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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jan 28, 2020 22:24:05 GMT
16 points off the drop. Still plenty of points to be had. Where is our next win going to come from? Home to Mansfield Mid-Way through next seasons L2 campaign  Nah, we'll play them last game of the season, what could possibly go wrong there! |
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Post by socrates on Jan 28, 2020 22:24:55 GMT
But don't worry, Ben doesn't want to change his philosophy for the sake of quick wins. It's much better to be losing and playing sh**, than winning and playing ok. What a stunning philosophy To be honest when I heard him say that earlier it did further cement doubts in my mind that this isn’t going to work out long term as well as short term. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 28, 2020 22:24:57 GMT
They seemed to control the ball perfectly well before Garner took over. Its easier to control a forty yard hoof than attempting to play tippy tappy football in a space that you could throw a blanket over half of our team. All well and good if you have players with the ability to do that but unfortunately BG does not appear to have realised we do not have that luxury. GC would appear to have played his football with the tools he was given and no one can surely doubt he was successful doing it that way. I can buy part of your argument, but if you saw tonight on ifollow or were in the stadium then you'd have seen that it wasn't a case of playing tippy tappy football. The players had no idea where each other would be, which to me shows a lack of leadership and direction. Any professional is good enough to pick a simple pass out, but we seem to knock it for throw ins or straight to the opposition |
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Post by endicotton on Jan 28, 2020 22:25:14 GMT
Home to Mansfield Mid-Way through next seasons L2 campaign Nah, we'll play them last game of the season, what could possibly go wrong there! CockLand will be sacked by then |
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Post by socrates on Jan 28, 2020 22:28:15 GMT
Poor but perhaps a little better than recently until Bolton scored then we fell apart and were terrible for last 15 minutes. Ginnelly was useful on the wing and JCH seemed in a better mood but our midfield lacked any creativity again and it was painful watching Kilgour trying to be a right back. All in all no real signs of improvement and Garner has a lot to do. I think we were a bit better because Bolton didn’t play the press . Everyone has pressed us high up lately because they know we’re trying to play pretty football and we haven’t got the players to do it and that’s the main reason we’ve been sh** and not creating anything. Bolton didn’t play that way tonight and missed a trick to be honest. |
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Post by aghast on Jan 28, 2020 22:28:51 GMT
I still don't think there's any chance we will go down, but BG must be on the verge (or over it) of losing the players.
Two undefeated games will help towards the final tally, but our dim and distant promotion prospects are remote, to say the least. I bet JCH is praying someone, anyone, takes him.
This has the flavour of Graydon and Penney. A disaster in the making. Maybe too early to say that, but it's looking ominous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 22:34:04 GMT
Its easier to control a forty yard hoof than attempting to play tippy tappy football in a space that you could throw a blanket over half of our team. All well and good if you have players with the ability to do that but unfortunately BG does not appear to have realised we do not have that luxury. GC would appear to have played his football with the tools he was given and no one can surely doubt he was successful doing it that way. I can buy part of your argument, but if you saw tonight on ifollow or were in the stadium then you'd have seen that it wasn't a case of playing tippy tappy football. The players had no idea where each other would be, which to me shows a lack of leadership and direction. Any professional is good enough to pick a simple pass out, but we seem to knock it for throw ins or straight to the opposition I did watch the game on ifollow and perhaps the tippy tappy football comment I made could mean we are trying to play too many passes in confined spaces without the players with the ability to do so. Your last sentence about any professional footballer being able to pick a simple pass was certainly disproved by the majority of our players tonight. |
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Post by markczgas on Jan 28, 2020 22:36:32 GMT
I hope they enjoy L2 next season With us. I fear. If 10 go down this season then we're in a relegation fight for sure. |
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Post by farmygas on Jan 28, 2020 22:39:09 GMT
Statzone: 50% of Bolton's point total for the season has come from games against Bristol Rovers.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 28, 2020 22:40:19 GMT
Statzone: 50% of Bolton's point total for the season has come from games against Bristol Rovers. A misleading stat. |
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Post by cookinongas on Jan 28, 2020 22:44:51 GMT
We were sh**!!We looked like a sunday pub team. Kick it anywhere in any direction. No control ,wayward passing and strikers who couldn't strike a Dam match
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Post by Gassy on Jan 28, 2020 22:46:34 GMT
I can buy part of your argument, but if you saw tonight on ifollow or were in the stadium then you'd have seen that it wasn't a case of playing tippy tappy football. The players had no idea where each other would be, which to me shows a lack of leadership and direction. Any professional is good enough to pick a simple pass out, but we seem to knock it for throw ins or straight to the opposition I did watch the game on ifollow and perhaps the tippy tappy football comment I made could mean we are trying to play too many passes in confined spaces without the players with the ability to do so. Your last sentence about any professional footballer being able to pick a simple pass was certainly disproved by the majority of our players tonight.Well that's exactly my point. At least before Ben our players knew what they were supposed to do |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 28, 2020 22:50:14 GMT
Gutting to throw that away and the next two look very tough - can’t see us beating Cov at home or Wycombe away.
Tranmere away (on their cabbage patch of a pitch that really won’t suit our new ‘style’) looks like the next reasonable shot we have at getting 3 points.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 28, 2020 22:52:00 GMT
I wish him the best and think this is a decent appointment (but history makes my judgement somewhat irrelevant), but in honesty what are our expectations? As I'm not sure.... I think the statement probably sums it up 'finish as high as possible' I get the feeling it would be as follows: Top 2 = Ultimate dreamland goal Top 6 = Big goal & achievable, but will be seen as a huge achievement Top 10 = Minimum realistic 11th & Lower = Not good at all I like the statement from Starnes, this plan they've put together I get the feeling is to carry on what we're going right now, hence the keeping of the backroom staff. Let's not rock the boat & why change what is working? If JCH is thinking about going, I wonder if BG will speak to him saying along the lines of 'give me this season, if we don't go up then I'll personally call my contacts myself and let you go in the summer'. From the Garner appointed thread! Well I thought 11th & lower would be viewed as bad by the end of the season, not within a month! So sad reading this post - the plan they've put together and not rocking the boat  |
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Post by gasstrictband on Jan 28, 2020 22:53:14 GMT
Ben,your still looking what your searching for.
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Post by axegas on Jan 28, 2020 23:10:56 GMT
It was arguably the best performance we’ve had so far under Garner, if we’d defended that set piece better, we would all be in a much better mood. Perfecting the way that Garner wants us to play is going to take time and there have been signs over the last couple of games of improvement. I think the tide will turn and results will start going our way again it’s just not going to happen instantly, Garner was talking about two signings and one of them being permanent so that will help.
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Post by xenongas on Jan 28, 2020 23:11:03 GMT
Having only followed the live text for the game and comments on this thread, it seems like we should have won tonight?
Bolton are poor and are going down and that has to be taken into account but by the sounds of it we were creating more chances tonight which can only be a good thing? Goals breed confidence so I'm really hoping tonight's is the first of many over the next month.
Relegation talk is self pitying nonsense. Even with current form we'd be safe. How different the world would be without a missed penalty and a goal line clearance in the last two games!
The goalless monkey is off the back now. The 3 points monkey is still there - Saturday is a chance for him to bugger off too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 23:16:06 GMT
It was arguably the best performance we’ve had so far under Garner, if we’d defended that set piece better, we would all be in a much better mood. Perfecting the way that Garner wants us to play is going to take time and there have been signs over the last couple of games of improvement. I think the tide will turn and results will start going our way again it’s just not going to happen instantly, Garner was talking about two signings and one of them being permanent so that will help. Can't help but find it baffling why we seemingly wanted to quite significantly change course after being in touching distance of the top two. The opportunity we had in a pretty average L1 won't present itself for a good while I suspect. Very frustrated. |
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Post by axegas on Jan 28, 2020 23:17:55 GMT
It was arguably the best performance we’ve had so far under Garner, if we’d defended that set piece better, we would all be in a much better mood. Perfecting the way that Garner wants us to play is going to take time and there have been signs over the last couple of games of improvement. I think the tide will turn and results will start going our way again it’s just not going to happen instantly, Garner was talking about two signings and one of them being permanent so that will help. Can't help but find it baffling why we seemingly wanted to quite significantly change course after being in touching distance of the top two. The opportunity we had in a pretty average L1 won't present itself for a good while I suspect. Very frustrated. I think we would have been found out under Coughlan and wouldn’t be in the playoffs under him either. It’s something we will never know really. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 23:25:00 GMT
Can't help but find it baffling why we seemingly wanted to quite significantly change course after being in touching distance of the top two. The opportunity we had in a pretty average L1 won't present itself for a good while I suspect. Very frustrated. I think we would have been found out under Coughlan and wouldn’t be in the playoffs under him either. It’s something we will never know really. Who knows. The fact is that he was getting a winning tune out of a limited squad over the course of a calendar year. |
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