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Jan 29, 2020 0:06:42 GMT
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Post by lmgas on Jan 29, 2020 0:06:42 GMT
How long has Garner got?
Since he arrived our record has been shocking:
P10 W0 D4 L6 F4 A17
19/20 prior to his appointment: P30 W15 D9 L6 F42 A32
The next two games - Coventry and Wycombe - look like two more losses to me.
I really hope I'm wrong and he turns it around, no doubt this thread will be flagged if he does, but I can't see him being here by the end of March, we have some really tough fixtures then.
I'm sure some people won't appreciate this post but I genuinely wonder what we think, do you still believe in his appointment or do we think it's doomed?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 0:34:49 GMT
It would help if the people at the top would communicate what the Dam plan is. Evolution not revolution then we rip up a team that was sat in fourth and look to completely revolutionise the way we play etc. I assume it's a long term appointment and barring relegation he will be here again next season. Yay...fingers crossed it works.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 0:38:39 GMT
I think he will be given until at least the middle of september next season. Him and wael share the same dream of a team of young players being developed and playing neat on the deck football. Like many of us supporters wael would not have enjoyed the brutal but effective coughlan style,in fact its easy to visualise wael and garner waxing lyrical about their plans which of course in time will include a cat 2 academy and state of the art training facilty.
Some posters on here are backing that vision and i really hope they are right but i just honestly believe it will end in tears. Despite that we do have some very good players at the club so who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 1:10:20 GMT
I think he will be given until at least the middle of september next season. Him and wael share the same dream of a team of young players being developed and playing neat on the deck football. Like many of us supporters wael would not have enjoyed the brutal but effective coughlan style,in fact its easy to visualise wael and garner waxing lyrical about their plans which of course in time will include a cat 2 academy and state of the art training facilty. Some posters on here are backing that vision and i really hope they are right but i just honestly believe it will end in tears. Despite that we do have some very good players at the club so who knows? Even under Coughlan they weren’t very good. The best this lot can do is execute an agricultural game plan effectively as Coughlan proved and that was probably more down to man management. Change the record and they just aren’t up to it. Coughlan was holding the whole bloody lot together and now he’s left the quality is getting badly exposed. Such a shame. Given Mansfield’s results it looks like he’s f**ked everyone involved over. As for the title of the post: if they sack him before the end of the season where do they go? I don’t think there will be many managers champing at the bit to take on a side in free fall that looks short on quality. I didn’t think Garner would return after his leave but now he is back in post I can see Wael standing by him simply because he won’t know what else to do. He will be here in August imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 1:19:25 GMT
I think he will be given until at least the middle of september next season. Him and wael share the same dream of a team of young players being developed and playing neat on the deck football. Like many of us supporters wael would not have enjoyed the brutal but effective coughlan style,in fact its easy to visualise wael and garner waxing lyrical about their plans which of course in time will include a cat 2 academy and state of the art training facilty. Some posters on here are backing that vision and i really hope they are right but i just honestly believe it will end in tears. Despite that we do have some very good players at the club so who knows? Even under Coughlan they weren’t very good. The best this lot can do is execute an agricultural game plan effectively as Coughlan proved and that was probably more down to man management. Change the record and they just aren’t up to it. Coughlan was holding the whole bloody lot together and now he’s left the quality is getting badly exposed. Such a shame. Given Mansfield’s results it looks like he’s f**ked everyone involved over. As for the title of the post: if they sack him before the end of the season where do they go? I don’t think there will be many managers champing at the bit to take on a side in free fall that looks short on quality. I didn’t think Garner would return after his leave but now he is back in post I can see Wael standing by him simply because he won’t know what else to do. He will be here in August imo. I was not a fan of him but towards the end of the coughlan era i could see we were becoming a formidable team and we were more aggressive and pro-active than before. Then he left! I have no proof but i still think there is information missing on the whole coughlan out garner in story and i also dont blame coughlan for leaving.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 1:31:57 GMT
Even under Coughlan they weren’t very good. The best this lot can do is execute an agricultural game plan effectively as Coughlan proved and that was probably more down to man management. Change the record and they just aren’t up to it. Coughlan was holding the whole bloody lot together and now he’s left the quality is getting badly exposed. Such a shame. Given Mansfield’s results it looks like he’s f**ked everyone involved over. As for the title of the post: if they sack him before the end of the season where do they go? I don’t think there will be many managers champing at the bit to take on a side in free fall that looks short on quality. I didn’t think Garner would return after his leave but now he is back in post I can see Wael standing by him simply because he won’t know what else to do. He will be here in August imo. I was not a fan of him but towards the end of the coughlan era i could see we were becoming a formidable team and we were more aggressive and pro-active than before. Then he left! I have no proof but i still think there is information missing on the whole coughlan out garner in story and i also dont blame coughlan for leaving. Agree with that- it certainly wouldn't surprise me given some of the quotes that have been knocking around that the club had Garner lined up and Coughlan was under pressure to get the crowds back. Bugger me, we didn't know we were born under Coughlan did we? But having said that why approach Nathan Jones if Garner was always the board's man? Unless that was just paper talk from the Bristol post...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 1:40:46 GMT
I was not a fan of him but towards the end of the coughlan era i could see we were becoming a formidable team and we were more aggressive and pro-active than before. Then he left! I have no proof but i still think there is information missing on the whole coughlan out garner in story and i also dont blame coughlan for leaving. Agree with that- it certainly wouldn't surprise me given some of the quotes that have been knocking around that the club had Garner lined up and Coughlan was under pressure to get the crowds back. Bugger me, we didn't know we were born under Coughlan did we? But having said that why approach Nathan Jones if Garner was always the board's man? Unless that was just paper talk from the Bristol post... Im a bit sceptical about the nathan jones approach and i am not implying wael was "lining up garner" just some information is missing,not sure what it is.
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Jan 29, 2020 6:14:11 GMT
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Post by pirate on Jan 29, 2020 6:14:11 GMT
Agree with that- it certainly wouldn't surprise me given some of the quotes that have been knocking around that the club had Garner lined up and Coughlan was under pressure to get the crowds back. Bugger me, we didn't know we were born under Coughlan did we? But having said that why approach Nathan Jones if Garner was always the board's man? Unless that was just paper talk from the Bristol post... Im a bit sceptical about the nathan jones approach and i am not implying wael was "lining up garner" just some information is missing,not sure what it is. We definitely approached Nathan Jones and had a meeting with him but he turned us down because he believes he can still get a job at Championship level.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 29, 2020 7:56:09 GMT
glad to see the vast majority on here have confidence in the manager,
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 29, 2020 8:19:21 GMT
Garner's transfer activity is as almost a big a concern as the results to me as I can't see what Barrett & Mitchell-Lewis add to the squad, apart from numbers We've still not replaced Lines and now have just Reilly as a striker after JCH, what happens if JCH picks up another injury?
Perhaps BG was so desperate to get a job he was content to take it with the cut in the playing budget GC apparently warned fans was coming? Although he can't lose as if he does get sacked he'll still pick up another 2 years wages.
I guess the big question is when does the atmosphere get so toxic, Buckle style, at the Mem that the BoD have to act?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 8:23:15 GMT
Success for me. First up as a new manager you need transfer windows. Yes he is getting January but it is obvious there is some stubborn deadwood to shift hampering transactions. Secondly, well if you always think negatively then nothing positive will happen right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 8:23:45 GMT
Get rid now
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 29, 2020 8:34:33 GMT
I really can’t see the point in getting rid at this stage.
The season’s now a write-off in terms of Play Off aspirations, and it’s extremely unlikely we’re going to be dragged into the relegation survival scrap IMO.
I’d give him until at least the beginning of October. By that stage he’d have had the second half of this season to work with the players, re-shaped the squad in his vision over the summer, and had a couple of months to work with all the new players at the start of next season.
This was always going to be an appointment that required some patience, so I’m willing to show some.
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Post by blueridge on Jan 29, 2020 8:37:58 GMT
Think he’ll be here until at least November - Wael will give him the chance, assuming he’s still here next season. Wael & Garner strike me as being similar personalities (hence the appointment) - nice guys - but leaders of men - not so sure!,
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Post by Hudson1883 on Jan 29, 2020 8:42:29 GMT
Every manager, no matter what level, deserves a full summer’s work with a squad that they themselves can knuckle down with on the training ground.
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Post by mullerrd on Jan 29, 2020 8:49:28 GMT
Despite saving us from near certain relegation in his first season, and a 64% points gained record in his second, Graham Coughlan was undermined by a significant, and vociferous minority both on the forums and at the Mem. I believe this to have been a significant reason for his departure.
And now it is happening again!
FFS get off Ben Garner's back and give the guy a break. He clearly has a brief to address fans' concerns about so called boring and defensive football and is putting in place the pieces needed.
There was evidence in last night's game of a new and more positive approach but it will take time to turn things around and for results to be achieved on a consistent level. The rest of the season should be regarded as nothinv more than a transitional step in a longer term plan.
There is no pleasing some and this thread is typical of the keyboard warrior negativity which is currently taking hold of BRFC.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 29, 2020 8:56:13 GMT
Garner's transfer activity is as almost a big a concern as the results to me as I can't see what Barrett & Mitchell-Lewis add to the squad, apart from numbers We've still not replaced Lines and now have just Reilly as a striker after JCH, what happens if JCH picks up another injury? Perhaps BG was so desperate to get a job he was content to take it with the cut in the playing budget GC apparently warned fans was coming? Although he can't lose as if he does get sacked he'll still pick up another 2 years wages. I guess the big question is when does the atmosphere get so toxic, Buckle style, at the Mem that the BoD have to act? How many games should you give a new player ? 0.5, 2, 10, half a season ? How many games should you give a new manager ? 0.5, 2, 10, half a season, a whole season ?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 29, 2020 8:58:59 GMT
GC's success has essentially given us the luxury of half a season to bed in a new manager. It would be mad not to take that opportunity.
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Post by brads213 on Jan 29, 2020 9:01:05 GMT
He should go now
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Post by Gassy on Jan 29, 2020 9:01:46 GMT
I'm glad to see there are a lot more positive people on here than me in wanting Ben to be given all season + summer etc.
I just hope that if it doesn't work out, those same people don't come on here slating our ownership for not getting rid earlier as 'the signs were there'.
Hindsight is always a wonderful thing but you cant have it both ways
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