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Post by francegas on Mar 6, 2021 11:26:55 GMT
Sadly I’m not sure the general public would support them. The right wing media would absolutely slaughter them in the press which would influence too many people. Would the Tory voters on here support an NHS strike right now? (Genuine question) No I wouldn't support an NHS strike now or at anytime. How would anyone feel if a loved one died because staff were on strike. I do 100% agree they have been shafted and fully deserve a higher pay rise, seems wrong we clapped the NHS and then stab them in the back, however doctors and nurses have stated they did not join the profession for the money. I suppose this is the problem within the public sector that if you give it to one you need to give it to all and no one wants to see the NHS privatised. We should also bear a thought for people in the private sector who have and will lose their jobs at least within the public sector the NHS workers have an element of job security.
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Post by francegas on Mar 6, 2021 11:32:10 GMT
I hope the above doesn't come across as being unsympathetic or uncaring because it's certainly not meant to. I firmly believe the NHS saved my life when I went through cancer and for that I will be eternally grateful. In my view a 10% pay rise wouldn't be enough for what they do and what have done during this pandemic, but I still wouldn't support a strike. Hope that clears up what I'm saying .
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Post by Gassy on Mar 6, 2021 12:05:58 GMT
I hope the above doesn't come across as being unsympathetic or uncaring because it's certainly not meant to. I firmly believe the NHS saved my life when I went through cancer and for that I will be eternally grateful. In my view a 10% pay rise wouldn't be enough for what they do and what have done during this pandemic, but I still wouldn't support a strike. Hope that clears up what I'm saying . No need to apologise for an opinion FG. Thank you for sharing honestly. I don’t know how I’d feel about it, in one sense of course I support the strike - but how would it even work? I remember firemen striking years ago but they still did emergencies, but right now it’s all emergencies so I don’t see how they would/could realistically do it?
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Post by axegas on Mar 6, 2021 12:42:36 GMT
I hope the above doesn't come across as being unsympathetic or uncaring because it's certainly not meant to. I firmly believe the NHS saved my life when I went through cancer and for that I will be eternally grateful. In my view a 10% pay rise wouldn't be enough for what they do and what have done during this pandemic, but I still wouldn't support a strike. Hope that clears up what I'm saying . No need to apologise for an opinion FG. Thank you for sharing honestly. I don’t know how I’d feel about it, in one sense of course I support the strike - but how would it even work? I remember firemen striking years ago but they still did emergencies, but right now it’s all emergencies so I don’t see how they would/could realistically do it? It’s tricky because they need to get the timing right. Any strike during the pandemic is likely to be looked upon unsympathetically if shortages are going to put lives at risk, even though the impact of the strike would probably be the greatest. If they leave the strike till later on in the summer, they risk politicisation of the issue being lower and less appreciation for NHS nurses than what it currently is during the pandemic. I also don’t think the Royal College of Nursing stating that nurses need a pay rise of 12.5% to be very helpful when other public sector pay has been frozen. While that might be what they deserve, I think it would help if they aimed for a more modest rise such as 5% IMO. I went to Musgrove park hospital in Taunton for a routine checkup yesterday and the nurse I spoke to was not very supportive of the strikes and the demand for increased pay at all. Would be interesting to get opinion polling data from nurses on the issue.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Mar 6, 2021 12:49:36 GMT
They should strike, the government know exactly what they’re doing giving them a 1% increase.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 6, 2021 13:11:54 GMT
No need to apologise for an opinion FG. Thank you for sharing honestly. I don’t know how I’d feel about it, in one sense of course I support the strike - but how would it even work? I remember firemen striking years ago but they still did emergencies, but right now it’s all emergencies so I don’t see how they would/could realistically do it? It’s tricky because they need to get the timing right. Any strike during the pandemic is likely to be looked upon unsympathetically if shortages are going to put lives at risk, even though the impact of the strike would probably be the greatest. If they leave the strike till later on in the summer, they risk politicisation of the issue being lower and less appreciation for NHS nurses than what it currently is during the pandemic. I also don’t think the Royal College of Nursing stating that nurses need a pay rise of 12.5% to be very helpful when other public sector pay has been frozen. While that might be what they deserve, I think it would help if they aimed for a more modest rise such as 5% IMO. I went to Musgrove park hospital in Taunton for a routine checkup yesterday and the nurse I spoke to was not very supportive of the strikes and the demand for increased pay at all. Would be interesting to get opinion polling data from nurses on the issue. I feel like it’s a bit of a lose lose situation tbh, which is especially bad if you consider they’re already being shafted. I’d be very curious to hear OBs & blueridges family’s opinions/thoughts
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 6, 2021 13:35:01 GMT
It’s tricky because they need to get the timing right. Any strike during the pandemic is likely to be looked upon unsympathetically if shortages are going to put lives at risk, even though the impact of the strike would probably be the greatest. If they leave the strike till later on in the summer, they risk politicisation of the issue being lower and less appreciation for NHS nurses than what it currently is during the pandemic. I also don’t think the Royal College of Nursing stating that nurses need a pay rise of 12.5% to be very helpful when other public sector pay has been frozen. While that might be what they deserve, I think it would help if they aimed for a more modest rise such as 5% IMO. I went to Musgrove park hospital in Taunton for a routine checkup yesterday and the nurse I spoke to was not very supportive of the strikes and the demand for increased pay at all. Would be interesting to get opinion polling data from nurses on the issue. I feel like it’s a bit of a lose lose situation tbh, which is especially bad if you consider they’re already being shafted. I’d be very curious to hear OBs & blueridges family’s opinions/thoughts Lose/lose situation - the government know the public wouldn't support a strike and will continue to vote for it so seems pointless. What you really want is support from the other unions for them to go on strike instead on our behalf. Life and limb cover is always provided in healthcare staff strikes generally and also don't forget that we also have family members who have lost jobs as a result of the pandemic too.
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Post by axegas on Mar 6, 2021 14:16:12 GMT
It’s tricky because they need to get the timing right. Any strike during the pandemic is likely to be looked upon unsympathetically if shortages are going to put lives at risk, even though the impact of the strike would probably be the greatest. If they leave the strike till later on in the summer, they risk politicisation of the issue being lower and less appreciation for NHS nurses than what it currently is during the pandemic. I also don’t think the Royal College of Nursing stating that nurses need a pay rise of 12.5% to be very helpful when other public sector pay has been frozen. While that might be what they deserve, I think it would help if they aimed for a more modest rise such as 5% IMO. I went to Musgrove park hospital in Taunton for a routine checkup yesterday and the nurse I spoke to was not very supportive of the strikes and the demand for increased pay at all. Would be interesting to get opinion polling data from nurses on the issue. I feel like it’s a bit of a lose lose situation tbh, which is especially bad if you consider they’re already being shafted. I’d be very curious to hear OBs & blueridges family’s opinions/thoughts I think the bigger issue at play is the constant freezing of public sector pay, especially in years when there isn’t a recession or high public spending. Even if the Government yielded and gave nurses a 5% pay rise now, you can sure as hell bet they would freeze their pay under the radar in the coming years to make up for it. Adjusted to inflation, nurse pay is lower now than it was in 2010, 3.2% lower in fact, quite staggering really considering how much society claims to appreciate what they do. I think threats that nurses will leave the NHS now, when there are fewer jobs around and their services are most appreciated are pretty hollow but over the coming years when the economy starts to recover and all this respect for key workers wears off, you will start to see nurses leave. The lower bands of nurse pay especially don’t represent the challenging, vital work they do. Credit where credits due though, they did reinstate the nursing bursary which should get more people into the profession. Also we should spare a thought for other public sector workers such as Policemen and women who have got their pay frozen again. The amount of times they put their health at risk on patrol to deal with incidents, a friend of a friend who is a PC has been spat on four times this year from people actively hoping he gets Covid. You can’t arrest or search someone without going into their personal space, it’s impossible.
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Post by blueridge on Mar 6, 2021 14:47:35 GMT
It’s tricky because they need to get the timing right. Any strike during the pandemic is likely to be looked upon unsympathetically if shortages are going to put lives at risk, even though the impact of the strike would probably be the greatest. If they leave the strike till later on in the summer, they risk politicisation of the issue being lower and less appreciation for NHS nurses than what it currently is during the pandemic. I also don’t think the Royal College of Nursing stating that nurses need a pay rise of 12.5% to be very helpful when other public sector pay has been frozen. While that might be what they deserve, I think it would help if they aimed for a more modest rise such as 5% IMO. I went to Musgrove park hospital in Taunton for a routine checkup yesterday and the nurse I spoke to was not very supportive of the strikes and the demand for increased pay at all. Would be interesting to get opinion polling data from nurses on the issue. I feel like it’s a bit of a lose lose situation tbh, which is especially bad if you consider they’re already being shafted. I’d be very curious to hear OBs & blueridges family’s opinions/thoughts Firstly, I find it incomprehensible that a poster would “hopefully want a round of strikes” - I can only assume it doesn’t affect him directly in his ‘pay packet’. To answer your question, they would not support a strike. Maybe swayed by the fact that between them they have a significant income but to be honest I could not envisage them ever supporting strike action in any event. Every single one of us have had to deal with this situation over the last twelve months - many thousands probably millions have suffered real hardship and even now are unsure if they have a job to go back to - I feel they would not get public support at this time. I’m prepared to be shot down here. The basic annual salary (without o/t & shift work supplements) is around £27k. With circa 1.2 million workers that equates to around a total pay bill of £32,000,000,000 ( I’ve deliberately put it numbers) - so a 1% pay rise £320,000,000 - there are other public sector workers as deserving IMO. Whether we think they are more deserving or not doesn’t detract from the fact they have a job with a pension all paid for by the UK taxpayer - I feel many would jump at the chance at the moment to be in their position.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 6, 2021 15:00:14 GMT
I feel like it’s a bit of a lose lose situation tbh, which is especially bad if you consider they’re already being shafted. I’d be very curious to hear OBs & blueridges family’s opinions/thoughts Firstly, I find it incomprehensible that a poster would “hopefully want a round of strikes” - I can only assume it doesn’t affect him directly in his ‘pay packet’. To answer your question, they would not support a strike. Maybe swayed by the fact that between them they have a significant income but to be honest I could not envisage them ever supporting strike action in any event. Every single one of us have had to deal with this situation over the last twelve months - many thousands probably millions have suffered real hardship and even now are unsure if they have a job to go back to - I feel they would not get public support at this time. I’m prepared to be shot down here. The basic annual salary (without o/t & shift work supplements) is around £27k. With circa 1.2 million workers that equates to around a total pay bill of £32,000,000,000 ( I’ve deliberately put it numbers) - so a 1% pay rise £320,000,000 - there are other public sector workers as deserving IMO. Whether we think they are more deserving or not doesn’t detract from the fact they have a job with a pension all paid for by the UK taxpayer - I feel many would jump at the chance at the moment to be in their position. That last comment. Seriously.
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Post by baggins on Mar 6, 2021 15:11:10 GMT
Firstly, I find it incomprehensible that a poster would “hopefully want a round of strikes” - I can only assume it doesn’t affect him directly in his ‘pay packet’. To answer your question, they would not support a strike. Maybe swayed by the fact that between them they have a significant income but to be honest I could not envisage them ever supporting strike action in any event. Every single one of us have had to deal with this situation over the last twelve months - many thousands probably millions have suffered real hardship and even now are unsure if they have a job to go back to - I feel they would not get public support at this time. I’m prepared to be shot down here. The basic annual salary (without o/t & shift work supplements) is around £27k. With circa 1.2 million workers that equates to around a total pay bill of £32,000,000,000 ( I’ve deliberately put it numbers) - so a 1% pay rise £320,000,000 - there are other public sector workers as deserving IMO. Whether we think they are more deserving or not doesn’t detract from the fact they have a job with a pension all paid for by the UK taxpayer - I feel many would jump at the chance at the moment to be in their position. That last comment. Seriously. Yea, bit odd.
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Post by yattongas on Mar 6, 2021 15:30:58 GMT
I hope the above doesn't come across as being unsympathetic or uncaring because it's certainly not meant to. I firmly believe the NHS saved my life when I went through cancer and for that I will be eternally grateful. In my view a 10% pay rise wouldn't be enough for what they do and what have done during this pandemic, but I still wouldn't support a strike. Hope that clears up what I'm saying . That’s the thing though, they can’t strike because of the job they do and the gov know this. That’s why they keep getting shafted along with others police, firefighters etc. wages are about 15-20% down in real terms over the last decade and it ain’t gonna get any better! The game plan is always to play them off against the private sector and no one can have a decent pay rise because x , y or z hasn’t had one and it wouldn’t be fair.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 16:32:27 GMT
There will be a U-turn & payrise, it's the Tory way to appease their base by offering the 1%, but they will then 'bow to public pressure' and milk some adulation. Will be done by Easter.
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Post by blueridge on Mar 6, 2021 16:36:22 GMT
That last comment. Seriously. Yea, bit odd. Bit odd? - Ok - being employed with a pension rather than unemployed. Got you!!
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Post by baggins on Mar 6, 2021 16:44:16 GMT
Bit odd? - Ok - being employed with a pension rather than unemployed. Got you!! Working in a job for nigh on 16 hour days, 6, 7 days a week, with little or no protection against a virus that's killed 120,000 people so far. Yea, that's odd.
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Post by yattongas on Mar 6, 2021 16:52:44 GMT
There will be a U-turn & payrise, it's the Tory way to appease their base by offering the 1%, but they will then 'bow to public pressure' and milk some adulation. Will be done by Easter. Probably . The unions wanted 15% , so gov offer 1% . Everyone is up in arms , they come back a few weeks later and double it to 2% , so people think that’s a lot fairer. if they’d of offered 2% straight off the public would of thought it was terrible.
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Post by blueridge on Mar 6, 2021 17:04:27 GMT
Bit odd? - Ok - being employed with a pension rather than unemployed. Got you!! Working in a job for nigh on 16 hour days, 6, 7 days a week, with little or no protection against a virus that's killed 120,000 people so far. Yea, that's odd. Why not be constructive for once in your life and challenge the rest of post rather than just the last sentence. 16 hour days 6/7 days a week - bullshit and you know it.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 6, 2021 17:09:17 GMT
Haven’t got round to reading the replies properly yet, but if you have a problem with someone challenging a part of your post but not the rest - then why post it?
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Post by baggins on Mar 6, 2021 17:25:26 GMT
Working in a job for nigh on 16 hour days, 6, 7 days a week, with little or no protection against a virus that's killed 120,000 people so far. Yea, that's odd. Why not be constructive for once in your life and challenge the rest of post rather than just the last sentence. 16 hour days 6/7 days a week - bullshit and you know it. Aggressive much? Forget it.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 6, 2021 18:43:24 GMT
Working in a job for nigh on 16 hour days, 6, 7 days a week, with little or no protection against a virus that's killed 120,000 people so far. Yea, that's odd. Why not be constructive for once in your life and challenge the rest of post rather than just the last sentence. 16 hour days 6/7 days a week - bullshit and you know it. I'll tell ya, honestly, I'm burned out. Cynical, depressed, you name it. 16 hour days are not uncommon for me or thousands of my colleagues. Its been horrendous. Money or not, I think if you spoke to anyone dealing with the actual pandemic first hand and the toll that has taken, you'd think again before suggesting its some kind of dream position that people would jump at the chance to do.
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