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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 20:22:20 GMT
I trust / back Garner 100% he needs to be given time. UTG !! There's nothing else we can do, really. That C*** Coughlin sh1t all over us by going to Mansfield because they offered him more money. All that crap about missing his family was total bollox and he just used that to try and get the sympathy vote. Its far too early to blame Garner, he was chosen by the owners to be our manager and he now needs to be backed by them and us. Just one thing, I hope he's waiting to be supplied with proper club match day kit, because that brown puffa jacket thing he wears at the moment is crap and creates totally the wrong impression. He does seem to have quite the collection of puffers doesn’t he. Black number pre match which was swapped for a grey version on the touch line. Not sure I have seen the brown one yet but I too find it irks me a bit. Needs to smarten up or go down the track suit route. Not sure which I prefer.
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 1, 2020 20:39:12 GMT
The tripe GC served up could not continue no one wanted to watch that durge,I'm confident Ben will sort this out and the football will be more attractive to the eye.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 20:40:58 GMT
Does it matter what he wears? Really?
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 1, 2020 20:57:19 GMT
Does it matter what he wears? Really? Yes. How can you not see that if BG had worn a Rovers-branded training top during his first three games in charge, we’d have won them all and sit 2nd in the league tonight? Clearly you know nothing about marginal gains.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 1, 2020 21:18:53 GMT
Reading some comments across the various posts and there are some belters out there. Coughlin wanted out and there is nothing we can do about that. We have been very lucky so far this season. If Southend had scored the 3rd goal - which was deserved - against us people would have been out for GCs head. We were lucky against Bromley and should have lost at home to Plymouth. AFC Wimbledon probably had the fewest chances any team has had against us - until today - but took them. Our luck ran out the day BG arrived. I believe he'll come good given time. As for the Holloway fan club, you apply for jobs not wait for the call. Didn't hear that quote myself but 'IF' that was the case then I am glad he's not here just to feed his ego Over 46 games GC had us top of the current form, it's utter nonsense to say that he was just lucky when he had a run extending that long. As far as Holloway he obviously knew full well the owners wouldn't employee him so it was pointless him applying. Although not sure what he's got to do with us starting so poorly under BG.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 22:24:56 GMT
What's a "difficult situation" about taking over at top 6 side on a long undefeated run? Davey & Maher showed in their couple of games in charge that the players didn't appear to have been affected by GC's departure. Taking over from a manager that achieved a good amount of success with expectations sky high as a result, given an injury ravaged squad and told to play 3 games in the space of a week and not having much of a budget to work with in January. Sure, there are managers that will deal with worse but it hasn't been easy for Garner so far I would say. Well then why appoint him just before Christmas? That’s not Garner’s fault but if we buy into this narrative that you can’t do anything with the players because you don’t have enough time it makes literally zero sense to appoint him 2 days before Christmas because you are setting him and the squad up for failure. There was much backslapping of Starnes and co for decisiveness but from where I’m sitting they’ve once again made themselves look like the Keystone Cops. Give the job to Maher over Christmas and announce Garner on 1st Jan then. Literally no chance Garner was going to be poached by someone else in that time. And if he can’t take training properly you have to wonder why our playing style has changed to a lot of short passing between the defence and midfield that is inviting pressure. Whoever has decided to bring that bollocks in at this time of the year is as much to blame as fitness. We were given a hospital pass by a Coughlan, true, but with so many games in few days we are doing our damnedest to make a complete cock up of the transition ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 22:27:47 GMT
The tripe GC served up could not continue no one wanted to watch that durge,I'm confident Ben will sort this out and the football will be more attractive to the eye. With all due respect if they pass the ball like they did today and lose 3-0 people will be wanting sh** football back quick smart.
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Post by axegas on Jan 1, 2020 22:31:00 GMT
Taking over from a manager that achieved a good amount of success with expectations sky high as a result, given an injury ravaged squad and told to play 3 games in the space of a week and not having much of a budget to work with in January. Sure, there are managers that will deal with worse but it hasn't been easy for Garner so far I would say. Well then why appoint him just before Christmas? That’s not Garner’s fault but if we buy into this narrative that you can’t do anything with the players because you don’t have enough time it makes literally zero sense to appoint him 2 days before Christmas because you are setting him and the squad up for failure. There was much backslapping of Starnes and co for decisiveness but from where I’m sitting they’ve once again made themselves look like the Keystone Cops. Give the job to Maher over Christmas and announce Garner on 1st Jan then. Literally no chance Garner was going to be poached by someone else in that time. And if he can’t take training properly you have to wonder why our playing style has changed to a lot of short passing between the defence and midfield that is inviting pressure. Whoever has decided to bring that bollocks in at this time of the year is as much to blame as fitness. We were given a hospital pass by a Coughlan, true, but with so many games in few days we are doing our damnedest to make a complete cock up of the transition ourselves. Yeah I don't disagree with you, I think it would of been better to have kept Maher in charge over the Christmas period and appoint Garner in January with a little more breathing space to do what he wants but it's easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight. Can't really fault Starnes too much though, I thought he acquitted himself well in his post Coughlan interview and I can understand why he wanted to be decisive and not leave us manageress for 4-5 games at a crucial point in the season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 22:43:30 GMT
Well then why appoint him just before Christmas? That’s not Garner’s fault but if we buy into this narrative that you can’t do anything with the players because you don’t have enough time it makes literally zero sense to appoint him 2 days before Christmas because you are setting him and the squad up for failure. There was much backslapping of Starnes and co for decisiveness but from where I’m sitting they’ve once again made themselves look like the Keystone Cops. Give the job to Maher over Christmas and announce Garner on 1st Jan then. Literally no chance Garner was going to be poached by someone else in that time. And if he can’t take training properly you have to wonder why our playing style has changed to a lot of short passing between the defence and midfield that is inviting pressure. Whoever has decided to bring that bollocks in at this time of the year is as much to blame as fitness. We were given a hospital pass by a Coughlan, true, but with so many games in few days we are doing our damnedest to make a complete cock up of the transition ourselves. Yeah I don't disagree with you, I think it would of been better to have kept Maher in charge over the Christmas period and appoint Garner in January with a little more breathing space to do what he wants but it's easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight. Can't really fault Starnes too much though, I thought he acquitted himself well in his post Coughlan interview and I can understand why he wanted to be decisive and not leave us manageress for 4-5 games at a crucial point in the season. Well, with respect, we did it last season and it worked out well! What was the issue with saying to Maher “do what you did against Peterborough til January the 1st”? If speed was due to the transfer window Garner could have had a watching brief only for 4 games to get an idea of the capabilities of the players. Letting a manager with no experience get hands on with a winning squad despite no adequate training time is literally just ‘Classic Rovers’. Classic Bloody Rovers.
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Post by axegas on Jan 1, 2020 22:51:52 GMT
Yeah I don't disagree with you, I think it would of been better to have kept Maher in charge over the Christmas period and appoint Garner in January with a little more breathing space to do what he wants but it's easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight. Can't really fault Starnes too much though, I thought he acquitted himself well in his post Coughlan interview and I can understand why he wanted to be decisive and not leave us manageress for 4-5 games at a crucial point in the season. Well, with respect, we did it last season and it worked out well! What was the issue with saying to Maher “do what you did against Peterborough til January the 1st”? If speed was due to the transfer window Garner could have had a watching brief only for 4 games to get an idea of the capabilities of the players. Letting a manager with no experience get hands on with a winning squad despite no adequate training time is literally just ‘Classic Rovers’. Classic Bloody Rovers. You've contradicted yourself there a little because you berate Garner's lack of experience but it's not like Maher or Coughlan had much managerial experience before taking on the role either? Obviously Garner hasn't had any time with the squad but don't forget he's still got Maher and others to assist him who have. This "dip" in form would have occurred even with a caretaker manager IMO, we had a tired, stretched squad going into a few tricky away games but like I put in my OP, it's pointless speculating.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 1, 2020 22:56:47 GMT
We have been very unlucky with injuries this season - I'd say it's cost us a top 2 position.
Hare - was superb Davies -superb JCH - was superb before his 6 weeks out Ollie C and Sercs have missed a number of games
and now Anssi - who has been amazing.
Add to that THD and Mark Little - 2 players who've hardly kicked a ball in anger this season.
We need a break - a few players back asap ! and some action on the signings front. Top 6 is still on when you look at the table.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 23:04:44 GMT
Well, with respect, we did it last season and it worked out well! What was the issue with saying to Maher “do what you did against Peterborough til January the 1st”? If speed was due to the transfer window Garner could have had a watching brief only for 4 games to get an idea of the capabilities of the players. Letting a manager with no experience get hands on with a winning squad despite no adequate training time is literally just ‘Classic Rovers’. Classic Bloody Rovers. You've contradicted yourself there a little because you berate Garner's lack of experience but it's not like Maher or Coughlan had much managerial experience before taking on the role either? Obviously Garner hasn't had any time with the squad but don't forget he's still got Maher and others to assist him who have. This "dip" in form would have occurred even with a caretaker manager IMO, we had a tired, stretched squad going into a few tricky away games but like I put in my OP, it's pointless speculating. Fair points, but I just speak from having watched the Peterbough game and then all but one half of the following 3 games under Garner and there *is* (to my eyes) evidence of a different approach following Garner’s appointment. Is that down to Garner? Or Maher? Who knows, but whoever came up with that idea of short tippy tappy football is helping to disrupt our campaign at a crucial time.
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Post by socrates on Jan 1, 2020 23:10:38 GMT
The tripe GC served up could not continue no one wanted to watch that durge,I'm confident Ben will sort this out and the football will be more attractive to the eye. Yeah it was awful seeing us win most weeks and 3rd in the league. Were you watered off when we won the 3rd division in 1990 too ? We played pretty much the same way.
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Post by socrates on Jan 1, 2020 23:13:12 GMT
Yeah I don't disagree with you, I think it would of been better to have kept Maher in charge over the Christmas period and appoint Garner in January with a little more breathing space to do what he wants but it's easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight. Can't really fault Starnes too much though, I thought he acquitted himself well in his post Coughlan interview and I can understand why he wanted to be decisive and not leave us manageress for 4-5 games at a crucial point in the season. Well, with respect, we did it last season and it worked out well! What was the issue with saying to Maher “do what you did against Peterborough til January the 1st”? If speed was due to the transfer window Garner could have had a watching brief only for 4 games to get an idea of the capabilities of the players. Letting a manager with no experience get hands on with a winning squad despite no adequate training time is literally just ‘Classic Rovers’. Classic Bloody Rovers. This is pretty much nail on head and what I was getting at when I said it’s all a bit of a mess. You just explained it better.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 1, 2020 23:17:08 GMT
After a 17 games where we were winning and drawing a few defeats were always going to come our way especially over Xmas with a threadbare squad.
It was crap today. Rollin, Craig, Rodman, Upson, JCH all had shockers. But with a good rest I’m sure we’ll bounce back.
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Post by horfield on Jan 1, 2020 23:18:04 GMT
You are talking about the same Starnes whose watered off on a sunshine holiday and left the poor sod on his own as manager over the past week.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 1, 2020 23:26:44 GMT
You are talking about the same Starnes whose watered off on a sunshine holiday and left the poor sod on his own as manager over the past week. How's retirement Steve?
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Post by axegas on Jan 1, 2020 23:26:49 GMT
You are talking about the same Starnes whose watered off on a sunshine holiday and left the poor sod on his own as manager over the past week. Man in taking time off work over Christmas to have a holiday shocker.
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Post by axegas on Jan 8, 2020 22:42:37 GMT
Bumping this thread as I think the original message is still relevant.
Give Garner some more time, see what wheeling and dealing he does in January and what our team does when it’s a full strength not bit part like tonight.
DC had a poor start to management with us as he was adapting to life managing a league side and he ended up doing alright, didn’t he?
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 8, 2020 22:45:23 GMT
Bumping this thread as I think the original message is still relevant. Give Garner some more time, see what wheeling and dealing he does in January and what our team does when it’s a full strength not bit part like tonight. DC had a poor start to management with us as he was adapting to life managing a league side and he ended up doing alright, didn’t he? Well said. Lots of people on here who could do with just chilling out a little and putting this all into a bit of perspective. Give the man a chance.
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