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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 14:04:27 GMT
bloke can't help himself Boris has stood up and said no country has a working track and trace I will tell my son to remove the app from his phone and not to scan it every time he enters a public area, malls, bars, restaurants. (Singapore) It worked so well, along with an enforceable lockdown, they just fully reopened.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 23, 2020 14:13:45 GMT
What the f**k is even the criteria for opening things up
Why can a Barber shop open, but not a Tattoo shop?
How is a pub anymore clean or hygienic than a Gym or swimming Pool?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 15:46:28 GMT
What the f**k is even the criteria for opening things up Why can a Barber shop open, but not a Tattoo shop? How is a pub anymore clean or hygienic than a Gym or swimming Pool? It's aimed at us middle class chaps who do not have tattoos (a vile habit) but like to cut our hair and for going to the gym, well that's a ridiculous conceptđ
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 9:35:54 GMT
UK stats.
Be vigilant, it's not over yet.
- highest excess death rate in world - 2nd worst death rate by population - up to half of deaths in UK could be people in care homes - 100s of health workers dead - still nearly 1000 new cases a day
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Post by francegas on Jun 26, 2020 9:00:00 GMT
UK stats. Be vigilant, it's not over yet. - highest excess death rate in world - 2nd worst death rate by population - up to half of deaths in UK could be people in care homes - 100s of health workers dead - still nearly 1000 new cases a day 1. Highest excess death rate in the world..... There are over 220 countries in the world I have never seen anything published where every country has declared their excess death rate. 2. 2nd worst death rate by population.... I assume you mean deaths/Million. Belgium, San Marino, Andorra all higher than the UK. Let's wait until until it's over and every country declares their true number of deaths. Many countries do not include deaths in care homes, at home etc. Personlly I do not believe true figures will ever be known. 3. Care Home deaths.... Not a lot to add other than private care homes need to accept some level of responsibility rather than put all the blame on the government. 4. 100s of care workers dead....every death is a tragedy. No one can categorically state every care worker contracted covid in the work place. 5. Nearly 1000 new cases per day.....is it any wonder when 500,000 idiots converge on Dorset to spend a day at the beach and 1000s of Liverpool fans celebrate them winning the league. Wait for the second spike and no doubt that'll be the governments fault. Not getting into an argument with anyone on this (not after what happened to Nobby) just stating my view.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 26, 2020 9:13:40 GMT
UK stats. Be vigilant, it's not over yet. - highest excess death rate in world - 2nd worst death rate by population - up to half of deaths in UK could be people in care homes - 100s of health workers dead - still nearly 1000 new cases a day 1. Highest excess death rate in the world..... There are over 220 countries in the world I have never seen anything published where every country has declared their excess death rate. 2. 2nd worst death rate by population.... I assume you mean deaths/Million. Belgium, San Marino, Andorra all higher than the UK. Let's wait until until it's over and every country declares their true number of deaths. Many countries do not include deaths in care homes, at home etc. Personlly I do not believe true figures will ever be known. 3. Care Home deaths.... Not a lot to add other than private care homes need to accept some level of responsibility rather than put all the blame on the government. 4. 100s of care workers dead....every death is a tragedy. No one can categorically state every care worker contracted covid in the work place. 5. Nearly 1000 new cases per day.....is it any wonder when 500,000 idiots converge on Dorset to spend a day at the beach and 1000s of Liverpool fans celebrate them winning the league. Wait for the second spike and no doubt that'll be the governments fault. Not getting into an argument with anyone on this (not after what happened to Nobby) just stating my view. No need for an arguement and I agree with your points one and two. A genuine comparison will be hard especially with less open countries. What I do think though is that excess deaths is a good barometer, provided it remains that and not taken as gospel. For a start it could include other causes but linked indirectly, such as untreated illnesses caused by non attendance. I do disagree on the other points and that government have to take responsibility on the care homes ('we have thrown a protective ring' - no it was getting people out of the NHS system in my view - total abrogation of responsibility) and the luke warm lockdown, both in a delay and since the Cummings incident. 20,000 deaths was touted as a good result, it is at least twice that.
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 26, 2020 9:57:53 GMT
1. Highest excess death rate in the world..... There are over 220 countries in the world I have never seen anything published where every country has declared their excess death rate. 2. 2nd worst death rate by population.... I assume you mean deaths/Million. Belgium, San Marino, Andorra all higher than the UK. Let's wait until until it's over and every country declares their true number of deaths. Many countries do not include deaths in care homes, at home etc. Personlly I do not believe true figures will ever be known. 3. Care Home deaths.... Not a lot to add other than private care homes need to accept some level of responsibility rather than put all the blame on the government. 4. 100s of care workers dead....every death is a tragedy. No one can categorically state every care worker contracted covid in the work place. 5. Nearly 1000 new cases per day.....is it any wonder when 500,000 idiots converge on Dorset to spend a day at the beach and 1000s of Liverpool fans celebrate them winning the league. Wait for the second spike and no doubt that'll be the governments fault. Not getting into an argument with anyone on this (not after what happened to Nobby) just stating my view. No need for an arguement and I agree with your points one and two. A genuine comparison will be hard especially with less open countries. What I do think though is that excess deaths is a good barometer, provided it remains that and not taken as gospel. For a start it could include other causes but linked indirectly, such as untreated illnesses caused by non attendance. I do disagree on the other points and that government have to take responsibility on the care homes ('we have thrown a protective ring' - no it was getting people out of the NHS system in my view - total abrogation of responsibility) and the luke warm lockdown, both in a delay and since the Cummings incident. 20,000 deaths was touted as a good result, it is at least twice that. Hopefully, the heat will kill off the virus. It`s like Nebuchadnezzar`s fiery furnace in my front room. I switched off the thermostat in my tropical fish tank several days ago, but the water is still a worrying 84 degrees. If it goes any higher, I`ll be able to sell them with chips.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 26, 2020 10:10:08 GMT
No need for an arguement and I agree with your points one and two. A genuine comparison will be hard especially with less open countries. What I do think though is that excess deaths is a good barometer, provided it remains that and not taken as gospel. For a start it could include other causes but linked indirectly, such as untreated illnesses caused by non attendance. I do disagree on the other points and that government have to take responsibility on the care homes ('we have thrown a protective ring' - no it was getting people out of the NHS system in my view - total abrogation of responsibility) and the luke warm lockdown, both in a delay and since the Cummings incident. 20,000 deaths was touted as a good result, it is at least twice that. Hopefully, the heat will kill off the virus.  It`s like Nebuchadnezzar`s fiery furnace in my front room. I switched off the thermostat in my tropical fish tank several days ago, but the water is still a worrying 84 degrees. If it goes any higher, I`ll be able to sell them with chips. Unfortunately I donât think the heat makes much difference to the virus. The WHO said this a while ago, although theyâve changed their minds a lot recently. Florida is spiking and itâs 32 degrees everyday. I think itâs more down to behaviour, than anything else. EG, in winter people tend to meet up indoors, rather than outdoors. They get more public transport, rather than walk/cycle etc.
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Post by blueridge on Jun 26, 2020 11:10:35 GMT
UK stats. Be vigilant, it's not over yet. - highest excess death rate in world - 2nd worst death rate by population - up to half of deaths in UK could be people in care homes - 100s of health workers dead - still nearly 1000 new cases a day 1. Highest excess death rate in the world..... There are over 220 countries in the world I have never seen anything published where every country has declared their excess death rate. 2. 2nd worst death rate by population.... I assume you mean deaths/Million. Belgium, San Marino, Andorra all higher than the UK. Let's wait until until it's over and every country declares their true number of deaths. Many countries do not include deaths in care homes, at home etc. Personlly I do not believe true figures will ever be known. 3. Care Home deaths.... Not a lot to add other than private care homes need to accept some level of responsibility rather than put all the blame on the government. 4. 100s of care workers dead....every death is a tragedy. No one can categorically state every care worker contracted covid in the work place. 5. Nearly 1000 new cases per day.....is it any wonder when 500,000 idiots converge on Dorset to spend a day at the beach and 1000s of Liverpool fans celebrate them winning the league. Wait for the second spike and no doubt that'll be the governments fault. Not getting into an argument with anyone on this (not after what happened to Nobby) just stating my view. I believe its around 200 care workers that have died out of an NHS workforce of over 1.4 million and that's not including Care Home workers - possibly, statistically less as percentage than the deaths in the whole population. And whose to say they didn't catch the disease outside of their working environment. Some people will latch on to anything to portray negativity - little or no mention of the ÂŁ13.4 billion pound write off of the NHS debt. Many deaths in the care homes were patients that had been returned there from NHS hospitals without being checked for CV19 prior to release. There are around 17,000 care homes in the UK with a population of over 400,000 - with over 60% above the age of 85. Again, statistically the number of deaths tragic as they are averages circa 1.5 deaths per care home - Easy to compare apples with pears if it suits.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 11:59:16 GMT
There some things this Government had control over, some they did not. They had control over 1. PPE stockpiles 2. Timing of lockdown 3. The distribution of supplies.
Of those three, they made a pig's ear of all of them.
To balance they made a good job of organising the NHS to handle a potential tsunami of dangerously unwell people. (Albeit their mistakes may have been a causal factor of that volume)
Perhaps, yet to be seen, are the economic policies set by Sunak and their success in preventing depression. Early signs are good that a reasonable degree of demand has been maintained. Now for some tax cuts. Nothing like a bit of good old Keynesian policy response.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 26, 2020 12:05:04 GMT
There some things this Government had control over, some they did not. They had control over 1. PPE stockpiles 2. Timing of lockdown 3. The distribution of supplies. Of those three, they made a pig's ear of all of them. To balance they made a good job of organising the NHS to handle a potential tsunami of dangerously unwell people. (Albeit their mistakes may have been a causal factor of that volume) Perhaps, yet to be seen, are the economic policies set by Sunak and their success in preventing depression. Early signs are good that a reasonable degree of demand has been maintained. Now for some tax cuts. Nothing like a bit of good old Keynesian policy response. Donât forget the number of tests. Which follows onto Blueridges point, if patients who died in care homes were released from hospital because they werenât checked for Covid - it begs the question of why do we think that was? Probably because of a lack of testing...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 12:12:35 GMT
There some things this Government had control over, some they did not. They had control over 1. PPE stockpiles 2. Timing of lockdown 3. The distribution of supplies. Of those three, they made a pig's ear of all of them. To balance they made a good job of organising the NHS to handle a potential tsunami of dangerously unwell people. (Albeit their mistakes may have been a causal factor of that volume) Perhaps, yet to be seen, are the economic policies set by Sunak and their success in preventing depression. Early signs are good that a reasonable degree of demand has been maintained. Now for some tax cuts. Nothing like a bit of good old Keynesian policy response. Donât forget the number of tests. Which follows onto Blueridges point, if patients who died in care homes were released from hospital because they werenât checked for Covid - it begs the question of why do we think that was? Probably because of a lack of testing... Yes of course. But I am not convinced they had control over they supply of testing kit, and even less over the lab capacity to undertake the analysis. For me, and this is a prime example, the problem is the utter lack of honesty by the Government. Instead of treating us like adults and told us of the issues they faced, they lied and made it up. That's unforgivable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 13:55:44 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53190209How he has got the cheek to criticise other countries God only knows- Mr Johnson said people in some countries had been "mingling too much" and "not observing social distancing". We had 10âs of thousands shoulder to shoulder at protests where the police held their coats for them! Trying to keep people respecting lockdown after that is practically impossible. One expert even said an absence of large public gatherings was one of the key reasons why Europe was able to progress out of lockdown. What was done about the Liverpool fans last night and the rioters in Brixton? Sod all. We need to get our own house in order before Johnson starts trying to make an example of our peers. Weâve been an utter disgrace during this âlockdownâ.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 8:14:49 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53190209How he has got the cheek to criticise other countries God only knows- Mr Johnson said people in some countries had been "mingling too much" and "not observing social distancing". We had 10âs of thousands shoulder to shoulder at protests where the police held their coats for them! Trying to keep people respecting lockdown after that is practically impossible. One expert even said an absence of large public gatherings was one of the key reasons why Europe was able to progress out of lockdown. What was done about the Liverpool fans last night and the rioters in Brixton? Sod all. We need to get our own house in order before Johnson starts trying to make an example of our peers. Weâve been an utter disgrace during this âlockdownâ. There were huge mass BLM protests in Germany and France. www.foxnews.com/world/george-floyd-blm-protests-take-place-on-3-continentsMajority at those events wore masks anyway, doesn't seem to be any spikes due to the protests surprisingly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 8:26:13 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53190209How he has got the cheek to criticise other countries God only knows- Mr Johnson said people in some countries had been "mingling too much" and "not observing social distancing". We had 10âs of thousands shoulder to shoulder at protests where the police held their coats for them! Trying to keep people respecting lockdown after that is practically impossible. One expert even said an absence of large public gatherings was one of the key reasons why Europe was able to progress out of lockdown. What was done about the Liverpool fans last night and the rioters in Brixton? Sod all. We need to get our own house in order before Johnson starts trying to make an example of our peers. Weâve been an utter disgrace during this âlockdownâ. There were huge mass BLM protests in Germany and France. www.foxnews.com/world/george-floyd-blm-protests-take-place-on-3-continentsMajority at those events wore masks anyway, doesn't seem to be any spikes due to the protests surprisingly. OMG!!! You are referencing Fox News!! Firing squad at dawn for you sirđđ
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 8:46:46 GMT
OMG!!! You are referencing Fox News!! Firing squad at dawn for you sirđđ Endorsed by the leader of the free world so it must be legit?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 8:49:54 GMT
OMG!!! You are referencing Fox News!! Firing squad at dawn for you sirđđ Endorsed by the leader of the free world so it must be legit? To compound your obvious deviancy, you invoke the devil incarnate. Punishment is revised to hung, drawn and quartered.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 20:31:08 GMT
Leicester back into lockdown. Will this act as a deterrent to all the idiots around the country who have selfishly been having street parties, gathering in huge numbers at beaches, celebrating football and protesting? Will this make people realise the situation is still very real?
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 29, 2020 21:09:06 GMT
I have a question that perhaps Officer B can help with. I'm intrigued as to how the Armed Forces have fared with Covid,infection rates,deaths etc.,bearing in mind they live in close proximity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 21:46:25 GMT
Leicester back into lockdown. Will this act as a deterrent to all the idiots around the country who have selfishly been having street parties, gathering in huge numbers at beaches, celebrating football and protesting? Will this make people realise the situation is still very real? Has any of that been happening in Leicester? Or is it to do with proximity in relatively poor housing conditions, a higher than average concentration of areas of social deprivation? Just asking because last time I looked Leicester was nowhere near a beach, it's football team had won nothing and there was no evidence of alcohol infused street parties. Wass fink Eric?
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