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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 28, 2019 0:01:21 GMT
I can remember when the Tories wanted to ban anyone from going to watch football matches unless they had an ID card registered on a national database. Tories were also against UK clubs competing in Europe. Thatcher would have been happy to see the end of football as she thought it was for the working class. And now the working class vote for her party. Funny old world eh. |
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Post by canberragas69 on Nov 28, 2019 2:09:44 GMT
I get fed up with the discussions of politics on here, especially, I have to say the avatar which lauds Boris, which I think should be banned. However, given, at present, politics is one of the themes and contemporary UK politics is depressing and worrying, here is my view. The big problem in UK society, very much reflected in UK football is structured inequality, and it is getting worse. Indeed, it was a key driver of the Brexit vote, as many in deprived party of the country particularly put two fingers up to a political elite who took no notice of their concerns. I'm not a Corbyn fan, like me he is too old and has handled issues like anti-semitism very poorly. However, Johnson is a self-serving member of the social and political elite and his party has presided over a period of austerity that, in all senses, has done enormous damage. There, got that off my chest. Let's talk about the football, and remove any political avatars at least.
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Post by yaz on Nov 28, 2019 8:32:01 GMT
Football doesn't need any more political involvement. What it does show me is that they don't trust the FA, Premier League or Football League either. and i don't trust a IRA Loving, Hamas supporting idiot who thinks he can grow money trees to replace the ones he cut down I think most people in this country support the Palestinians than the racist Israeli state that is continually bullying more and more land for themselves with US support. It just helps Israel that the media in this country is so biased because of the roots of Its ownership? Anyone who criticises Israel is labelled as being anti-Semitic? Criticism against Israel and its politics is NOT a religious but a political statement. There are many Jews in this country and abroad who are critical of Israeli policies; are they anti-Semitic? Any discrimination based on colour, race, religion, gender, disability, etc. should rightly be challenged. But is it not hypocritical for eminent Israeli supporters in this country to criticise UK politicians for being anti-Semitic / racist when they themselves fully support a country that treats a large proportion of its own citizens as 3rd class by law and bullies the other people whose land they still occupy. There is no difference between Israel and apartheid South Africa; big business and media in this country continued to support the racist SA to its last few weeks. As for terrorist attacks in Europe, historically, you will find that Israel has carried out more of these than Palestinians? Interestingly, the head of the Israeli government is finally going to be charged with corruption? UTG |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 28, 2019 8:33:57 GMT
ok this really has to stop, or it will really have to go to the wastelands of General Chat.
Please.
Discussion of political parties in regard to their treatment of football (and other sports) especially in this election season, only, here, thanks.
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Post by yaz on Nov 28, 2019 8:35:59 GMT
ok this really has to stop, or it will really have to go to the wastelands of General Chat.
Please. Or the West Bank? LoL |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 28, 2019 15:42:33 GMT
Interesting, I wonder if the Tory supporters who say politics should stay out of football would suddenly change their minds... Haven’t the Tory government been saying no to this for years though? Suddenly an election comes along and they’ve changed their minds? Glad I'm not the only one to see through this. |
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Post by canberragas69 on Nov 29, 2019 3:20:25 GMT
ok this really has to stop, or it will really have to go to the wastelands of General Chat.
Please.
Discussion of political parties in regard to their treatment of football (and other sports) especially in this election season, only, here, thanks. I'm fine with this, but why are people allowed that outrageous Boris avatar. Flush them down the toilet. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Nov 29, 2019 22:46:40 GMT
Those of us who lived through the Thatcher years know the Tories wanted football to end as it was the sport where the working classes gathered and the Tories don't believe in community. Ironically, these days working class people struggle to afford match tickets. A Premier League player can cost more than it would cost to build Rovers a new stadium. Lower league football clubs shouldn't be struggling just as nobody should be without somewhere to call a home. The inequality of wealth and the lack of accountability is staggering both in football and society. The Labour policy of having a couple of elected representatives on the board of every football club is the least that fans deserve. It would help to give Rovers rep's confidence to speak aloud to raise concerns knowing they have a moral and legal backing.
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Post by miamigas on Nov 30, 2019 1:08:10 GMT
This thread...what a load of c**p. UTG!
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Post by oldgas on Nov 30, 2019 13:05:18 GMT
Labours plans for football?
Well, professional football is by its very nature elitist.
They won't like that.
I expect they'll impose quotas and then tax it out of existence.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 30, 2019 18:15:00 GMT
Those of us who lived through the Thatcher years know the Tories wanted football to end as it was the sport where the working classes gathered and the Tories don't believe in community. Ironically, these days working class people struggle to afford match tickets. A Premier League player can cost more than it would cost to build Rovers a new stadium. Lower league football clubs shouldn't be struggling just as nobody should be without somewhere to call a home. The inequality of wealth and the lack of accountability is staggering both in football and society. The Labour policy of having a couple of elected representatives on the board of every football club is the least that fans deserve. It would help to give Rovers rep's confidence to speak aloud to raise concerns knowing they have a moral and legal backing. Something of a party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour Party. An alternative view might be that the Conservative government recognised that professional football in this country was stuck in a 1960'a and 70's rut. Plagued by hooliganism and played in decrepit, crumbling and dangerous stadia. Following the wholly avoidable carnage of Heysel, Bradford and Hillsborough, and recognising the complacency evident in the FA, FL and in boardrooms across the country the government of the day took professional football by the scruff of the neck and shook it up to the extent that we now have the strongest leagues in the entire world, with very little hooligan behaviour, and played, in the main, in stadiums that are the envy of the world. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 18:26:13 GMT
This thread is simply providing a platform for posters to force their own particular political bias on everyone else.
I go on a photographic forum concerning a brand which is international,but any single post showing a political bias means the thread is instantly locked.
It works well as in fairness the move to general chat as very view bother going on there.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 30, 2019 18:30:45 GMT
This thread is simply providing a platform for posters to force their own particular political bias on everyone else. I go on a photographic forum concerning a brand which is international,but any single post showing a political bias means the thread is instantly locked. It works well as in fairness the move to general chat as very view bother going on there. If you read the title of the thread I think you might find it was submitted with the intention of stimulating political debate regarding political fluency in football. Why, it's even received a seal of approval from Antonio, so who are you to question its validity? |
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Post by aghast on Nov 30, 2019 18:33:55 GMT
What a nasty bitter thread. So much hatred and venom.
Hard to believe we're all members of the same 'club'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 19:24:29 GMT
This thread is simply providing a platform for posters to force their own particular political bias on everyone else. I go on a photographic forum concerning a brand which is international,but any single post showing a political bias means the thread is instantly locked. It works well as in fairness the move to general chat as very view bother going on there. If you read the title of the thread I think you might find it was submitted with the intention of stimulating political debate regarding political fluency in football. Why, it's even received a seal of approval from Antonio, so who are you to question its validity? Yes but the problem is posters move away from the subject and force their own particular political views on all and sundry. Many of your posts and others on here's posts are nothing to do with the subject of the thread. Why do you presume people want to hear your political views which mostly have nothing at all to do with the subject of the thread. |
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Post by canberragas69 on Nov 30, 2019 20:09:34 GMT
If you read the title of the thread I think you might find it was submitted with the intention of stimulating political debate regarding political fluency in football. Why, it's even received a seal of approval from Antonio, so who are you to question its validity? Yes but the problem is posters move away from the subject and force their own particular political views on all and sundry. Many of your posts and others on here's posts are nothing to do with the subject of the thread. Why do you presume people want to hear your political views which mostly have nothing at all to do with the subject of the thread. I totally agree, but why do we allow Henbury Gas, and others, to have that avatar. Flush him down the toilet. |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 30, 2019 20:15:07 GMT
Those of us who lived through the Thatcher years know the Tories wanted football to end as it was the sport where the working classes gathered and the Tories don't believe in community. Ironically, these days working class people struggle to afford match tickets. A Premier League player can cost more than it would cost to build Rovers a new stadium. Lower league football clubs shouldn't be struggling just as nobody should be without somewhere to call a home. The inequality of wealth and the lack of accountability is staggering both in football and society. The Labour policy of having a couple of elected representatives on the board of every football club is the least that fans deserve. It would help to give Rovers rep's confidence to speak aloud to raise concerns knowing they have a moral and legal backing. Something of a party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour Party. An alternative view might be that the Conservative government recognised that professional football in this country was stuck in a 1960'a and 70's rut. Plagued by hooliganism and played in decrepit, crumbling and dangerous stadia. Following the wholly avoidable carnage of Heysel, Bradford and Hillsborough, and recognising the complacency evident in the FA, FL and in boardrooms across the country the government of the day took professional football by the scruff of the neck and shook it up to the extent that we now have the strongest leagues in the entire world, with very little hooligan behaviour, and played, in the main, in stadiums that are the envy of the world. Both of these threads examine political influence on football from different perspectives. How on earth can you say people are pushing agendas? |
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Post by newmarketgas on Nov 30, 2019 20:20:00 GMT
Yes but the problem is posters move away from the subject and force their own particular political views on all and sundry. Many of your posts and others on here's posts are nothing to do with the subject of the thread. Why do you presume people want to hear your political views which mostly have nothing at all to do with the subject of the thread. I totally agree, but why do we allow Henbury Gas, and others, to have that avatar. Flush him down the toilet. Because the site seems to allow any and all left wing comments ? |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 30, 2019 20:43:59 GMT
Yes but the problem is posters move away from the subject and force their own particular political views on all and sundry. Many of your posts and others on here's posts are nothing to do with the subject of the thread. Why do you presume people want to hear your political views which mostly have nothing at all to do with the subject of the thread. I totally agree, but why do we allow Henbury Gas, and others, to have that avatar. Flush him down the toilet. đź‘Ź |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 30, 2019 22:02:52 GMT
and i don't trust a IRA Loving, Hamas supporting idiot who thinks he can grow money trees to replace the ones he cut down I think most people in this country support the Palestinians than the racist Israeli state that is continually bullying more and more land for themselves with US support. It just helps Israel that the media in this country is so biased because of the roots of Its ownership? Anyone who criticises Israel is labelled as being anti-Semitic? Criticism against Israel and its politics is NOT a religious but a political statement. There are many Jews in this country and abroad who are critical of Israeli policies; are they anti-Semitic? Any discrimination based on colour, race, religion, gender, disability, etc. should rightly be challenged. But is it not hypocritical for eminent Israeli supporters in this country to criticise UK politicians for being anti-Semitic / racist when they themselves fully support a country that treats a large proportion of its own citizens as 3rd class by law and bullies the other people whose land they still occupy. There is no difference between Israel and apartheid South Africa; big business and media in this country continued to support the racist SA to its last few weeks. As for terrorist attacks in Europe, historically, you will find that Israel has carried out more of these than Palestinians? Interestingly, the head of the Israeli government is finally going to be charged with corruption? UTG Really? Evidence please if if you have any, Mr Arafat. UTG |
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