how much money we waste that could be redirected to the NHS. That £2bn figure would presumably only take into account those caught, many thousands of others will be getting away with disability benefit fraud and thousands more making a lifestyle choices not to work. On a slight tangent, out of interest as a member of the NHS do you have any idea how much money disappears out of the NHS with compensation claims. I hate seeing ambulance chasing lawyers with their tv adverts encouraging people to sue the NHS. No...it doesnt only include those caught - read the link I gave you. You missed the point entirely (perhaps deliberately?). There is £34 billion in uncollected taxes. THAT is the real scandal. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 9:12:53 GMT
Both need tests done which require blood taken and on site facilities so a hospital visit is necessary. As for a GP appointment, we've often been triaged by 111 and referred to an out of hours GP. Sometimes the GP will then refer us to the Children's hospital, sometimes 111 will send us straight there. As I keep saying Stuart, the full story over this incident hasn't come out yet, and this emotional knee-jerk reaction displayed by the media, and some on here, does not do anything but stir up resentment, bitterness and hatred and it's all totally unnecessary. Too many people flare up over fake news. Look at the reaction a few days ago when Channel 4 changed the words that Johnson used from 'talent' to 'colour'! Instantly, people on here were outraged, calling Johnson all sorts of names. When it was quickly established that Channel 4 had made up the story only silence ensued but the damage was done. It's about time a more mature attitude was adopted over sensationalist stories. Expanding on this, can you all remember when Corbyn was pictured sitting on the floor of a train and complaining about overcrowding? It turned out that there were many empty seats he could have used, but a story needed to be manufactured. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 9:14:00 GMT
If the post on here was correct and £2billion is lost then we clearly have a problem. You will know better than me how many medical professionals could be trained and employed with that amount of money or how many vital pieces of equipment could be purchased so we shouldn’t make light of it. We keep getting told about NHS under funding by the Tories but little gets mentioned by the left in respect of how much money we waste that could be redirected to the NHS. That £2bn figure would presumably only take into account those caught, many thousands of others will be getting away with disability benefit fraud and thousands more making a lifestyle choices not to work. On a slight tangent, out of interest as a member of the NHS do you have any idea how much money disappears out of the NHS with compensation claims. I hate seeing ambulance chasing lawyers with their tv adverts encouraging people to sue the NHS. No...it doesnt only include those caught - read the link I gave you. You missed the point entirely (perhaps deliberately?). There is £34 billion in uncollected taxes. THAT is the real scandal. Where does this figure of 34 billion come from? Can you show us? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 10, 2019 9:16:52 GMT
Both need tests done which require blood taken and on site facilities so a hospital visit is necessary. As for a GP appointment, we've often been triaged by 111 and referred to an out of hours GP. Sometimes the GP will then refer us to the Children's hospital, sometimes 111 will send us straight there. As I keep saying Stuart, the full story over this incident hasn't come out yet, and this emotional knee-jerk reaction displayed by the media, and some on here, does not do anything but stir up resentment, bitterness and hatred and it's all totally unnecessary. Too many people flare up over fake news. Look at the reaction a few days ago when Channel 4 changed the words that Johnson used from 'talent' to 'colour'! Instantly, people on here were outraged, calling Johnson all sorts of names. When it was quickly established that Channel 4 had made up the story only silence ensued but the damage was done. It's about time a more mature attitude was adopted over sensationalist stories. The circumstances of the boy is pretty immaterial, these things happen as I have seen them myself. The issue is his reaction, he deigned to look at the picture and took the reporter's phone presumably to avoid looking at it. He apologised belatedly. I don't really care about him taking responsibility, it was the politician first attitude trying to hide from scrutiny that came to the fore. How about him being a decent human being an showing some humanity? |
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Post by yetigas on Dec 10, 2019 9:17:33 GMT
Eric, the reference I gave you answers the question that you ask. My point is that you can employ a lot more nurses and doctors (to use your example) from the 35 billion not being collected in tax than you can from 2 billion from benefit cheats. Ideally you would stop both, but strategically it would make a lot more sense to chase those evading tax. Right? Hang on. This 35 billion figure. That is not the figure being trawled by Richard Murphy is it? If so, that has been totally discredited. HMRC employs about 26,000 people. I think that amongst that lot there are a fair few chasing tax evaders. No Nobby. The figure of 35 billion comes from HMRC. fullfact.org/online/comparing-benefit-and-tax-fraud/ |
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Post by yetigas on Dec 10, 2019 9:18:38 GMT
No...it doesnt only include those caught - read the link I gave you. You missed the point entirely (perhaps deliberately?). There is £34 billion in uncollected taxes. THAT is the real scandal. Where does this figure of 34 billion come from? Can you show us? here fullfact.org/online/comparing-benefit-and-tax-fraud/ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 9:23:15 GMT
As I keep saying Stuart, the full story over this incident hasn't come out yet, and this emotional knee-jerk reaction displayed by the media, and some on here, does not do anything but stir up resentment, bitterness and hatred and it's all totally unnecessary. Too many people flare up over fake news. Look at the reaction a few days ago when Channel 4 changed the words that Johnson used from 'talent' to 'colour'! Instantly, people on here were outraged, calling Johnson all sorts of names. When it was quickly established that Channel 4 had made up the story only silence ensued but the damage was done. It's about time a more mature attitude was adopted over sensationalist stories. The circumstancez of the boy is pretty immaterial, these things happen as I have seen them myself. The issue is his reaction, he deigned to look at the picture and took the reporter's phone presumably to avoid looking at it. He apologised belatedly. I don't really care about him taking responsibility, it was the politician first attitude trying to hide from scrutiny that came to the fore. How about being a decent human being an showing some humanity? He was apologising during the interview, but once again, what do you expect him to do? He is the PM and has no say in the running of any single A&E department in the country. In fact, in every NHS Trust in the country there are people earning more money than he does! Why question the PM over this when it is the Trust of that hospital who should be dragged out and asked questions of? They are the ones running this A&E department yet they get away with it every time. |
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