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Post by Gastafari on Dec 26, 2019 22:11:03 GMT
Sh*t performance or not. Let's be honest if anybody had said in August that this squad would be 6th in League 1 after 21 games on Boxing day and just 2 points of an automatic place, most of us would have laughed our tits off. A bit of perspective is needed, I feel. A meltdown is certainly way over the top. Poor way to look at it IMO. Yes I didn’t expect us to be here but now we are we have to compete to be here. If we finish mid table or lower now I’ll be disappointed, whereas at the start of the season I would have been pleased. It’s the standard we have set for ourselves. I'ts one game. Unexpected results seem to happen on Boxing day, up and down the country. Still no need for us to get upset, just yet. |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 26, 2019 22:11:41 GMT
Why are people hell bent on picking on Nichols? Only players to come out with anything today were Jaakola & Sercombe IMO.
I didn’t think Wimbledon gave us high press at all, in fact watching the 1st half was like watching England a few years ago - all possession but no cutting edge with just the defenders passing it amongst themselves. Wimbledon literally had all 11 men in their half most of the time.
Both of their goals were lucky/freak goals from sh**e defending from everyone involved. They should have scored from a corner with a free header if not from a great save & Jaakola also made a smart save just before that corner as well.
My issue was more how we reacted in the game. There was no movement, no fight or passion, no urgency, no willingness to attack - just nothing. As much as I praised our defensive 5 (and 3 in particular) after Ipswich & Peterborough, they must also have their heads in shame as all 5 of them were an absolute shambles today.
Maybe this is the kick BG and the team will need for Fleetwood but we’ve found ourselves being a point from 2nd with an extra game, to being 6th and the team below us having an extra game on us - not only are we realistically in the play offs now, we’re also playing them away next.
Sunday is a must not lose game.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 26, 2019 23:04:20 GMT
"There was no movement, no fight or passion, no urgency, no willingness to attack - just nothing."
That wasn't the impression you got at the game, more like no idea what to do to try and break down Wimbledon's defence. Whilst OC gets some stick at least he'll try a shot neither Upson or Ogogo had that him them today.
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Post by neilv93 on Dec 26, 2019 23:18:00 GMT
Poor performance today but it happens. We move on to the next one.
I think, realistically, we're in a slightly false position and have been over-achieving so we may be brought down to earth a bit. That doesn't make us bad - nor is it Garner's fault - but merely that we need to credit these boys for a phenomenal first half to the season where we're a lot higher than almost all of us imagined at this stage.
Big game on the weekend away to a tough side and then another quick turnaround before the worse Dons so plenty of opportunities to rectify today's s**t show with a better performance before a chance to make it through to round four of the FA Cup for the first time in what-feels-like forever! Bad day but plenty of reasons to be positive and not go full meltdown!!!
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Post by LJG on Dec 26, 2019 23:45:57 GMT
Can't find it in me to watch BG's post match interview- is it wrong that his face and way annoy me already? Take it back to school as such and he reminds me of one of those annoying keener types that use ten words rather than 1 and are away with the fairies! F**k you! |
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Post by LJG on Dec 26, 2019 23:50:59 GMT
Why are people hell bent on picking on Nichols? Only players to come out with anything today were Jaakola & Sercombe IMO. I didn’t think Wimbledon gave us high press at all, in fact watching the 1st half was like watching England a few years ago - all possession but no cutting edge with just the defenders passing it amongst themselves. Wimbledon literally had all 11 men in their half most of the time. Both of their goals were lucky/freak goals from sh**e defending from everyone involved. They should have scored from a corner with a free header if not from a great save & Jaakola also made a smart save just before that corner as well. My issue was more how we reacted in the game. There was no movement, no fight or passion, no urgency, no willingness to attack - just nothing. As much as I praised our defensive 5 (and 3 in particular) after Ipswich & Peterborough, they must also have their heads in shame as all 5 of them were an absolute shambles today. Maybe this is the kick BG and the team will need for Fleetwood but we’ve found ourselves being a point from 2nd with an extra game, to being 6th and the team below us having an extra game on us - not only are we realistically in the play offs now, we’re also playing them away next. Sunday is a must not lose game. Because you can't rely on clean sheets to win games. Goals do that. They were there for the taking in the first half and sh1t composure in front of goal and an inability to finish, actually even take a shot let us down. We could have closed the game out in the first half if our number 10 had a f**king clue. He doesn't. It's also rubbish that only Anssi and Sercs had a good game. The whole midfield played well and there was plenty of attacking drive, just no end product. But y'know plenty of that naturally talented trotting around at barely over walking pace. |
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Post by Westy on Dec 26, 2019 23:57:01 GMT
Or was it that we've been found out? I think Wimbledon are the first team we've played twice. "Tippy tappy" football is fine and the way to go IMO, but we need more pace and a creative midfielder in the side to make it work. We are in no way good enough on or off the pitch to go up, so if the rest of this season is a bit of an experiment that leaves us better off in the long term, that's fine by me. I want to watch a team that wins, as we all do, but I want to be entertained too. I want to see Bristol rovers play to our strengths and win football matches . When I want to watch entertaining football I watch match of the day or champions league. Slow patient football with this squad will see us drop down the league very quickly. Agreed. Playing triangles is great when you're a top flight footballer, with good technique, pace and vision. All these things needed to keep the tempo high and the ball moving, but also attributes that diminish when you get further down the pyramid. That's the reason lower leagues are more physical, more a battle of constitution versus a display of skill. We're in the tricky leagues where finding the balance is key, but with our lack of depth in the squad and now changing our passing game I can see a few hiccups in motion already Willing to chalk today off, Christmas cheer. New manager, team's full of mince pies, whatever..! Time to bounce back at Fleetwood. UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 0:32:05 GMT
Feel sorry for kevin maher really,i mean what did he do wrong?
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Post by pirate on Dec 27, 2019 0:40:10 GMT
Feel sorry for kevin maher really,i mean what did he do wrong? What's happened??? |
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Post by socrates on Dec 27, 2019 0:56:23 GMT
I want to see Bristol rovers play to our strengths and win football matches . When I want to watch entertaining football I watch match of the day or champions league. Slow patient football with this squad will see us drop down the league very quickly. Agreed. Playing triangles is great when you're a top flight footballer, with good technique, pace and vision. All these things needed to keep the tempo high and the ball moving, but also attributes that diminish when you get further down the pyramid. That's the reason lower leagues are more physical, more a battle of constitution versus a display of skill. We're in the tricky leagues where finding the balance is key, but with our lack of depth in the squad and now changing our passing game I can see a few hiccups in motion already Willing to chalk today off, Christmas cheer. New manager, team's full of mince pies, whatever..! Time to bounce back at Fleetwood. UTG! Yes absolutely got to give the new manager a chance , but if he’s done his homework then he’ll know that the clubs that win promotion from league 1 are never flashy sides They are always well organised teams with big no nonsense fuckers at centre half at the back and a good goalkeeper. They always have midfielders who can break up the opposing play. They also always seem to have a mix of big men up front who can hold it up or power through and smaller quicker forwards who can pounce on chances . We have all of those attributes in our squad and have a way of making it work that was built and created by our last manager who to be fair got this club punching above its weight . Today we played like we did in the first half v Southend or at home to Bromley but we never changed it to adapt. If we’d gone direct from the first minute we probably would have won comfortably. Our manager earns his wage from experiencing these things and learning about his squad and then getting it right next time and over time. He deserves patience time to get it right for sure . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 1:22:31 GMT
Feel sorry for kevin maher really,i mean what did he do wrong? What's happened??? He was removed from picking the team after 1 game. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 27, 2019 1:27:51 GMT
He was removed from picking the team after 1 game. Oh right I see, he's gone back to do the job he was brought in for and is paid to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 3:03:52 GMT
He was removed from picking the team after 1 game. Oh right I see, he's gone back to do the job he was brought in for and is paid to do. Yes he was replaced by another academy coach although i believe maher has actually managed a team before. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 27, 2019 5:49:25 GMT
A textbook example of how not to impress your new manager. Rodman’s decision to let the ball pass him by, allowing his man around the back to keep it in was amateur at best. & then Victor..... I’m still very much speechless at the pullback decision. A certain goal and chance to regain the lead. The disallowed goal was also a criminal decision by the inept referee. Add in Nichols usual display of how to trot around a pitch doing F all and it was going to be a classic. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 27, 2019 6:20:34 GMT
A textbook example of how not to impress your new manager. Rodman’s decision to let the ball pass him by, allowing his man around the back to keep it in was amateur at best. & then Victor..... I’m still very much speechless at the pullback decision. A certain goal and chance to regain the lead. The disallowed goal was also a criminal decision by the inept referee. Add in Nichols usual display of how to trot around a pitch doing F all and it was going to be a classic. If in doubt, blame Nichols. It's getting rather boring now. Could argue he did as well as the rest of our strikers to be honest. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 27, 2019 7:21:47 GMT
Classic wum attempt, Henners. This tread needed a bit of a waking up Merry xmas Lord ! |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 27, 2019 8:00:55 GMT
Why are people hell bent on picking on Nichols? Only players to come out with anything today were Jaakola & Sercombe IMO. I didn’t think Wimbledon gave us high press at all, in fact watching the 1st half was like watching England a few years ago - all possession but no cutting edge with just the defenders passing it amongst themselves. Wimbledon literally had all 11 men in their half most of the time. Both of their goals were lucky/freak goals from sh**e defending from everyone involved. They should have scored from a corner with a free header if not from a great save & Jaakola also made a smart save just before that corner as well. My issue was more how we reacted in the game. There was no movement, no fight or passion, no urgency, no willingness to attack - just nothing. As much as I praised our defensive 5 (and 3 in particular) after Ipswich & Peterborough, they must also have their heads in shame as all 5 of them were an absolute shambles today. Maybe this is the kick BG and the team will need for Fleetwood but we’ve found ourselves being a point from 2nd with an extra game, to being 6th and the team below us having an extra game on us - not only are we realistically in the play offs now, we’re also playing them away next. Sunday is a must not lose game. Because you can't rely on clean sheets to win games. Goals do that. They were there for the taking in the first half and sh1t composure in front of goal and an inability to finish, actually even take a shot let us down. We could have closed the game out in the first half if our number 10 had a f**king clue. He doesn't. It's also rubbish that only Anssi and Sercs had a good game. The whole midfield played well and there was plenty of attacking drive, just no end product. But y'know plenty of that naturally talented trotting around at barely over walking pace. But I don’t remember any service to JCH or Nichols. It’s true Upson and Abs were also ok tbf but their service was poor - the only person I remember trying to put the ball into the box was Sercombe. We let in 2 pathetic goals from defending meaning we lost 2-1. That’s on the defence for those mistakes, Rodman especially. But I’m sure it’s easier to blame Nichols for those goals |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 8:40:35 GMT
Agreed. Playing triangles is great when you're a top flight footballer, with good technique, pace and vision. All these things needed to keep the tempo high and the ball moving, but also attributes that diminish when you get further down the pyramid. That's the reason lower leagues are more physical, more a battle of constitution versus a display of skill. We're in the tricky leagues where finding the balance is key, but with our lack of depth in the squad and now changing our passing game I can see a few hiccups in motion already Willing to chalk today off, Christmas cheer. New manager, team's full of mince pies, whatever..! Time to bounce back at Fleetwood. UTG! Yes absolutely got to give the new manager a chance , but if he’s done his homework then he’ll know that the clubs that win promotion from league 1 are never flashy sides They are always well organised teams with big no nonsense fuckers at centre half at the back and a good goalkeeper. They always have midfielders who can break up the opposing play. They also always seem to have a mix of big men up front who can hold it up or power through and smaller quicker forwards who can pounce on chances . We have all of those attributes in our squad and have a way of making it work that was built and created by our last manager who to be fair got this club punching above its weight . Today we played like we did in the first half v Southend or at home to Bromley but we never changed it to adapt. If we’d gone direct from the first minute we probably would have won comfortably. Our manager earns his wage from experiencing these things and learning about his squad and then getting it right next time and over time. He deserves patience time to get it right for sure . Agree with some of this, but those sides who win promotion from this league also have pace and creativity about them, something that Coughlan didn't introduce (maybe due to budgetary constraints, maybe due to his own philosophy, we don't know). These sides are organised defensively and break up play, but they also score goals because they are better footballing sides. I get the argument about there being less football played the further down the pyramid you go, but this isn't a League 1 where a Cambridge / Wimbledon side of the 90s/80s would do well in it. That's what we were becoming under Coughlan. I'm not knocking him as he did a good job in keeping us up and thanks to a good run of late, giving us a good base going forward. For me, he was a bit like Atkins but in a higher division. Did a good job keeping us up and built a good base to work from going forward (and probably won't get the credit he deserves for that). But he would never have taken this squad up IMO. Most felt that we were probably at least 6 or so places higher than our ability suggested and frankly, if this team finishes mid table then that's a good season far in excess of what I thought we'd achieve (and credit should go to Coughlan for that). But we have to look longer term and, over time (and that's the crucial bit) develop the style. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 27, 2019 8:43:52 GMT
Add in Nichols usual display of how to trot around a pitch doing F all and it was going to be a classic. If in doubt, blame Nichols. It's getting rather boring now. Could argue he did as well as the rest of our strikers to be honest. I will thanks, and I'm not bothered if it bores you. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 27, 2019 8:51:47 GMT
Yes absolutely got to give the new manager a chance , but if he’s done his homework then he’ll know that the clubs that win promotion from league 1 are never flashy sides They are always well organised teams with big no nonsense fuckers at centre half at the back and a good goalkeeper. They always have midfielders who can break up the opposing play. They also always seem to have a mix of big men up front who can hold it up or power through and smaller quicker forwards who can pounce on chances . We have all of those attributes in our squad and have a way of making it work that was built and created by our last manager who to be fair got this club punching above its weight . Today we played like we did in the first half v Southend or at home to Bromley but we never changed it to adapt. If we’d gone direct from the first minute we probably would have won comfortably. Our manager earns his wage from experiencing these things and learning about his squad and then getting it right next time and over time. He deserves patience time to get it right for sure . Agree with some of this, but those sides who win promotion from this league also have pace and creativity about them, something that Coughlan didn't introduce (maybe due to budgetary constraints, maybe due to his own philosophy, we don't know). These sides are organised defensively and break up play, but they also score goals because they are better footballing sides. I get the argument about there being less football played the further down the pyramid you go, but this isn't a League 1 where a Cambridge / Wimbledon side of the 90s/80s would do well in it. That's what we were becoming under Coughlan. I'm not knocking him as he did a good job in keeping us up and thanks to a good run of late, giving us a good base going forward. For me, he was a bit like Atkins but in a higher division. Did a good job keeping us up and built a good base to work from going forward (and probably won't get the credit he deserves for that). But he would never have taken this squad up IMO. Most felt that we were probably at least 6 or so places higher than our ability suggested and frankly, if this team finishes mid table then that's a good season far in excess of what I thought we'd achieve (and credit should go to Coughlan for that). But we have to look longer term and, over time (and that's the crucial bit) develop the style. If GC had been still in charge we'd have probably won yesterday and gone second, how can you say GC wouldn't have taken us up if we we're 2nd in the table this morning? |
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