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Post by francegas on Dec 10, 2021 8:37:00 GMT
Just an update from me. First 2 jabs were Oxford. Had my booster yesterday morning, Moderna. Apart from waking up with a slightly aching arm, I'm fine. No feeling groggy, didn't have to crawl back into bed, no hot flushes, nothing. Hard as nails me. Same here bags. First two were AZ and had my booster (Pfizer) yesterday. Arm aches this morning, no other adverse reactions. Us Frenchay C of E school old boys are well hard (wasn't that a dog in Eastenders) aren't we. 🏋️♂️🏋️♂️😎😎 |
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Post by pepsi on Dec 10, 2021 11:33:31 GMT
Just an update from me. First 2 jabs were Oxford. Had my booster yesterday morning, Moderna. Apart from waking up with a slightly aching arm, I'm fine. No feeling groggy, didn't have to crawl back into bed, no hot flushes, nothing. Hard as nails me. Same here bags. First two were AZ and had my booster (Pfizer) yesterday. Arm aches this morning, no other adverse reactions. Us Frenchay C of E school old boys are well hard (wasn't that a dog in Eastenders) aren't we. 🏋️♂️🏋️♂️😎😎 Robbie Jackson’s dog 😉 |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 10, 2021 16:25:18 GMT
58k new cases 😮
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Post by yattongas on Dec 10, 2021 17:44:48 GMT
And my last post of the night….. who’s ready for plan C ?
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Post by yattongas on Dec 12, 2021 10:31:15 GMT
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Post by francegas on Dec 12, 2021 20:10:25 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Dec 12, 2021 21:05:14 GMT
Behind a paywall, but from what to what? Also curious how they can do that under contract. Tbf though, the UK secured earlier doses & manufacturing by leaving the EU. I'd rather have paid more and had our vaccination program started when we did, than pay less and start 2 months later and have the vaccine shortage issue that Europe had.]] However, as a stated benefit of leaving the EU that things would be cheaper - quite the opposite is true. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 13, 2021 5:30:48 GMT
This new variant, Omicron, I get that it might be spread easier, causing more cases, but is it killing more? Putting more in Hospital? And of those in hospital, am I right in saying that the majority have not been vaccinated?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 13, 2021 7:14:58 GMT
This new variant, Omicron, I get that it might be spread easier, causing more cases, but is it killing more? Putting more in Hospital? And of those in hospital, am I right in saying that the majority have not been vaccinated? I thought I read that it was more virulent but weaker in terms of symptoms? |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 13, 2021 7:28:53 GMT
This new variant, Omicron, I get that it might be spread easier, causing more cases, but is it killing more? Putting more in Hospital? And of those in hospital, am I right in saying that the majority have not been vaccinated? Too early to tell on hospitalisations, so far not a single death globally I believe - so this variant could still turn out to be a ‘good’ thing. We will know more within the next 3 weeks. However milder symptoms doesn’t necessarily mean good news. If the vulnerable still die, take up hospital beds then it’s really bad news. If it’s actually weaker and causes less deaths and hospitalisations then it’s good news. Time will tell. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 13, 2021 8:18:29 GMT
This new variant, Omicron, I get that it might be spread easier, causing more cases, but is it killing more? Putting more in Hospital? And of those in hospital, am I right in saying that the majority have not been vaccinated? I thought I read that it was more virulent but weaker in terms of symptoms? Same here. And yet...... Omicron could cause between 25,000 and 75,000 deaths in England over the next five months without tougher Covid restrictions, experts have told the government. Scientists from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) also warned that Omicron, first discovered in southern Africa, is likely to be the dominant coronavirus variant by the end of the month. Even in the most optimistic scenario, projected infections could lead to a peak of more than 2,000 daily hospital admissions, with a total of 175,000 hospital admissions and 24,700 deaths between 1 December and 30 April. |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 13, 2021 8:39:26 GMT
I thought I read that it was more virulent but weaker in terms of symptoms? Same here. And yet...... Omicron could cause between 25,000 and 75,000 deaths in England over the next five months without tougher Covid restrictions, experts have told the government. Scientists from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) also warned that Omicron, first discovered in southern Africa, is likely to be the dominant coronavirus variant by the end of the month. Even in the most optimistic scenario, projected infections could lead to a peak of more than 2,000 daily hospital admissions, with a total of 175,000 hospital admissions and 24,700 deaths between 1 December and 30 April. Read above post. Less symptoms doesn’t mean less deaths. |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 13, 2021 8:46:46 GMT
Same here. And yet...... Omicron could cause between 25,000 and 75,000 deaths in England over the next five months without tougher Covid restrictions, experts have told the government. Scientists from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) also warned that Omicron, first discovered in southern Africa, is likely to be the dominant coronavirus variant by the end of the month. Even in the most optimistic scenario, projected infections could lead to a peak of more than 2,000 daily hospital admissions, with a total of 175,000 hospital admissions and 24,700 deaths between 1 December and 30 April. Read above post. Less symptoms doesn’t mean less deaths. The sheer volume of infection will still drive higher numbers of deaths,it's relatively simple maths ,if the percentage of deaths to infection numbers remains the same or even declines the absolute number will increase if infection rates double. |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 13, 2021 8:53:00 GMT
This new variant, Omicron, I get that it might be spread easier, causing more cases, but is it killing more? Putting more in Hospital? And of those in hospital, am I right in saying that the majority have not been vaccinated? Around 75% of the 7400 folk in hospital are unvaccinated,it's a real problem and almost akin to self infliction ,one of my good friends is 50 overweight yet still won't have the vaccine as according to him it's not been tested enough,madness in my view. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 13, 2021 8:58:42 GMT
This new variant, Omicron, I get that it might be spread easier, causing more cases, but is it killing more? Putting more in Hospital? And of those in hospital, am I right in saying that the majority have not been vaccinated? Around 75% of the 7400 folk in hospital are unvaccinated,it's a real problem and almost akin to self infliction ,one of my good friends is 50 overweight yet still won't have the vaccine as according to him it's not been tested enough,madness in my view. I had a feeling I'd heard the 75 - 80% range so thanks for that. So when this new variant goes on the rampage, lots of unvaccinated going to suffer. Shame the media don't make this more obvious when they announce the daily death toll. |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 13, 2021 9:54:16 GMT
Around 75% of the 7400 folk in hospital are unvaccinated,it's a real problem and almost akin to self infliction ,one of my good friends is 50 overweight yet still won't have the vaccine as according to him it's not been tested enough,madness in my view. I had a feeling I'd heard the 75 - 80% range so thanks for that. So when this new variant goes on the rampage, lots of unvaccinated going to suffer. Shame the media don't make this more obvious when they announce the daily death toll. Totally agree,the issue is complex due to cultural issues in many communities however,it needs to be addressed as the reduction of circa 5500 folk in hospital many of whom are likely to be in Intensive care is significant,no doubt Officer B can give us a better insight. It's interesting when I talk to my mate about it he has no real empathy about the likely impact on other people and is very selfish about it, basically it's his choice and the societal consequences are irrelevant. I'm not advocating we confine these folk however,Countries like Germany/Italy are taking a much more robust approach. |
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Post by supergas on Dec 13, 2021 10:58:49 GMT
The sheer volume of infection will still drive higher numbers of deaths,it's relatively simple maths ,if the percentage of deaths to infection numbers remains the same or even declines the absolute number will increase if infection rates double. The maths is pretty simple and I'm not sure you're correct about it because it seems this new strain is more transmissible but *far* less deadly. But we will see about the numbers...what's more important is that we need to start moving on and not panicking about new variations.....in most countries it's now almost exactly the same as the seasonal flu.... |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 13, 2021 11:46:56 GMT
First death with omicron confirmed in uk
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Post by baggins on Dec 13, 2021 12:05:05 GMT
First death with omicron confirmed in uk Were they vaccinated? |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 13, 2021 12:18:14 GMT
The sheer volume of infection will still drive higher numbers of deaths,it's relatively simple maths ,if the percentage of deaths to infection numbers remains the same or even declines the absolute number will increase if infection rates double. The maths is pretty simple and I'm not sure you're correct about it because it seems this new strain is more transmissible but *far* less deadly. But we will see about the numbers...what's more important is that we need to start moving on and not panicking about new variations.....in most countries it's now almost exactly the same as the seasonal flu.... Don't think there is any real data as to how deadly it will be,agree that Covid will eventually be like flu but we're not there yet as Patrick Vallance clearly said we're in a transition phase from Pandemic to epidemic ala flu. Haven't seen anything that says its like flu anywhere else. |
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