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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 18:23:58 GMT
I also believe that will be the case, but calling people thick is not the way forward. Did you actually say that, because I dont recall you doing so. No, of corse I didn't say it. It's a Gaschat fact brought to you by the likes of William Wilson intended to exaggerate the alleged contempt with which myself and you hold the working class (of which I am a member) who voted Tory/Brexit. But this is like the second or 3rd time it's been attributed to me so if it's going to be kept being brought up, presumably as some sort of shaming/ridicule device then I'm happy to accept it as I stand by my convictions that the working class are voting for things they are being lied to about and that will not happen. We will have the same problems in 10 years time of a Tory led Brexit: lack of resources, poor investment in communities/services/NHS/education (especially up north and in Wales) we might even still have non-EU migrant problems, housing crisis, stagnant wages etc etc etc (tax havenry however, will still be ticking over quite nicely, thank you). All that will have changed is that instead of the EU/migrants the blame will have been put on something new to explain why the rich have got richer while the working class have been left behind and social mobility is at an all time low. But it won't be the Tories and Farage taking the blame, probably Corbyn and the Labour government of 20 years ago still. As Elton John once sang "It's the ciiiiiiiiiiircle of life".... That's what I thought. Get used to it if you post contra views on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 18:46:39 GMT
No, of corse I didn't say it. It's a Gaschat fact brought to you by the likes of William Wilson intended to exaggerate the alleged contempt with which myself and you hold the working class (of which I am a member) who voted Tory/Brexit. But this is like the second or 3rd time it's been attributed to me so if it's going to be kept being brought up, presumably as some sort of shaming/ridicule device then I'm happy to accept it as I stand by my convictions that the working class are voting for things they are being lied to about and that will not happen. We will have the same problems in 10 years time of a Tory led Brexit: lack of resources, poor investment in communities/services/NHS/education (especially up north and in Wales) we might even still have non-EU migrant problems, housing crisis, stagnant wages etc etc etc (tax havenry however, will still be ticking over quite nicely, thank you). All that will have changed is that instead of the EU/migrants the blame will have been put on something new to explain why the rich have got richer while the working class have been left behind and social mobility is at an all time low. But it won't be the Tories and Farage taking the blame, probably Corbyn and the Labour government of 20 years ago still. As Elton John once sang "It's the ciiiiiiiiiiircle of life".... That's what I thought. Get used to it if you post contra views on here. Nah, it brings their grubby debating style into the light for all to see, so let them carry on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 19:00:53 GMT
That's what I thought. Get used to it if you post contra views on here. Nah, it brings their grubby debating style into the light for all to see, so let them carry on. Indeed |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 19:35:02 GMT
How well migrants are treated does not seem to be down to national government policy. If you look up thread you will see that it’s the local authority that decides which migrants are likely to be given housing and it’s notable that London/south east and east anglia do the least for them. And what are the Tories doing for British homelessness, apart from making it worse? What did they pledge to do as part of their election campaign? What can you do, eh? They`re too thick to act in their own self interest. You said so yourself. Actually, it would be interesting to know from where this all sprang from. So could you show me the actual quote, WW, where I said “they are all too thick to act in their own self interest”? Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 20:29:34 GMT
That's what I thought. Get used to it if you post contra views on here. Nah, it brings their grubby debating style into the light for all to see, so let them carry on. Who do you refer to with “their” ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 20:33:58 GMT
You what? Stagnation of wages? Are you sure?
As for the 'working class', that is just the language of days far gone. As long as the left keep using terms like 'working class' you realise that they will never get in power....and the thought of that does make me chuckle!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 20:49:16 GMT
You what? Stagnation of wages? Are you sure? As for the 'working class', that is just the language of days far gone. As long as the left keep using terms like 'working class' you realise that they will never get in power....and the thought of that does make me chuckle! I agree about the "Working Class" definition. But have a word with your mate William, he keeps mentioning the term, even asked me how many "working class people" I had seen on some ficticious flight to Honolulu...ffs |
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Post by althepirate on Jan 2, 2020 22:13:10 GMT
It's a non argument isn't to say 'in 10 years time under the Tories blah blah blah' because there is no alternative to compare it with is there?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 23:00:03 GMT
It's a non argument isn't to say 'in 10 years time under the Tories blah blah blah' because there is no alternative to compare it with is there? Yes there is. They will be judged against the current situation. Did they improve it, that will be the question. Their record since 2010 is one where things got worse, so that's the backdrop. |
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Post by althepirate on Jan 2, 2020 23:16:07 GMT
It's a non argument isn't to say 'in 10 years time under the Tories blah blah blah' because there is no alternative to compare it with is there? Yes there is. They will be judged against the current situation. Did they improve it, that will be the question. Their record since 2010 is one where things got worse, so that's the backdrop. Compare I said not judged. Compare against another party being in power for the next ten years because only one can be. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 23:59:02 GMT
Nah, it brings their grubby debating style into the light for all to see, so let them carry on. Who do you refer to with “their” ? Okay, in fairness I haven’t seen anyone else attribute words to me that I didn’t use so I will amend that “their” to “his”. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 0:03:44 GMT
Yes there is. They will be judged against the current situation. Did they improve it, that will be the question. Their record since 2010 is one where things got worse, so that's the backdrop. Compare I said not judged. Compare against another party being in power for the next ten years because only one can be. Well there is a comparison of sorts in what people people who voted to leave the EU were promised during the original campaign. That’s one yardstick to which this government can easily be compared. Will the NHS get an extra 350 million a week? Will we have sunny uplands? The German car industry coming to us cap in hand? What do you think Al? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 0:12:52 GMT
You what? Stagnation of wages? Are you sure? As for the 'working class', that is just the language of days far gone. As long as the left keep using terms like 'working class' you realise that they will never get in power....and the thought of that does make me chuckle! I agree about the "Working Class" definition. But have a word with your mate William, he keeps mentioning the term, even asked me how many "working class people" I had seen on some ficticious flight to Honolulu...ffs How about “low income strata”. Does that work better? I’m not buying it that people in this country are no longer divided according to their current earning ability. It’s as relevant now more than it has been in a very long time imo given the gulfs that are appearing in the ability for low income families to improve their social standing and the difficulties for young people in getting on the housing ladder. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 0:16:10 GMT
You what? Stagnation of wages? Are you sure? As for the 'working class', that is just the language of days far gone. As long as the left keep using terms like 'working class' you realise that they will never get in power....and the thought of that does make me chuckle! “Britain has endured the longest period of average wage stagnation since the Napoleonic Wars 200 years ago and earnings are not expected to return to their pre-crash peak until 2025. Workers are still £13 a week worse off than in 2007“ |
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