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Post by horfield on Jan 8, 2020 22:51:37 GMT
Has he earned the chance, never managed before, always a gamble.
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Post by pirate on Jan 8, 2020 22:52:59 GMT
Talksport 'Heads Gone' theme keeps running through my noggin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 22:56:48 GMT
Bumping this thread as I think the original message is still relevant. Give Garner some more time, see what wheeling and dealing he does in January and what our team does when it’s a full strength not bit part like tonight. DC had a poor start to management with us as he was adapting to life managing a league side and he ended up doing alright, didn’t he? The difference being he had two promotions as a manager at that point and clearly demonstrated leadership traits along the way. BG essentially had zero management experience when he walked through the door nor ever worked or played in the lower leagues. That was always my main concern with the appointment alongside his ability to motivate players. I don't think anyone is seriously saying BG should be sacked immediately, just reflecting on what we've seen so far and concerned about the regression in results. |
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Post by Icegas on Jan 8, 2020 23:09:41 GMT
Bumping this thread as I think the original message is still relevant. Give Garner some more time, see what wheeling and dealing he does in January and what our team does when it’s a full strength not bit part like tonight. DC had a poor start to management with us as he was adapting to life managing a league side and he ended up doing alright, didn’t he? The difference being he had two promotions as a manager at that point and clearly demonstrated leadership traits along the way. BG essentially had zero management experience when he walked through the door nor ever worked or played in the lower leagues. That was always my main concern with the appointment alongside his ability to motivate players. I don't think anyone is seriously saying BG should be sacked immediately, just reflecting on what we've seen so far and concerned about the regression in results. My concern is him showing now passion or fight on the sidelines.He just stood there watching and pointing every 25mins. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 23:12:15 GMT
The difference being he had two promotions as a manager at that point and clearly demonstrated leadership traits along the way. BG essentially had zero management experience when he walked through the door nor ever worked or played in the lower leagues. That was always my main concern with the appointment alongside his ability to motivate players. I don't think anyone is seriously saying BG should be sacked immediately, just reflecting on what we've seen so far and concerned about the regression in results. My concern is him showing now passion or fight on the sidelines.He just stood there watching and pointing every 25mins. He strikes me as an analyser/reflector and not someone we'll see jumping up and down. Whether that's compatable with being an effective leader of a football side, time will tell. |
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Post by Icegas on Jan 8, 2020 23:14:11 GMT
My concern is him showing now passion or fight on the sidelines.He just stood there watching and pointing every 25mins. He strikes me as an analyser/reflector and not someone we'll see jumping up and down. Whether that's compatable with being an effective leader of a football side, time will tell. Fair comment. |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Jan 8, 2020 23:18:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 0:54:29 GMT
Reading some comments across the various posts and there are some belters out there. Coughlin wanted out and there is nothing we can do about that. We have been very lucky so far this season. If Southend had scored the 3rd goal - which was deserved - against us people would have been out for GCs head. We were lucky against Bromley and should have lost at home to Plymouth. AFC Wimbledon probably had the fewest chances any team has had against us - until today - but took them. Our luck ran out the day BG arrived. I believe he'll come good given time. As for the Holloway fan club, you apply for jobs not wait for the call. Didn't hear that quote myself but 'IF' that was the case then I am glad he's not here just to feed his ego There is nothing lucky about grinding out good results and attaining a high place in the league. It was very hard fought and well deserved. All the players knew their roles in the team and what they needed to do to stay in the team. |
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Post by axegas on Jan 9, 2020 1:59:29 GMT
Bumping this thread as I think the original message is still relevant. Give Garner some more time, see what wheeling and dealing he does in January and what our team does when it’s a full strength not bit part like tonight. DC had a poor start to management with us as he was adapting to life managing a league side and he ended up doing alright, didn’t he? The difference being he had two promotions as a manager at that point and clearly demonstrated leadership traits along the way. BG essentially had zero management experience when he walked through the door nor ever worked or played in the lower leagues. That was always my main concern with the appointment alongside his ability to motivate players. I don't think anyone is seriously saying BG should be sacked immediately, just reflecting on what we've seen so far and concerned about the regression in results. He's been assistant manager at ATK and West Brom so I don't buy the "zero management" argument as he's literally already performed a job with "Manager" in the job title. When I said "give Garner more time" perhaps I should have explained that I meant give him some more time before getting on his back and saying ludicrous comments like "he's out of his depth" when he's only had 3 league games so far, one of which at Fleetwood we actually did alright in. |
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Post by lpgas on Jan 9, 2020 6:02:15 GMT
The tripe GC served up could not continue no one wanted to watch that durge,I'm confident Ben will sort this out and the football will be more attractive to the eye. You mean Winning durge? I'd take winning over losing any day. good old Rovers, we didn't really want to go up we prefer mid table with pretty football |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 8:30:22 GMT
The difference being he had two promotions as a manager at that point and clearly demonstrated leadership traits along the way. BG essentially had zero management experience when he walked through the door nor ever worked or played in the lower leagues. That was always my main concern with the appointment alongside his ability to motivate players. I don't think anyone is seriously saying BG should be sacked immediately, just reflecting on what we've seen so far and concerned about the regression in results. He's been assistant manager at ATK and West Brom so I don't buy the "zero management" argument as he's literally already performed a job with "Manager" in the job title. When I said "give Garner more time" perhaps I should have explained that I meant give him some more time before getting on his back and saying ludicrous comments like "he's out of his depth" when he's only had 3 league games so far, one of which at Fleetwood we actually did alright in. We both know being a Assistant is an entirely different gig to taking the reigns and being responsible for leading a team. It's not a case of buying an argument, it's a fact that he's had next to no experience of managing a mens professional side. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 19:06:57 GMT
The difference being he had two promotions as a manager at that point and clearly demonstrated leadership traits along the way. BG essentially had zero management experience when he walked through the door nor ever worked or played in the lower leagues. That was always my main concern with the appointment alongside his ability to motivate players. I don't think anyone is seriously saying BG should be sacked immediately, just reflecting on what we've seen so far and concerned about the regression in results. My concern is him showing now passion or fight on the sidelines.He just stood there watching and pointing every 25mins. No reason why jumping up and down will make him any better or worse a manager. Sometimes, it's the ability to keep your head and make sensible, rational decisions while the rest of us do the angry bit. |
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Post by socrates on Jan 9, 2020 19:14:02 GMT
The tripe GC served up could not continue no one wanted to watch that durge,I'm confident Ben will sort this out and the football will be more attractive to the eye. You mean Winning durge? I'd take winning over losing any day. good old Rovers, we didn't really want to go up we prefer mid table with pretty football In my opinion anyone who thinks our squad under Coughlan was capable of playing pretty football and getting at least half decent results is deluded. That’s not to say that Garner won’t be successful im just saying that he needs a complete overhaul of probably half the squad and I’m not convinced January is the time to be doing that. He said we might have to take two steps backwards before we can take one forwards and I think he’s got that right I just hope that in the end we’re taking two or three steps forward and not moving backwards long term because we’ll be back in league 2 before long if we do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 19:37:41 GMT
You mean Winning durge? I'd take winning over losing any day. good old Rovers, we didn't really want to go up we prefer mid table with pretty football In my opinion anyone who thinks our squad under Coughlan was capable of playing pretty football and getting at least half decent results is deluded. That’s not to say that Garner won’t be successful im just saying that he needs a complete overhaul of probably half the squad and I’m not convinced January is the time to be doing that. He said we might have to take two steps backwards before we can take one forwards and I think he’s got that right I just hope that in the end we’re taking two or three steps forward and not moving backwards long term because we’ll be back in league 2 before long if we do. I think this hits the nail on the head. Garner's not wrong to have his own views in how the game should be played, and not enough of this squad have the ability to play that way. His error is to try and change too much, too soon. No big issue with him trying things last night, but the selection against Doncaster will be very revealing. If he stays with 4 at the back, then I fear he may not be capable, or perhaps willing, to learn from his mistakes. If he reverts to the solid back 3, with the added quality that Barrett appears to bring in an attacking midfield role, then that will tell me that he last night was merely an experiment, one that shouldn't be repeated again until the summer. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 12, 2020 7:20:54 GMT
Just a reminder that Garner hasn't even been in his job for two weeks yet and has had to deal with 8 injuries, players playing through sickness and a hectic Christmas period that has taken its toll on the group. Yes today was disappointing and we were completely outplayed for large periods of the game, there is no hiding from that fact. However, let's not judge Garner until late January at the very least when he will have more time on the training field to embed his style of playing, an opportunity to bring his own players into the football club and a few more first team players available to select. Pointless saying "if Coughlan was still here" ect because he isn't, he's gone off to Mansfield and we've now got Ben Garner as our manager. We still find ourselves in the top half of the league, level on points with the playoffs and in two cup competitions. Considering that a year ago we were fighting for our lives to stay in this division, that's really not a bad place to be. This post seems a long time ago.. |
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