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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 17:26:35 GMT
Is the 80% of pay covered by the government too generous? For some, will they could well have more disposable income now than they did before? Pubs are shut, leisure activities have stopped, petrol costs largely disappeared. After bills have been paid and essential food, medicines and health products purchased what is there left to spend money on? Is there now a disincentive for people to return to work when fit, able, safe and authorised to do so? Should supermarkets be ordered to take non essential and luxury items off their shelves? There are too many people in close contact in supermarkets and people would be in and out quicker if the range of goods was reduced. If a lot of shopping is being funded by the state is it right for things like alcohol and cigarettes to be sold, especially cigarettes when this is an illness that attacks the respiratory system. Maths Eric my dear boy. How can disposable income be higher when the gross income is 20% lower, and tax etc is still applied? Ffs. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 26, 2020 18:17:10 GMT
Last 24 hours...
115 deaths.
Hold on tight, feels like we are going up the roller-coaster steeper.
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Post by Marshy on Mar 26, 2020 18:54:20 GMT
Yeah, seen it this morning. Released much later than usual. That's less than I expected to be honest. There is no way that is correct. I appreciate that was what was released but I do not understand why because I'm telling you there is no way it was that low. Do you know what the figures were in Italy today, are the deaths starting to decrease yet? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 19:25:09 GMT
There is no way that is correct. I appreciate that was what was released but I do not understand why because I'm telling you there is no way it was that low. Do you know what the figures were in Italy today, are the deaths starting to decrease yet? No, the numbers in Italy increased It appears that in the UK the timeline for reporting deaths was changed, hence the lower number yesterday and the big jump today |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 26, 2020 19:32:59 GMT
Do you know what the figures were in Italy today, are the deaths starting to decrease yet? No, the numbers in Italy increased So if you look over time as it is a bit up and down I think it looks like its levelled out on terms of new cases. This has dropped for 4 days now. Deaths arent dropping yet though - healthcare is now in such a state that provision has become a key factor in the translation of cases to deaths. It spiked day before yesterday but today is lower. I suspect it will take a little while longer to drop than it will for the case rate. I wouldnt say it's looking better for them but there is at least some hope there still. The below website is extremely useful www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 26, 2020 19:34:27 GMT
Do you know what the figures were in Italy today, are the deaths starting to decrease yet? No, the numbers in Italy increased It appears that in the UK the timeline for reporting deaths was changed, hence the lower number yesterday and the big jump today that makes a lot of sense to me. You can probably assume if you added the two together and spread them by 40/60 across the two days that would make more sense. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 26, 2020 20:08:51 GMT
So cynical as I am and was about this clap for carers thing, I actually found myself shedding a tear as I stood there and listened to my community. It somehow made it all more real. So thanks if any of you did it. Meant a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 20:21:03 GMT
Is the 80% of pay covered by the government too generous? For some, will they could well have more disposable income now than they did before? Pubs are shut, leisure activities have stopped, petrol costs largely disappeared. After bills have been paid and essential food, medicines and health products purchased what is there left to spend money on? Is there now a disincentive for people to return to work when fit, able, safe and authorised to do so? Should supermarkets be ordered to take non essential and luxury items off their shelves? There are too many people in close contact in supermarkets and people would be in and out quicker if the range of goods was reduced. If a lot of shopping is being funded by the state is it right for things like alcohol and cigarettes to be sold, especially cigarettes when this is an illness that attacks the respiratory system. Maths Eric my dear boy. How can disposable income be higher when the gross income is 20% lower, and tax etc is still applied? Ffs. Normal salary minus tax is clearly higher than 80% of gross salary minus tax. My point is that if an individual normally spends hundreds of pounds on leisure activities, nights in pubs, cinema visits, theatre etc...which they now cannot do there is every chance they will have a larger surplus at the end of the month than they did previously. If you took out Income Protection Insurance to cover yourself against being unable to work due to ill health you are unlikely be able to insure for more than 75% of basic salary. The government scheme seems too generous to me. You’ve often talked about the burden on future generations from government decisions but the level of this intervention will impact to a far greater degree than we’ve ever seen before. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 26, 2020 20:21:05 GMT
So cynical as I am and was about this clap for carers thing, I actually found myself shedding a tear as I stood there and listened to my community. It somehow made it all more real. So thanks if any of you did it. Meant a lot. Well deserved, very noisey round our way. Glad you heard it. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 26, 2020 20:27:49 GMT
Maths Eric my dear boy. How can disposable income be higher when the gross income is 20% lower, and tax etc is still applied? Ffs. Normal salary minus tax is clearly higher than 80% of gross salary minus tax. My point is that if an individual normally spends hundreds of pounds on leisure activities, nights in pubs, cinema visits, theatre etc...which they now cannot do there is every chance they will have a larger surplus at the end of the month than they did previously. If you took out Income Protection Insurance to cover yourself against being unable to work due to ill health you are unlikely be able to insure for more than 75% of basic salary. The government scheme seems too generous to me. You’ve often talked about the burden on future generations from government decisions but the level of this intervention will impact to a far greater degree than we’ve ever seen before. It is the employer applying for 80% of the salary costs and it is time limited anyway. If it wasn't "generous" then the employee would be made redundant instead. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 26, 2020 20:33:07 GMT
I hope tbis was a mix up, the story earlier was that we declined the offer. "The government says a communications mix-up meant it missed the deadline to join an EU scheme to get extra ventilators for the coronavirus crisis. Ministers were earlier accused of putting Brexit before public health when Downing Street said the UK had decided to pursue its own scheme. But No 10 now says officials did not get emails inviting the UK to join and it could join future schemes." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52052694 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 21:00:22 GMT
Normal salary minus tax is clearly higher than 80% of gross salary minus tax. My point is that if an individual normally spends hundreds of pounds on leisure activities, nights in pubs, cinema visits, theatre etc...which they now cannot do there is every chance they will have a larger surplus at the end of the month than they did previously. If you took out Income Protection Insurance to cover yourself against being unable to work due to ill health you are unlikely be able to insure for more than 75% of basic salary. The government scheme seems too generous to me. You’ve often talked about the burden on future generations from government decisions but the level of this intervention will impact to a far greater degree than we’ve ever seen before. It is the employer applying for 80% of the salary costs and it is time limited anyway. If it wasn't "generous" then the employee would be made redundant instead. Not sure I follow. At what % level do you think an employee would be made redundant by their employer rather than use the government grant? The current 80% seems too high to me. We should all be concerned about the long term costs and the affect on us and the next generation - not just financially but health and social well-being with services having insufficient funding for many years to come. More than we’ve ever seen before. A relatives firm in the construction industry is allowed to continue operating and they have taken all the precautions possible. A number of employees called in on the first day saying they would prefer to choose the 80% they’d get for nothing rather than work for their normal salary. The same employees would have been packed into their local pubs on the Friday a few days earlier without fear for their health or any thought for the general good but suddenly become health aware and develop a social conscience when they have a financial incentive to do so! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 26, 2020 21:04:35 GMT
It is the employer applying for 80% of the salary costs and it is time limited anyway. If it wasn't "generous" then the employee would be made redundant instead. Not sure I follow. At what % level do you think an employee would be made redundant by their employer rather than use the government grant? The current 80% seems too high to me. We should all be concerned about the long term costs and the affect on us and the next generation - not just financially but health and social well-being with services having insufficient funding for many years to come. More than we’ve ever seen before. A relatives firm in the construction industry is allowed to continue operating and they have taken all the precautions possible. A number of employees called in on the first day saying they would prefer to choose the 80% they’d get for nothing rather than work for their normal salary. The same employees would have been packed into their local pubs on the Friday a few days earlier without fear for their health or any thought for the general good but suddenly become health aware and develop a social conscience when they have a financial incentive to do so! Who applies for the furlough? |
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Post by inee on Mar 26, 2020 21:20:27 GMT
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Post by scoobydoogas on Mar 26, 2020 21:20:42 GMT
Normal salary minus tax is clearly higher than 80% of gross salary minus tax. My point is that if an individual normally spends hundreds of pounds on leisure activities, nights in pubs, cinema visits, theatre etc...which they now cannot do there is every chance they will have a larger surplus at the end of the month than they did previously. If you took out Income Protection Insurance to cover yourself against being unable to work due to ill health you are unlikely be able to insure for more than 75% of basic salary. The government scheme seems too generous to me. You’ve often talked about the burden on future generations from government decisions but the level of this intervention will impact to a far greater degree than we’ve ever seen before. It is the employer applying for 80% of the salary costs and it is time limited anyway. If it wasn't "generous" then the employee would be made redundant instead. Did you see the email that was sent round work today. States that anyone made subject to furlough that 80% of salary would be paid by Govt and that our employer would not top up the extra 20%. So our employer would only be claiming back what they are paying out. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 26, 2020 21:21:43 GMT
So cynical as I am and was about this clap for carers thing, I actually found myself shedding a tear as I stood there and listened to my community. It somehow made it all more real. So thanks if any of you did it. Meant a lot. I was on of them. Taken aback by how many others clapped though too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 21:25:45 GMT
Not sure I follow. At what % level do you think an employee would be made redundant by their employer rather than use the government grant? The current 80% seems too high to me. We should all be concerned about the long term costs and the affect on us and the next generation - not just financially but health and social well-being with services having insufficient funding for many years to come. More than we’ve ever seen before. A relatives firm in the construction industry is allowed to continue operating and they have taken all the precautions possible. A number of employees called in on the first day saying they would prefer to choose the 80% they’d get for nothing rather than work for their normal salary. The same employees would have been packed into their local pubs on the Friday a few days earlier without fear for their health or any thought for the general good but suddenly become health aware and develop a social conscience when they have a financial incentive to do so! Who applies for the furlough? The employer. It allows them to retain an employee rather than make them redundant if they do not have work for them. I still don’t understand why there would be a difference between 80% being covered to say 60%. If I was an employer I’d still seek the payment and if I was an employee I would certainly want them to do that on my behalf. Quite an easy choice for both parties if they want things to return to normality at some stage. I know I’m not the sharpest around here as I’m often reminded but I still don’t understand where you are coming from and why it was necessary to be pitched at 80% in the first place. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 21:35:09 GMT
I know I’m old fashioned but my dad and grandad before him always impressed on me the need to have enough money put aside to survive a few months. I know not everyone can afford this but maybe giving up a foreign holiday for just one year would have allowed some ‘rainy day’ money to be put aside? I think too many people sail too close and this may change thought processes going forward? Anyway, one bit of good news I did see today was that spitting or coughing in someone’s face is being treated seriously and rightly so. A couple of 40somethings have been jailed for doing this to emergency services. I know they won’t get the length of sentence or the kicking they deserve but it will send a message nonetheless. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 21:43:43 GMT
I see various police forces are clamping down on people driving to a location to exercise or dog walk. Derbyshire Police even sent up a drone and posted it to shame people walking in pairs in the Peak District.
I don’t really get the issue with “unnecessary journeys”. I would have thought it socially responsible to drive to somewhere quiet and to walk the dog or go for a run than walk to the local park where all and sundry are forced to undertake these activities in close proximity of others.
I just done see this as a valuable use of police time or resources. People are scamming the vulnerable, setting fire to delivery vans and other anti social activities which surely must be more important.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 26, 2020 21:47:12 GMT
So cynical as I am and was about this clap for carers thing, I actually found myself shedding a tear as I stood there and listened to my community. It somehow made it all more real. So thanks if any of you did it. Meant a lot. I was on of them. Taken aback by how many others clapped though too. It is odd. You forget sometimes that patients arent just people that exist in work. That's them out there. Outside your front door. That sense of community was a welcome reminder and I'll be heading back in tomorrow with more enthusiasm and energy as a result. Thanks again. |
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