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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 23, 2020 13:44:53 GMT
www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-23-oxford-university-breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine?hp#Stock Market not reacting well to these Oxford University/Astra Zeneca interim results.Is this down to the lower effectiveness rates when compared to the Pfizer and Moderna results,or the fact Astra Zeneca are still saying they will knock these out at cost? Um... 2 things that stand out for me in this report,”Early indication that vaccine could reduce virus transmission from an observed reduction in asymptomatic infections” and “There were no hospitalised or severe cases in anyone who received the vaccine” Sounds very promising. Interesting isn't it. Some vaccines aim to stop you being able to get it completely and are slightly more effective but if you do get it, you have a normal risk. The other aims to get your body to develop T Cell antibody memory meaning that its slightly less effective in stopping you getting it but if you do, it will be less severe. An excellent chance of nothing and small chance of harm or a good chance of nothing and a no chance of harm. I was surprised to see stocks fall because the metric most useful is chance of harm surely? It is, quite simply, an incredible feat of science in the time we have had though.
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Post by baggins on Nov 23, 2020 15:01:33 GMT
I think Gassy could be right, the idiot may be having talks now about what will happen on the 2nd and it might be on the news at 7.30pm.
Could be wrong. Who knows.
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Post by oliverhelmet on Nov 23, 2020 15:04:44 GMT
www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-23-oxford-university-breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine?hp#Stock Market not reacting well to these Oxford University/Astra Zeneca interim results.Is this down to the lower effectiveness rates when compared to the Pfizer and Moderna results,or the fact Astra Zeneca are still saying they will knock these out at cost? Um... 2 things that stand out for me in this report,”Early indication that vaccine could reduce virus transmission from an observed reduction in asymptomatic infections” and “There were no hospitalised or severe cases in anyone who received the vaccine” Sounds very promising. Interesting isn't it. Some vaccines aim to stop you being able to get it completely and are slightly more effective but if you do get it, you have a normal risk. The other aims to get your body to develop T Cell antibody memory meaning that its slightly less effective in stopping you getting it but if you do, it will be less severe. An excellent chance of nothing and small chance of harm or a good chance of nothing and a no chance of harm. I was surprised to see stocks fall because the metric most useful is chance of harm surely? It is, quite simply, an incredible feat of science in the time we have had though. Yeh if there was a choice I think,at the moment,I would go for the Oxford T-Cell effort as I have 2 commorbidities so not getting COVID 19 severely would be a good outcome for me (not getting it at all would be best but risk versus reward sways me this way at the moment )Would obviously need to look at fine details in the final analysis but I don’t suppose any of us would have a say in which vaccine we might get anyway. Fully agree with your last sentence,brilliant work by all involved.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 15:20:30 GMT
William Have you visited Wilkins Farm? My village pub does an annual sojourn there every late autumn (apart from this year 😤) Many times, over the years. Great experience. Roger, one of England`s great characters. Was last there, about three weeks ago. Got a lift back as far as Bedminster Down, then staggered onto No 76 bus, with two five litre containers of medium cider stuffed into my back pack. Got to be done. Brilliant. A couple of years back took my son down there. It was brutally cold. Roger took this utensil, which looked like a domestic coal caddy, came back with steam rising from the top. Pouring half pint mugs of this steaming concoction we drank. It may have been cold, but not after that. He told us it was heated dry cider from the vat, half a bottle of gin, ground ginger and a half jar of local honey. Cures all known diseases. 😂
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Post by aghast on Nov 23, 2020 20:56:12 GMT
After the last year, I`d happily settle down with my two cats, five litres of Wilkins Farm cider, and make another start on C J Sansom`s "Tombland", for the umpteenth time. Don't blame you. It's usually the full on Family thing for me but this year, as long as they're open, I've got a table for 1 booked at the local, where I shall enjoy a load of beers and then back home to cook a full roast for my Father and I. Assuming Bristol and South Gloucestershire will likely be in Tier 2, you'd better prepare yourself for two Christmas dinners that day. No alcohol served unless accompanied by a 'substantial' meal. Seems ludicrous to me. Keeping this going throughout December is gojng to kill off hundreds of pubs, especially of course those that do not serve formal meals. Has anyone told the coronavirus that it's only allowed to infect people who are drinking but not eating?
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Post by baggins on Nov 24, 2020 6:10:26 GMT
Don't blame you. It's usually the full on Family thing for me but this year, as long as they're open, I've got a table for 1 booked at the local, where I shall enjoy a load of beers and then back home to cook a full roast for my Father and I. Assuming Bristol and South Gloucestershire will likely be in Tier 2, you'd better prepare yourself for two Christmas dinners that day. No alcohol served unless accompanied by a 'substantial' meal. Seems ludicrous to me. Keeping this going throughout December is gojng to kill off hundreds of pubs, especially of course those that do not serve formal meals. Has anyone told the coronavirus that it's only allowed to infect people who are drinking but not eating? I think we'll be tier 3. So I won't be in the pub until at least February. This virus is also more intelligent than I thought, it can actually tell when someone is in a pub and having a meal and when they're just in there having a beer. As for the vaccine, vulnerable will be sorted first, as they should, but they only say the majority of these will be given the shot by April, which means I and the rest of the Country won't get it until May next year. Frustrating that after hearing great news it's going to be another 6 months of crap.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 9:31:38 GMT
Read today that the Oxford/AZ vaccine only costs $3 a go, but the two US ones cost $25-30.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 24, 2020 9:45:01 GMT
Read today that the Oxford/AZ vaccine only costs $3 a go, but the two US ones cost $25-30. And the US ones are actually considered cheap tbf. The vaccine itself costs less than a Covid test!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 9:54:19 GMT
Read today that the Oxford/AZ vaccine only costs $3 a go, but the two US ones cost $25-30. And the US ones are actually considered cheap tbf. The vaccine itself costs less than a Covid test! I guess it is cheap in the grand scheme of things. Good that poorer countries may be able to easily afford the OxAZ one, plus it can be kept in a fridge. So just a case of vaccinating 6/7 billion people minus a handful of antivaxers.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 24, 2020 12:44:05 GMT
And the US ones are actually considered cheap tbf. The vaccine itself costs less than a Covid test! I guess it is cheap in the grand scheme of things. Good that poorer countries may be able to easily afford the OxAZ one, plus it can be kept in a fridge. So just a case of vaccinating 6/7 billion people minus a handful of antivaxers. Yeah considering it's new, $30 is a great price. As an example, when I was living abroad I wanted to get a tetanus jab as it'd been 20 years or so. That cost me 34 euros alone! Oh and btw, as I was saying to a client from Pfizer the other day actually, they don't like to be called anti-vaxxers anymore... Its 'Vaccine Risk Aware' That broke the ice quite well tbf
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Post by Gassy on Nov 24, 2020 13:30:01 GMT
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Post by baggins on Nov 24, 2020 13:54:48 GMT
Question. I assume the tier level a City or region is given depends on what, r rate? Let's say Bristol as of 2nd December is tier 3. What happens if on the 3rd the r rate drops so much we could have been in tier 1? How soon and how easily do tiers get allocated?
If it's not r rate there must be figures they go by to allocate tiers.
Does that make any sense?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 14:51:48 GMT
Question. I assume the tier level a City or region is given depends on what, r rate? Let's say Bristol as of 2nd December is tier 3. What happens if on the 3rd the r rate drops so much we could have been in tier 1? How soon and how easily do tiers get allocated? If it's not r rate there must be figures they go by to allocate tiers. Does that make any sense? No.
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Post by baggins on Nov 24, 2020 15:06:51 GMT
Question. I assume the tier level a City or region is given depends on what, r rate? Let's say Bristol as of 2nd December is tier 3. What happens if on the 3rd the r rate drops so much we could have been in tier 1? How soon and how easily do tiers get allocated? If it's not r rate there must be figures they go by to allocate tiers. Does that make any sense? No. How long does it take to have the tier level reduced once the r rate goes down?
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 24, 2020 15:26:05 GMT
How long does it take to have the tier level reduced once the r rate goes down? No good asking the government. They don`t know their Rs from their elbow.
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Post by baggins on Nov 24, 2020 15:27:33 GMT
How long does it take to have the tier level reduced once the r rate goes down? No good asking the government. They don`t know their Rs from their elbow. Wouldn't surprise me if we go straight into level 3 and stay there. Forever.
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 24, 2020 17:19:08 GMT
No good asking the government. They don`t know their Rs from their elbow. Wouldn't surprise me if we go straight into level 3 and stay there. Forever. It just seems like that, mate. We`ll get there. If winter comes, can spring be far behind?
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 24, 2020 17:23:57 GMT
Question. I assume the tier level a City or region is given depends on what, r rate? Let's say Bristol as of 2nd December is tier 3. What happens if on the 3rd the r rate drops so much we could have been in tier 1? How soon and how easily do tiers get allocated? If it's not r rate there must be figures they go by to allocate tiers. Does that make any sense? No. How often are the tier levels changed? And on what set of figures do the government make those changes?
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Post by baggins on Nov 24, 2020 17:24:13 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if we go straight into level 3 and stay there. Forever. It just seems like that, mate. We`ll get there. If winter comes, can spring be far behind? I'm missing the pub. I'm missing going on holiday.
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Post by baggins on Nov 24, 2020 17:24:49 GMT
How often are the tier levels changed? And on what set of figures do the government make those changes? That's it
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