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Post by Dirt Dogg on Nov 21, 2019 15:32:37 GMT
Marxist lefty clap trap that will result in the end of football in this country and will collapse the economy. Germany have a similar system and it works well for supporters. |
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Post by axegas on Nov 21, 2019 15:39:39 GMT
Marxist lefty clap trap that will result in the end of football in this country and will collapse the economy. Looking at the proposals Gassy has posted, they all sound rather sensible to me. Are you seriously saying you’re in favour of ticket touts ripping fans off with extortionate prices, women’s sport not being available on free to air tv and less supporter participation at a time when owners such as Steve Dale can get away with making decisions that go against the interests of the club? Leave out any preconceptions you might have about Labour and read what they have to say about this particular issue, you might be surprised. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 21, 2019 15:43:59 GMT
Marxist lefty clap trap that will result in the end of football in this country and will collapse the economy. Looking at the proposals Gassy has posted, they all sound rather sensible to me. Are you seriously saying you’re in favour of ticket touts ripping fans off with extortionate prices, women’s sport not being available on free to air tv and less supporter participation at a time when owners such as Steve Dale can get away with making decisions that go against the interests of the club? Leave your out preconceptions about Labour and read what they have to say about this particular issue, you might be surprised. Wooosh I was taking the water and getting in before all the right wing head bangers started spouting their crap 😃 Waht is funny though is within a few minutes my post was ‘liked’ by a load of those . Just proving my point that any and every policy advocated by labour is derided just because it’s from Labour. |
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Post by axegas on Nov 21, 2019 15:46:45 GMT
Looking at the proposals Gassy has posted, they all sound rather sensible to me. Are you seriously saying you’re in favour of ticket touts ripping fans off with extortionate prices, women’s sport not being available on free to air tv and less supporter participation at a time when owners such as Steve Dale can get away with making decisions that go against the interests of the club? Leave your out preconceptions about Labour and read what they have to say about this particular issue, you might be surprised. Wooosh I was taking the water and getting in before all the right wing head bangers started spouting their crap 😃 Ah ok fair enough, I apologise. Sometimes hard to detect sarcasm in written format. Seems like you’ve got a few bites. |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 21, 2019 15:53:30 GMT
I have no issue with Supporters having a voice
The actual practicalities and effectiveness of this
So If Chelsea Supporters for instance can appoint two directors what does it actually mean. As long as Roman Abrahmovich has a majority shareholding he can do what he wants
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Post by Gassy on Nov 21, 2019 15:59:22 GMT
Yeah, you know good old Man Utd, from Beijing. Because that's likely to happen  I don't really care about bots chatting - the more people in work the better, but each to their own. We'd be bankrupt? I assume you're an economist with that claim, can you show me your workings as to how and why we'd be bankrupt? Which is funny, because the Tories want to raise minimum wage it to £10.50 - I assume you're saying the same thing about them? It's funny how the same message can be viewed completely differently: And no, not give power to fans - give more power to fans. It's a big difference. More power is good, all power? Who knows? But actually, if you look at it on a meta-analysis type view, how many clubs are fan owned in the EFL? Wycombe (1st in L1), Exeter (5th in L2), Wimbledon (20th in L1) & Newport (9th in L1). So that's 4/72 EFL clubs that are fan owned and financially are doing fine, as well as doing well in their leagues/since they were reborn. So then 68/72 are privately owned, including ourselves. How many of those do you think are in debt and struggling? Yeah - let's keep the execs in, just like we did with Bolton & Bury - even ourselves - we're doing amazingly financially. I sense the OP was just being ironic? As far as fans ownership Wycombe (& Pompey last season) have sold out to the Yanks, the Dons seem to have a Lansdown type benefactor financing them and Newport don't even own their own ground, Exeter seem the only club surviving but have been stuck in League 2 for years, would we really vote for that as fans? Blimey - if you're right Topper, thats gone way over my head |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 21, 2019 16:14:54 GMT
It’s up to our footballing bodies to police. Not for the government. I’m not in favour of the government governing our sports.
If we have a problem with the way the sport is run we should stand up to the FA rather than having our government step in.
Do we really think they can do better? Parliament can barely manage our country as it is let alone adding pretty much every industry to the list.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 16:27:21 GMT
It’s up to our footballing bodies to police. Not for the government. I’m not in favour of the government governing our sports. If we have a problem with the way the sport is run we should stand up to the FA rather than having our government step in. Do we really think they can do better? Parliament can barely manage our country as it is let alone adding pretty much every industry to the list. We are at the point where it’s not like they could do worse. The premier league is like a big baby that is running around terrorising everyone else in the playground because it’s bigger than them. It needs a good smack on the arse and to be taught some manners but it’s parents (the FA) just stands there beaming and saying “it’s all just hi-jinks that he’ll grow out of!” The whole system is a load of bloated gauche excess and needs reform from outside because it’s patently incapable of it from within- as the plight of Bury has exposed. What have the FA learnt from Bury’s demise and what have they promised to do better in future? Absolutely bugger all. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 21, 2019 16:29:57 GMT
It’s up to our footballing bodies to police. Not for the government. I’m not in favour of the government governing our sports. If we have a problem with the way the sport is run we should stand up to the FA rather than having our government step in. Do we really think they can do better? Parliament can barely manage our country as it is let alone adding pretty much every industry to the list. We are at the point where it’s not like they could do worse. The premier league is like a big baby that is running around terrorising everyone else in the playground because it’s bigger than them. It needs a good smack on the arse and to be taught some manners but it’s parents (the FA) just stands there beaming and saying “it’s all just hi-jinks that he’ll grow out of!” The whole system is a load of bloated gauche excess and needs reform from outside because it’s patently incapable of it from within - as the plight of Bury has exposed. What have the FA learnt from Bury’s demise and what have they promised to do better in future? Absolutely bugger all. Sounds like parliament. Just because something is run terribly doesn’t mean it needs government sticking their oar in. They have enough to worry about as it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 16:41:43 GMT
We are at the point where it’s not like they could do worse. The premier league is like a big baby that is running around terrorising everyone else in the playground because it’s bigger than them. It needs a good smack on the arse and to be taught some manners but it’s parents (the FA) just stands there beaming and saying “it’s all just hi-jinks that he’ll grow out of!” The whole system is a load of bloated gauche excess and needs reform from outside because it’s patently incapable of it from within - as the plight of Bury has exposed. What have the FA learnt from Bury’s demise and what have they promised to do better in future? Absolutely bugger all. Sounds like parliament. Just because something is run terribly doesn’t mean it needs government sticking their oar in. They have enough to worry about as it is. It depends on the industry that is affected, football is a massive industry of great public interest, it makes more sense for government involvement in football than if, say, rugby union had a crisis of abuse of the system (actually rugby union has shown that it is very keen on taking healthy competition seriously with it’s treatment of Saracens). It actually raises an interesting point about, given the vast popularity, whether football should be seen as a private company within which several subsidiaries compete to the point where if the company is doing a poor job of ensuring a level playing field for those subsidiaries those of us on the outside should just shrug our shoulders and say “well they are a big company, they can do what they like”. Such an attitude undermines the whole ethos of competing for titles under such a structure imo. |
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Post by SleepyGas on Nov 21, 2019 18:32:21 GMT
Football doesn't need any more political involvement. What it does show me is that they don't trust the FA, Premier League or Football League either. and i don't trust a IRA Loving, Hamas supporting idiot who thinks he can grow money trees to replace the ones he cut down The talk of trust is quite outrageous coming from a Tory. Same day as they register the labourmanifesto.co.uk domain (and paying google to promote it) to push their propaganda to folks trying to search for Labour's actual manifesto on the day of launch. The same party that changed their name of their verified twitter account in order to pretend to be an authentic "FactCheck" account in order to fool people into thinking that Boris had "won" the televised Election Debate. You trust a party that published, on an official party social media account, a doctored interview of a prominent Labour MP - implying he was unable to answer a question that, in fact, he answered quite coherently. The very same party that refuses to publish a report on Russian interference with the EU Referendum until after the General Election (!!!!) You trust a Boris who makes promises he does not have the power to keep (such as delivering Brexit by 31st October). The man who said that there would be no border in the Irish sea. The man who lied to the Queen in order to prorogue parliament. Frankly I am not traditionally a Labour voter; but I will be voting tactically in this election to attempt to unseat the vile piece of work that is my local MP (Jack Leprosy - with his links to modern slavery, adultery and bullying/harassing female employees..) |
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Post by wutangkillerbees on Nov 21, 2019 19:00:26 GMT
f**k the Tories.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 21, 2019 19:01:36 GMT
Whilst some posts I agree with and some I don’t, can we keep it on topic of politics/Labour/Tories etc in football?
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Post by wutangkillerbees on Nov 21, 2019 19:11:36 GMT
Whilst some posts I agree with and some I don’t, can we keep it on topic of politics/Labour/Tories etc in football? Right you are |
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Post by pudseygas on Nov 21, 2019 19:51:35 GMT
Whilst some posts I agree with and some I don’t, can we keep it on topic of politics/Labour/Tories etc in football? Right you are Ok but f**k the Tories |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2019 20:12:47 GMT
I have no issue with Supporters having a voice The actual practicalities and effectiveness of this So If Chelsea Supporters for instance can appoint two directors what does it actually mean. As long as Roman Abrahmovich has a majority shareholding he can do what he wants Same as us when the ALQ's took over the club, we had KM & BSS on the board but it didn't seem to make any difference, KM is still on board but when did any of us last hear anything from him? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 20:24:04 GMT
I have no issue with Supporters having a voice The actual practicalities and effectiveness of this So If Chelsea Supporters for instance can appoint two directors what does it actually mean. As long as Roman Abrahmovich has a majority shareholding he can do what he wants Same as us when the ALQ's took over the club, we had KM & BSS on the board but it didn't seem to make any difference, KM is still on board but when did any of us last hear anything from him? Bit of a difference between government legislation, and a couple of blokes being on the board with no power what so ever? |
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Post by yetigas on Nov 22, 2019 0:53:54 GMT
Football doesn't need any more political involvement. What it does show me is that they don't trust the FA, Premier League or Football League either. Labour don't seem to trust anything apart from state control? |
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Post by Fetch on Nov 24, 2019 8:21:16 GMT
Give 5% of Premier League money to the Grassroots? Labour clearly know nothing about business - the premier league clubs will simply move to another country where they don't have to give 5%. Anti-bot legislation? I simply won't vote for a government that is clearly prejudice towards robots. Disgrace in this day and age. Ban zero hours contracts - £10 per hour? More Labour fantasy economics. We'd go bankrupt! We should pay all staff in pasty coupons, plus they should be proud and passionate to work for us. Give power to fans? What do we know? Let the execs keep the power, they're clearly doing a great job. Marxist rubbish! Yeah, you know good old Man Utd, from Beijing. Because that's likely to happen I don't really care about bots chatting - the more people in work the better, but each to their own. We'd be bankrupt? I assume you're an economist with that claim, can you show me your workings as to how and why we'd be bankrupt? Which is funny, because the Tories want to raise minimum wage it to £10.50 - I assume you're saying the same thing about them? It's funny how the same message can be viewed completely differently: View Attachment View AttachmentAnd no, not give power to fans - give more power to fans. It's a big difference. More power is good, all power? Who knows? But actually, if you look at it on a meta-analysis type view, how many clubs are fan owned in the EFL? Wycombe (1st in L1), Exeter (5th in L2), Wimbledon (20th in L1) & Newport (9th in L1). So that's 4/72 EFL clubs that are fan owned and financially are doing fine, as well as doing well in their leagues/since they were reborn. So then 68/72 are privately owned, including ourselves. How many of those do you think are in debt and struggling? Yeah - let's keep the execs in, just like we did with Bolton & Bury - even ourselves - we're doing amazingly financially. I think my sarcastic tone went over a lot of people’s heads here |
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Post by gasheadontour on Nov 27, 2019 14:55:38 GMT
You may have seen on the news that documents have been released of trade talks between the UK and US. It mentions sport.
"The UK (Connolly) presented. There is a significant UK appetite for US sports franchises. American Football has begun exhibition matches and a formal franchise is under consideration. Additional US sports would be welcome."
It there a "UK appetite for US sports franchises"?
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