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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 19, 2019 23:28:56 GMT
NHS
Take away the politics of it by making it independent of government similar to the Bank of England. Top post appointed by Select Committee (I'd prefer them elected by public vote but could be too much too soon).
Minimum funding based on £ per person, reviewed every 4 years.
Social care to be put to a cross party consensus and a Royal Commission to prevent short termism.
Immigration
Parliament to legislate on numbers and roles over a 4 year cycle.
Movement and residency should be easier for comparable nations (I know a Canadian and an Australian who married British citizens but found it difficult to sort out the paperwork).
Perhaps controversial, but to better control economic migration we should concentrate most overseas aid and security in Africa which is where the population growth (and future migration issues) will be greatest.
Justice
A PC liaison officer for each school for confidence building and community spirit.
As previously noted, ensure violent and non violent criminals are kept separate.
Repeat offenders should get a premium added to their sentence.
The short term sentences where the offender may lose their job should be carried out over weekends so they do not then become a burden.
Introduce a 'not proven' category as in Scotland.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 0:48:03 GMT
Where’s that tumbleweed gif... Exactly. Those on the certain side of the debate....nothing. Eric has fronted up, but yes, there isn’t much representation from those towards the right of the spectrum. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 0:50:20 GMT
NHS Take away the politics of it by making it independent of government similar to the Bank of England. Top post appointed by Select Committee (I'd prefer them elected by public vote but could be too much too soon). Minimum funding based on £ per person, reviewed every 4 years. Social care to be put to a cross party consensus and a Royal Commission to prevent short termism. Immigration Parliament to legislate on numbers and roles over a 4 year cycle. Movement and residency should be easier for comparable nations (I know a Canadian and an Australian who married British citizens but found it difficult to sort out the paperwork). Perhaps controversial, but to better control economic migration we should concentrate most overseas aid and security in Africa which is where the population growth (and future migration issues) will be greatest. Justice A PC liaison officer for each school for confidence building and community spirit. As previously noted, ensure violent and non violent criminals are kept separate. Repeat offenders should get a premium added to their sentence. The short term sentences where the offender may lose their job should be carried out over weekends so they do not then become a burden. Introduce a 'not proven' category as in Scotland. Some good stuff there, particularly the NHS. I like the idea of moving it outside of government control. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 20, 2019 7:32:21 GMT
Yeah, fair play to Eric and worth noting that he also agreed with the very basic first draft and also put forward a very good idea about first time/repeat offenders.
I hope we get more replies because it was good to see that so far, we are all mostly in agreement.
It's been less than a day, so plenty of time for others to get involved.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 20, 2019 7:35:04 GMT
Where’s that tumbleweed gif... Exactly. Those on the certain side of the debate....nothing. With respect Oldie, while I accept that all sides are not fully represented here, I'm trying to avoid this kind if post on this particular thread. Let's celebrate Eric rather than look at others who may or may not wish to engage in this little thought experiment.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 8:28:09 GMT
Exactly. Those on the certain side of the debate....nothing. With respect Oldie, while I accept that all sides are not fully represented here, I'm trying to avoid this kind if post on this particular thread. Let's celebrate Eric rather than look at others who may or may not wish to engage in this little thought experiment. Noted, my apologies. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 8:42:17 GMT
Exactly. Those on the certain side of the debate....nothing. With respect Oldie, while I accept that all sides are not fully represented here, I'm trying to avoid this kind if post on this particular thread. Let's celebrate Eric rather than look at others who may or may not wish to engage in this little thought experiment. That was always going to happen unfortunately but thanks for your efforts in trying to create a more constructive, respectful and friendly debate. I think I will dip out of this one now. cheers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 8:47:41 GMT
With respect Oldie, while I accept that all sides are not fully represented here, I'm trying to avoid this kind if post on this particular thread. Let's celebrate Eric rather than look at others who may or may not wish to engage in this little thought experiment. That was always going to happen unfortunately but thanks for your efforts in trying to create a more constructive, respectful and friendly debate. I think I will dip out of this one now. cheers. My fault, I accept my post was very unnecessary. Sorry. |
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Dec 20, 2019 9:55:28 GMT
Where’s that tumbleweed gif... Exactly. Those on the certain side of the debate....nothing. Had to be oldie, didn't it? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 20, 2019 9:59:06 GMT
Exactly. Those on the certain side of the debate....nothing. Had to be oldie, didn't it? Let it go please otherwise you are no different. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 20, 2019 10:01:11 GMT
With respect Oldie, while I accept that all sides are not fully represented here, I'm trying to avoid this kind if post on this particular thread. Let's celebrate Eric rather than look at others who may or may not wish to engage in this little thought experiment. That was always going to happen unfortunately but thanks for your efforts in trying to create a more constructive, respectful and friendly debate. I think I will dip out of this one now. cheers. Hes apologised. If you duck out at the first sign of "the other way of doing things" then how can we take things forward. I'm not moderating this thread by the way, I just want to show that we can all be better. |
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Post by William Wilson on Dec 20, 2019 11:11:57 GMT
I'd like to try something new on this thread. The other 2 political threads are really quite unpleasant and everyone is daggers drawn. What I would like to see is what we as a group can agree on. No insults. No harking back to past threads. No personal stuff. Maybe we could stick to one or 2 main themes before moving on to the next. This should be constructive and all participants be ready to listen and consider the views of others. I refuse to believe that we are as divided as politicians and news outlets want us to be. Maybe some basic first on a few fundamentals? The NHS, Immigration and the justice system may be 3 good places to start. Remember, I'm looking for points of agreement here and personal views, not picking apart everything. So I'll kick us off. NHS: As a minimum the NHS should remain but could do with some reviews as to how it spends its money. Immigration: People should be able to come to this country to live and work. Criminal justice: Sentencing needs looking at. Persistent offenders should get increased sentences. Reform and rehabilitation needs to improve. Are these things most of us agree with? If I may deal with point one only, ( I`m a busy busy bee, right now ) my wife has worked for the NHS in one capacity or another, for the best part of 30 years. In her experience, the constant reviews that take place, cost more than the money that they`re supposed to save. Edit. I humbly submit that you`re wrong about people not being divided. I think we`re as divided as we`ve ever been. Possibly more. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 20, 2019 11:24:35 GMT
I'd like to try something new on this thread. The other 2 political threads are really quite unpleasant and everyone is daggers drawn. What I would like to see is what we as a group can agree on. No insults. No harking back to past threads. No personal stuff. Maybe we could stick to one or 2 main themes before moving on to the next. This should be constructive and all participants be ready to listen and consider the views of others. I refuse to believe that we are as divided as politicians and news outlets want us to be. Maybe some basic first on a few fundamentals? The NHS, Immigration and the justice system may be 3 good places to start. Remember, I'm looking for points of agreement here and personal views, not picking apart everything. So I'll kick us off. NHS: As a minimum the NHS should remain but could do with some reviews as to how it spends its money. Immigration: People should be able to come to this country to live and work. Criminal justice: Sentencing needs looking at. Persistent offenders should get increased sentences. Reform and rehabilitation needs to improve. Are these things most of us agree with? If I may deal with point one only, ( I`m a busy busy bee, right now ) my wife has worked for the NHS in one capacity or another, for the best part of 30 years. In her experience, the constant reviews that take place, cost more than the money that they`re supposed to save. Agreed. I have also worked as a nurse and my wife is still a nurse. Maybe I could have been clearer. I liked some of the suggestions put forward here about looking again at what the NHS should provide for free and what perhaps could be seen as not necessarily a vital service. I think IVF is one thing that's been mentioned that we could explore later. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 20, 2019 11:27:12 GMT
I'd like to try something new on this thread. The other 2 political threads are really quite unpleasant and everyone is daggers drawn. What I would like to see is what we as a group can agree on. No insults. No harking back to past threads. No personal stuff. Maybe we could stick to one or 2 main themes before moving on to the next. This should be constructive and all participants be ready to listen and consider the views of others. I refuse to believe that we are as divided as politicians and news outlets want us to be. Maybe some basic first on a few fundamentals? The NHS, Immigration and the justice system may be 3 good places to start. Remember, I'm looking for points of agreement here and personal views, not picking apart everything. So I'll kick us off. NHS: As a minimum the NHS should remain but could do with some reviews as to how it spends its money. Immigration: People should be able to come to this country to live and work. Criminal justice: Sentencing needs looking at. Persistent offenders should get increased sentences. Reform and rehabilitation needs to improve. Are these things most of us agree with? If I may deal with point one only, ( I`m a busy busy bee, right now ) my wife has worked for the NHS in one capacity or another, for the best part of 30 years. In her experience, the constant reviews that take place, cost more than the money that they`re supposed to save. Edit. I humbly submit that you`re wrong about people not being divided. I think we`re as divided as we`ve ever been. Possibly more. I response to your edit, yes you are correct, we are more divided than ever but I'm trying to get to some consensus here in my own silly way, that perhaps we actually are not?? And if we are, where does that divide actually start. There HAS to be some common ground. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 11:50:11 GMT
If I may deal with point one only, ( I`m a busy busy bee, right now ) my wife has worked for the NHS in one capacity or another, for the best part of 30 years. In her experience, the constant reviews that take place, cost more than the money that they`re supposed to save. Edit. I humbly submit that you`re wrong about people not being divided. I think we`re as divided as we`ve ever been. Possibly more. I response to your edit, yes you are correct, we are more divided than ever but I'm trying to get to some consensus here in my own silly way, that perhaps we actually are not?? And if we are, where does that divide actually start. There HAS to be some common ground. I cannot believe we dont all want the same thing, surely? It's how we achieve it which is the subject for debate. Surely? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 20, 2019 12:26:18 GMT
I response to your edit, yes you are correct, we are more divided than ever but I'm trying to get to some consensus here in my own silly way, that perhaps we actually are not?? And if we are, where does that divide actually start. There HAS to be some common ground. I cannot believe we dont all want the same thing, surely? It's how we achieve it which is the subject for debate. Surely? I hope so yes, but from the recent threads and politics in general it's not obvious. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 12:27:33 GMT
If I may deal with point one only, ( I`m a busy busy bee, right now ) my wife has worked for the NHS in one capacity or another, for the best part of 30 years. In her experience, the constant reviews that take place, cost more than the money that they`re supposed to save. Agreed. I have also worked as a nurse and my wife is still a nurse. Maybe I could have been clearer. I liked some of the suggestions put forward here about looking again at what the NHS should provide for free and what perhaps could be seen as not necessarily a vital service. I think IVF is one thing that's been mentioned that we could explore later. IVF is only available free once. After that it costs about 5,000 quid a go. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 20, 2019 14:14:06 GMT
Agreed. I have also worked as a nurse and my wife is still a nurse. Maybe I could have been clearer. I liked some of the suggestions put forward here about looking again at what the NHS should provide for free and what perhaps could be seen as not necessarily a vital service. I think IVF is one thing that's been mentioned that we could explore later. IVF is only available free once. After that it costs about 5,000 quid a go. This is not true. Some CCGs offer 3 cycles, others only 1. The recommendation is 3 cycles and NHSE are working towards standardizing this for all CCGs. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 16:10:26 GMT
IVF is only available free once. After that it costs about 5,000 quid a go. This is not true. Some CCGs offer 3 cycles, others only 1. The recommendation is 3 cycles and NHSE are working towards standardizing this for all CCGs. Do you think we should offer IVF, in principle? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 20, 2019 17:10:59 GMT
This is not true. Some CCGs offer 3 cycles, others only 1. The recommendation is 3 cycles and NHSE are working towards standardizing this for all CCGs. Do you think we should offer IVF, in principle? In certain circumstances absolutely. |
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