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Post by axegas on Jan 1, 2020 17:46:15 GMT
Just a reminder that Garner hasn't even been in his job for two weeks yet and has had to deal with 8 injuries, players playing through sickness and a hectic Christmas period that has taken its toll on the group.
Yes today was disappointing and we were completely outplayed for large periods of the game, there is no hiding from that fact. However, let's not judge Garner until late January at the very least when he will have more time on the training field to embed his style of playing, an opportunity to bring his own players into the football club and a few more first team players available to select.
Pointless saying "if Coughlan was still here" ect because he isn't, he's gone off to Mansfield and we've now got Ben Garner as our manager.
We still find ourselves in the top half of the league, level on points with the playoffs and in two cup competitions. Considering that a year ago we were fighting for our lives to stay in this division, that's really not a bad place to be.
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 1, 2020 17:49:13 GMT
Well said,he needs time if the same is happening in March then fair play for criticism, needs some signings asap.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 1, 2020 17:50:57 GMT
Fully agree.
A very poor day at the office but injuries and squad fatigue are hindering us massively IMO. The Christmas & New Year period is where you need to be able to rotate and use your squad in order to keep the team fresh - Garner’s not had that option due to the players dropping like flies.
It doesn’t help that we played on a huge pitch today with a side without a single quick player in it. We’re so slow and one-paced in all areas of the team, it’s painful.
Sell JCH and re-invest as much as possible into improving the overall squad, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 17:56:30 GMT
Just a reminder that Garner hasn't even been in his job for two weeks yet and has had to deal with 8 injuries, players playing through sickness and a hectic Christmas period that has taken its toll on the group. Yes today was disappointing and we were outplayed for large periods of the game, there is no hiding from that fact. However, let's not judge Garner until late January at the very least when he will have more time on the training field to embed his style of playing, an opportunity to bring his own players into the football club and a few more first team players available to select. Pointless saying "if Coughlan was still here" ect because he isn't, he's gone off to Mansfield and we've now got Ben Garner as our manager. We still find ourselves in the top half of the league, level on points with the playoffs and in two cup competitions. Considering that a year ago we were fighting for our lives to stay in this division, that's really not a bad place to be. With respect I always find it a bit dis-spiriting that people are encouraged be happy with mediocrity simply because a full 365 days ago we were in the relegation zone. It’s nothing more than conning yourself that things are fantastic because they could have been even sh**ter. Even I, one of the greatest pessimists in the fan base, had nothing to complain about when we beat Ipswich just a few days ago, then that **** Coughlan made a momentous day all about him and flounced off to Mansfield. It sticks in the throat that we had very little chance to enjoy and appreciate that brief ascendency. Just a few days later we’re now being asked to accept that it was never happening from the start and that we should be grateful to be mid table a year on. Edit: mis-read the OP.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 1, 2020 18:01:10 GMT
The big issue is if BG wants to change the way we play is whether Wael's prepared to back him this month in the transfer market with some decent signings, this summer suggests that's unlikely, particularly if he can't offload the likes of Bennett. The other issue is whether BG's signings will be DC or GC standard if Wael does back him.
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Post by axegas on Jan 1, 2020 18:03:47 GMT
Just a reminder that Garner hasn't even been in his job for two weeks yet and has had to deal with 8 injuries, players playing through sickness and a hectic Christmas period that has taken its toll on the group. Yes today was disappointing and we were outplayed for large periods of the game, there is no hiding from that fact. However, let's not judge Garner until late January at the very least when he will have more time on the training field to embed his style of playing, an opportunity to bring his own players into the football club and a few more first team players available to select. Pointless saying "if Coughlan was still here" ect because he isn't, he's gone off to Mansfield and we've now got Ben Garner as our manager. We still find ourselves in the top half of the league, level on points with the playoffs and in two cup competitions. Considering that a year ago we were fighting for our lives to stay in this division, that's really not a bad place to be. With respect I always find it a bit dis-spiriting that people are encouraged be happy with mediocrity simply because a full 365 days ago we were in the relegation zone. It’s nothing more than conning yourself that things are fantastic because they could have been even sh**ter. Even I, one of the greatest pessimists in the fan base, had nothing to complain about when we beat Ipswich just a few days ago, then that **** Coughlan made a momentous day all about him and flounced off to Mansfield. It sticks in the throat that we had very little chance to enjoy and appreciate that brief ascendency. Just a few days later we’re now being asked to accept that it was never happening from the start and that we should be grateful we probably won’t have a relegation battle this season. Sorry, but it’s absolutely right to be annoyed at the way things have turned out. It’s all Coughlan’s fault, ultimately. But it looks like the board may not have handled the transition period very well at all. We shouldn’t be cajoled into trying to find crumbs of comfort in last season. I'm not encouraging anyone to be happy, I'm as annoyed as anyone of our performance today and that Coughlan left us in the lurch to go to Mansfield. This football club deserves a lot better. I'm encouraging people to look at the bigger picture as we are in trouble of a dark cloud descending over the football club again over just a few results that will affect players and management staff alike when there really needn't be given our position. We shouldn't be so quick to point the finger at Garner, he inherited a difficult situation and hasn't had any time at all yet to try and stamp his impression on the football club. The fact that some are already getting on his back is IMO ridiculous and short sighted.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 1, 2020 18:09:40 GMT
The big issue is if BG wants to change the way we play is whether Wael's prepared to back him this month in the transfer market with some decent signings, this summer suggests that's unlikely, particularly if he can't offload the likes of Bennett. The other issue is whether BG's signings will be DC or GC standard if Wael does back him. I imagine during his interview they discussed style of play and whether it would change, and what would be required by way of signings to support that change (if any). Our best hope, imo, is that our recent decent signings have been down to TW and little to do with GC.
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Post by Okebournegas on Jan 1, 2020 18:14:52 GMT
I trust / back Garner 100% he needs to be given time. UTG !!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 1, 2020 18:15:11 GMT
With respect I always find it a bit dis-spiriting that people are encouraged be happy with mediocrity simply because a full 365 days ago we were in the relegation zone. It’s nothing more than conning yourself that things are fantastic because they could have been even sh**ter. Even I, one of the greatest pessimists in the fan base, had nothing to complain about when we beat Ipswich just a few days ago, then that **** Coughlan made a momentous day all about him and flounced off to Mansfield. It sticks in the throat that we had very little chance to enjoy and appreciate that brief ascendency. Just a few days later we’re now being asked to accept that it was never happening from the start and that we should be grateful we probably won’t have a relegation battle this season. Sorry, but it’s absolutely right to be annoyed at the way things have turned out. It’s all Coughlan’s fault, ultimately. But it looks like the board may not have handled the transition period very well at all. We shouldn’t be cajoled into trying to find crumbs of comfort in last season. I'm not encouraging anyone to be happy, I'm as annoyed as anyone of our performance today and that Coughlan left us in the lurch to go to Mansfield. This football club deserves a lot better. I'm encouraging people to look at the bigger picture as we are in trouble of a dark cloud descending over the football club again over just a few results that will affect players and management staff alike when there really needn't be given our position. People shouldn't be so quick to point the finger at Garner, he inherited a difficult situation and hasn't had any time at all yet to try and stamp his impression on the football club. The fact that people are already getting on his back is IMO ridiculous and short sighted. What's a "difficult situation" about taking over at top 6 side on a long undefeated run? Davey & Maher showed in their couple of games in charge that the players didn't appear to have been affected by GC's departure.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 18:19:23 GMT
I'm not encouraging anyone to be happy, I'm as annoyed as anyone of our performance today and that Coughlan left us in the lurch to go to Mansfield. This football club deserves a lot better. I'm encouraging people to look at the bigger picture as we are in trouble of a dark cloud descending over the football club again over just a few results that will affect players and management staff alike when there really needn't be given our position. People shouldn't be so quick to point the finger at Garner, he inherited a difficult situation and hasn't had any time at all yet to try and stamp his impression on the football club. The fact that people are already getting on his back is IMO ridiculous and short sighted. What's a "difficult situation" about taking over at top 6 side on a long undefeated run? Davey & Maher showed in their couple of games in charge that the players didn't appear to have been affected by GC's departure. Injuries,suspensions,getting too know the players plus lots of other reasons can’t you see that or don’t you want to?
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Post by axegas on Jan 1, 2020 18:21:11 GMT
I'm not encouraging anyone to be happy, I'm as annoyed as anyone of our performance today and that Coughlan left us in the lurch to go to Mansfield. This football club deserves a lot better. I'm encouraging people to look at the bigger picture as we are in trouble of a dark cloud descending over the football club again over just a few results that will affect players and management staff alike when there really needn't be given our position. People shouldn't be so quick to point the finger at Garner, he inherited a difficult situation and hasn't had any time at all yet to try and stamp his impression on the football club. The fact that people are already getting on his back is IMO ridiculous and short sighted. What's a "difficult situation" about taking over at top 6 side on a long undefeated run? Davey & Maher showed in their couple of games in charge that the players didn't appear to have been affected by GC's departure. Taking over from a manager that achieved a good amount of success with expectations sky high as a result, given an injury ravaged squad and told to play 3 games in the space of a week and not having much of a budget to work with in January. Sure, there are managers that will deal with worse but it hasn't been easy for Garner so far I would say.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 1, 2020 18:24:18 GMT
Just a reminder that Garner hasn't even been in his job for two weeks yet and has had to deal with 8 injuries, players playing through sickness and a hectic Christmas period that has taken its toll on the group. Yes today was disappointing and we were outplayed for large periods of the game, there is no hiding from that fact. However, let's not judge Garner until late January at the very least when he will have more time on the training field to embed his style of playing, an opportunity to bring his own players into the football club and a few more first team players available to select. Pointless saying "if Coughlan was still here" ect because he isn't, he's gone off to Mansfield and we've now got Ben Garner as our manager. We still find ourselves in the top half of the league, level on points with the playoffs and in two cup competitions. Considering that a year ago we were fighting for our lives to stay in this division, that's really not a bad place to be. With respect I always find it a bit dis-spiriting that people are encouraged be happy with mediocrity simply because a full 365 days ago we were in the relegation zone. It’s nothing more than conning yourself that things are fantastic because they could have been even sh**ter.Even I, one of the greatest pessimists in the fan base, had nothing to complain about when we beat Ipswich just a few days ago, then that **** Coughlan made a momentous day all about him and flounced off to Mansfield. It sticks in the throat that we had very little chance to enjoy and appreciate that brief ascendency. Just a few days later we’re now being asked to accept that it was never happening from the start and that we should be grateful to be mid table a year on. Edit: mis-read the OP. Spot on fella
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Post by Big Jock on Jan 1, 2020 18:30:04 GMT
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Jan 1, 2020 18:30:24 GMT
Reading some comments across the various posts and there are some belters out there. Coughlin wanted out and there is nothing we can do about that. We have been very lucky so far this season. If Southend had scored the 3rd goal - which was deserved - against us people would have been out for GCs head. We were lucky against Bromley and should have lost at home to Plymouth. AFC Wimbledon probably had the fewest chances any team has had against us - until today - but took them. Our luck ran out the day BG arrived. I believe he'll come good given time. As for the Holloway fan club, you apply for jobs not wait for the call. Didn't hear that quote myself but 'IF' that was the case then I am glad he's not here just to feed his ego
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 1, 2020 18:36:41 GMT
spot on Axe!
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Post by Hudson1883 on Jan 1, 2020 19:55:23 GMT
Just a reminder that Garner hasn't even been in his job for two weeks yet and has had to deal with 8 injuries, players playing through sickness and a hectic Christmas period that has taken its toll on the group. Yes today was disappointing and we were completely outplayed for large periods of the game, there is no hiding from that fact. However, let's not judge Garner until late January at the very least when he will have more time on the training field to embed his style of playing, an opportunity to bring his own players into the football club and a few more first team players available to select. Pointless saying "if Coughlan was still here" ect because he isn't, he's gone off to Mansfield and we've now got Ben Garner as our manager. We still find ourselves in the top half of the league, level on points with the playoffs and in two cup competitions. Considering that a year ago we were fighting for our lives to stay in this division, that's really not a bad place to be. Absolutely. BG has been in the door 10 days or so and as the man himself has said, day to day right now he’s merely preparing for games that are coming thick & fast, with no real time on the training ground to work with an develop the side. Add into the mix the fact our squad is decimated with injuries and we’ve now lost one of (if not the) best keeper in the league for 6-8 weeks. No time for panic at all, another 3 games in quick succession coming up but thankfully all at home. That was a 4th visit to MK now, with a record of 3 defeats and a draw. I’m not sure I’ll be returning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 19:59:04 GMT
He was spotted at Gordano Services with Cheryl Baker, Mike Nolan and Bobby Gee - could a musical collaboration be on the agenda?
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Post by oldgas on Jan 1, 2020 20:03:41 GMT
I trust / back Garner 100% he needs to be given time. UTG !! There's nothing else we can do, really. That C*** Coughlin sh1t all over us by going to Mansfield because they offered him more money. All that crap about missing his family was total bollox and he just used that to try and get the sympathy vote. Its far too early to blame Garner, he was chosen by the owners to be our manager and he now needs to be backed by them and us. Just one thing, I hope he's waiting to be supplied with proper club match day kit, because that brown puffa jacket thing he wears at the moment is crap and creates totally the wrong impression.
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Post by socrates on Jan 1, 2020 20:05:58 GMT
Just a reminder that Garner hasn't even been in his job for two weeks yet and has had to deal with 8 injuries, players playing through sickness and a hectic Christmas period that has taken its toll on the group. Yes today was disappointing and we were completely outplayed for large periods of the game, there is no hiding from that fact. However, let's not judge Garner until late January at the very least when he will have more time on the training field to embed his style of playing, an opportunity to bring his own players into the football club and a few more first team players available to select. Pointless saying "if Coughlan was still here" ect because he isn't, he's gone off to Mansfield and we've now got Ben Garner as our manager. We still find ourselves in the top half of the league, level on points with the playoffs and in two cup competitions. Considering that a year ago we were fighting for our lives to stay in this division, that's really not a bad place to be. Absolutely. BG has been in the door 10 days or so and as the man himself has said, day to day right now he’s merely preparing for games that are coming thick & fast, with no real time on the training ground to work with an develop the side. Add into the mix the fact our squad is decimated with injuries and we’ve now lost one of (if not the) best keeper in the league for 6-8 weeks. No time for panic at all, another 3 games in quick succession coming up but thankfully all at home. That was a 4th visit to MK now, with a record of 3 defeats and a draw. I’m not sure I’ll be returning. 6-8 weeks would be a quick recovery. For a keeper recovery is usually between 10-25 weeks depending on the severity of the injury. If they popped it back in without too much surrounding damage then hopefully just a couple of months. He’s been possibly our player of the season gutted to lose him..
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Post by Hudson1883 on Jan 1, 2020 20:14:23 GMT
Absolutely. BG has been in the door 10 days or so and as the man himself has said, day to day right now he’s merely preparing for games that are coming thick & fast, with no real time on the training ground to work with an develop the side. Add into the mix the fact our squad is decimated with injuries and we’ve now lost one of (if not the) best keeper in the league for 6-8 weeks. No time for panic at all, another 3 games in quick succession coming up but thankfully all at home. That was a 4th visit to MK now, with a record of 3 defeats and a draw. I’m not sure I’ll be returning. 6-8 weeks would be a quick recovery. For a keeper recovery is usually between 10-25 weeks depending on the severity of the injury. If they popped it back in without too much surrounding damage then hopefully just a couple of months. He’s been possibly our player of the season gutted to lose him.. A devastating loss. The one player we really couldn’t afford to lose & we have. He has been exceptional.
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