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Post by horfield on Dec 22, 2019 12:00:35 GMT
Spot on, he applied via his agent for the Sheffield Wednesday job last July. Never happy with the regime he worked for, Liam Scales not coming the start of the rift.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 22, 2019 19:01:38 GMT
Spot on, he applied via his agent for the Sheffield Wednesday job last July. Never happy with the regime he worked for, Liam Scales not coming the start of the rift. So how come the article in today's Football League paper suggests that the only reason he moved was for a better contract and he might well have considered staying if the owners had made him a better offer? Suggesting "I've got nothing but good words for MS, the owner gets a bad rap sometimes but he's been tremendous to me" contridicts he was never happy!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 19:30:35 GMT
My take on all this is that whilst I was never his biggest fan, I respect the good job he did while he was here. Miracle is overstating it, and whilst I concur with Socrates on most things in here, I don't think his was the biggest turnaround either. DC's recovery from Conference to League 1 was far greater, as was Gerry taking us to the Championship.
I have absolute respect for his reasons for leaving. Why do we have to look for other reasons other than the one he gave. Any man who wants to be with his family shouldn't be criticised for doing what he could to achieve that. Family is more important than football - surely yesterday showed us that.
It was surely his style of football that some fans didn't like (myself included). Last season, it was justified but this year he didn't seem to have any intention of developing that style. I think the players we have can play a bit. Sercombe, Upson, Rodman, Clarke, Bennett, Nichols, Clarke-Harris are all better than lump in long merchants. I don't expect us to turn into Man City, but we can play more football than we did under GC, and indeed have done so in both games since. Good football doesn't have to equate to losing football - that's illogical.
So, he's gone. Thanks for a good job in keeping us up, for making overall some decent signings and in providing a good base for the next manager. And thanks for one of the all time great away days at Ipswich. But I won't miss the football he played.
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Post by socrates on Dec 22, 2019 19:45:50 GMT
My take on all this is that whilst I was never his biggest fan, I respect the good job he did while he was here. Miracle is overstating it, and whilst I concur with Socrates on most things in here, I don't think his was the biggest turnaround either. DC's recovery from Conference to League 1 was far greater, as was Gerry taking us to the Championship. I have absolute respect for his reasons for leaving. Why do we have to look for other reasons other than the one he gave. Any man who wants to be with his family shouldn't be criticised for doing what he could to achieve that. Family is more important than football - surely yesterday showed us that. It was surely his style of football that some fans didn't like (myself included). Last season, it was justified but this year he didn't seem to have any intention of developing that style. I think the players we have can play a bit. Sercombe, Upson, Rodman, Clarke, Bennett, Nichols, Clarke-Harris are all better than lump in long merchants. I don't expect us to turn into Man City, but we can play more football than we did under GC, and indeed have done so in both games since. Good football doesn't have to equate to losing football - that's illogical. So, he's gone. Thanks for a good job in keeping us up, for making overall some decent signings and in providing a good base for the next manager. And thanks for one of the all time great away days at Ipswich. But I won't miss the football he played. Good post . I meant in the space of a year regarding I don’t ever remember anyone doing such a great turn around for the club, I probably didn’t explain myself very well I’m not very good at putting things down on paper / text. For sure Gerry built a cracking side over a few years and so did DC and they both won promotions. Unfortunately Coughlan didn’t hang around to see if he could. I stand by what I’ve said though I respect his decision family should come before anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 20:23:20 GMT
I wouldnt be surprised if he doesn't know our score today.. If he had any real interest in our score he wouldn't have quit when we had two massive games, Plymuff & Posh, this week, I doubt we'll ever know the real truth but I sense there's more to it than just being offered a job nearer to his home, life is never that straightforward! Yes, it seems there are some people in this thread who are going to be really surprised when he pops up as Plymouth manager in a couple of years. Others of us, not so much....
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Post by socrates on Dec 22, 2019 20:34:39 GMT
If he had any real interest in our score he wouldn't have quit when we had two massive games, Plymuff & Posh, this week, I doubt we'll ever know the real truth but I sense there's more to it than just being offered a job nearer to his home, life is never that straightforward! Yes, it seems there are some people in this thread who are going to be really surprised when he pops up as Plymouth manager in a couple of years. Others of us, not so much.... I reckon Plymouth probably approached him already and he turned them down because they’re a division lower and even further away. But yes in a few years when his kids have left school and if his wife is up for moving south then I agree I think he probably will move to Plymouth and it’ll be a good fit for him as Plymouth argyle are a club close to his heart.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 22, 2019 20:57:52 GMT
My take on all this is that whilst I was never his biggest fan, I respect the good job he did while he was here. Miracle is overstating it, and whilst I concur with Socrates on most things in here, I don't think his was the biggest turnaround either. DC's recovery from Conference to League 1 was far greater, as was Gerry taking us to the Championship. I have absolute respect for his reasons for leaving. Why do we have to look for other reasons other than the one he gave. Any man who wants to be with his family shouldn't be criticised for doing what he could to achieve that. Family is more important than football - surely yesterday showed us that. It was surely his style of football that some fans didn't like (myself included). Last season, it was justified but this year he didn't seem to have any intention of developing that style. I think the players we have can play a bit. Sercombe, Upson, Rodman, Clarke, Bennett, Nichols, Clarke-Harris are all better than lump in long merchants. I don't expect us to turn into Man City, but we can play more football than we did under GC, and indeed have done so in both games since. Good football doesn't have to equate to losing football - that's illogical. So, he's gone. Thanks for a good job in keeping us up, for making overall some decent signings and in providing a good base for the next manager. And thanks for one of the all time great away days at Ipswich. But I won't miss the football he played. As I've posted above he went a bit further in the interview he gave in today's Football League paper, suggesting it was "security" of a new contract he wanted for his family more than just a club local to his home. I doubt Mansfield could have offered him a mega deal so it's a bit odd the owners never tried to retain his services given his record, unless they'd also got feed up with his style of football. I wonder what the Mansfield fans will make of it, or why GC couldn't just change his ways.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 21:19:59 GMT
My take on all this is that whilst I was never his biggest fan, I respect the good job he did while he was here. Miracle is overstating it, and whilst I concur with Socrates on most things in here, I don't think his was the biggest turnaround either. DC's recovery from Conference to League 1 was far greater, as was Gerry taking us to the Championship. I have absolute respect for his reasons for leaving. Why do we have to look for other reasons other than the one he gave. Any man who wants to be with his family shouldn't be criticised for doing what he could to achieve that. Family is more important than football - surely yesterday showed us that. It was surely his style of football that some fans didn't like (myself included). Last season, it was justified but this year he didn't seem to have any intention of developing that style. I think the players we have can play a bit. Sercombe, Upson, Rodman, Clarke, Bennett, Nichols, Clarke-Harris are all better than lump in long merchants. I don't expect us to turn into Man City, but we can play more football than we did under GC, and indeed have done so in both games since. Good football doesn't have to equate to losing football - that's illogical. So, he's gone. Thanks for a good job in keeping us up, for making overall some decent signings and in providing a good base for the next manager. And thanks for one of the all time great away days at Ipswich. But I won't miss the football he played. Good post . I meant in the space of a year regarding I don’t ever remember anyone doing such a great turn around for the club, I probably didn’t explain myself very well I’m not very good at putting things down on paper / text. For sure Gerry built a cracking side over a few years and so did DC and they both won promotions. Unfortunately Coughlan didn’t hang around to see if he could. I stand by what I’ve said though I respect his decision family should come before anything. Definitely.
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Post by socrates on Dec 22, 2019 22:30:55 GMT
My take on all this is that whilst I was never his biggest fan, I respect the good job he did while he was here. Miracle is overstating it, and whilst I concur with Socrates on most things in here, I don't think his was the biggest turnaround either. DC's recovery from Conference to League 1 was far greater, as was Gerry taking us to the Championship. I have absolute respect for his reasons for leaving. Why do we have to look for other reasons other than the one he gave. Any man who wants to be with his family shouldn't be criticised for doing what he could to achieve that. Family is more important than football - surely yesterday showed us that. It was surely his style of football that some fans didn't like (myself included). Last season, it was justified but this year he didn't seem to have any intention of developing that style. I think the players we have can play a bit. Sercombe, Upson, Rodman, Clarke, Bennett, Nichols, Clarke-Harris are all better than lump in long merchants. I don't expect us to turn into Man City, but we can play more football than we did under GC, and indeed have done so in both games since. Good football doesn't have to equate to losing football - that's illogical. So, he's gone. Thanks for a good job in keeping us up, for making overall some decent signings and in providing a good base for the next manager. And thanks for one of the all time great away days at Ipswich. But I won't miss the football he played. As I've posted above he went a bit further in the interview he gave in today's Football League paper, suggesting it was "security" of a new contract he wanted for his family more than just a club local to his home. I doubt Mansfield could have offered him a mega deal so it's a bit odd the owners never tried to retain his services given his record, unless they'd also got feed up with his style of football. I wonder what the Mansfield fans will make of it, or why GC couldn't just change his ways. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mansfield offered him the same wage as us they are loaded like our owners and they’re willing to spend it. As for changing his ways , that could mean the difference between splitting from his wife when they’ve got three young kids or coming home and keeping everything all good . What do you think about that ?
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Dec 22, 2019 22:53:15 GMT
Good post . I meant in the space of a year regarding I don’t ever remember anyone doing such a great turn around for the club, I probably didn’t explain myself very well I’m not very good at putting things down on paper / text. For sure Gerry built a cracking side over a few years and so did DC and they both won promotions. Unfortunately Coughlan didn’t hang around to see if he could. I stand by what I’ve said though I respect his decision family should come before anything. Definitely. But it wasn’t just about family issues — he said in post match interview , he had taken rovers as far as he could , he didn’t enlarge on it , because I thinkk by this point he realised he had said too much 🤐🤐🤐Utg
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 22, 2019 23:02:31 GMT
But it wasn’t just about family issues — he said in post match interview , he had taken rovers as far as he could , he didn’t enlarge on it , because I thinkk by this point he realised he had said too much 🤐🤐🤐Utg Taken us as far as he could....really? How he could quite know that in his first full season a week before Xmas? . I’ve never heard of promotions or play off being guaranteed after only half a season of football. As far as I’m concerned you would work a full season and look back and see how good a job has been done and what the future is and whether that could be bettered.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Dec 22, 2019 23:07:00 GMT
Exactly I’m answering the points made that it was all about family . Which I personally don’t think it was .utg
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Dec 22, 2019 23:12:36 GMT
Think there’s a bit more to it than that - but - he’s gone now - so - Utg
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 0:16:42 GMT
When the owners push the boat out in january by bringing decent players in as well as holding out for a substantial transfer fee for clarke-harris as well as ring fencing the playing budget for next season it will be proof positive that coughlan was wrong about taking the club as far as he can.
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Post by dukegas on Dec 23, 2019 6:19:07 GMT
I have to admit I was mot sorry to see him gone, although I do thank him for getting us to the position we are now in, the defence is brilliant however these players were already at the club and I believe that Tony Graig is the man we should thank a born leader on the pitch, yes we are in a good position but have we been producing dire football , the style of football has been painful to watch, I am also in the camp of bringing in someone from outside the club who hopefully can sort out the midfield and get us playing attractive football, Saturday was a fantastic game and a joy to watch not often do you see a 0-0 draw and are able to say what a good game of football we’ve seen, this would not have happened on GC. It may not happen with Mansfield for him.
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Post by madgas on Dec 23, 2019 8:09:47 GMT
The more to it?
He was a player that had a good relationship with Sturrock. Hence he landed a coaching job with PS. He probably wanted to get a move to Sheffield for years- but generally the clubs in that area are too big to take a punt on unproven GC.
He takes a bigger role at Bristol rovers. Gets lucky and lands the managers job. Does exceptionally well. And finally earns himself a reputation as a manager. A long wanted Sheffield club comes in. And he f**ks off.
Not cool.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 23, 2019 8:19:21 GMT
As I've posted above he went a bit further in the interview he gave in today's Football League paper, suggesting it was "security" of a new contract he wanted for his family more than just a club local to his home. I doubt Mansfield could have offered him a mega deal so it's a bit odd the owners never tried to retain his services given his record, unless they'd also got feed up with his style of football. I wonder what the Mansfield fans will make of it, or why GC couldn't just change his ways. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mansfield offered him the same wage as us they are loaded like our owners and they’re willing to spend it. As for changing his ways , that could mean the difference between splitting from his wife when they’ve got three young kids or coming home and keeping everything all good . What do you think about that ? Agreed plus they could have well given him the longer contract he was apparently seeking, given that he only had 18 months left on the one he signed last December. As far as GC changing his ways and I meant playing a more expansive game on the pitch not his home life!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 8:25:33 GMT
I wouldn’t be surprised if Mansfield offered him the same wage as us they are loaded like our owners and they’re willing to spend it. As for changing his ways , that could mean the difference between splitting from his wife when they’ve got three young kids or coming home and keeping everything all good . What do you think about that ? Agreed plus they could have well given him the longer contract he was apparently seeking, given that he only had 18 months left on the one he signed last December. As far as GC changing his ways and I meant playing a more expansive game on the pitch not his home life!! A 2.5 year contract at Mansfield.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Dec 23, 2019 8:49:24 GMT
It is still possible for Mansfield to do mount a promotion challenge this season aided by good January recruitment and an inspired second half to the season.
Failing that GC will be expected to secure promotion next season.
If and when GC secures promotion, he will be able to have a wide selection of middle-sized clubs in the Yorkshire area to choose from.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 9:28:31 GMT
When the owners push the boat out in january by bringing decent players in as well as holding out for a substantial transfer fee for clarke-harris as well as ring fencing the playing budget for next season it will be proof positive that coughlan was wrong about taking the club as far as he can. Taking the club far has he can? He ain’t taken us nowhere and he won’t take Mansfield anywhere.
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