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Post by baggins on Dec 22, 2021 12:47:59 GMT
My mistake, I was thinking of another issue you raised previously. Maybe this will help. "Human trials of cancer vaccines using the same mRNA technology have been taking place since at least 2011. ‘If there was a real problem with the technology, we’d have seen it before now for sure,’ said Prof. Goldman. Because the technology can be deployed extremely rapidly, and clinical trials have been so successful, mRNA platforms will be an important means of preparing for future epidemics, he says." ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-magazine/five-things-you-need-know-about-mrna-vaccine-safetyMore than double the number of deaths associated with all other vaccines combined since the year 1990 and more adverse reactions than all other other vaccinations combined in the same timeframe would suggest he got that slightly wrong. Trying to suppress the Pfizer trial data for 75 years would also suggest there is something to hide too. I struggle to believe any of what you post. It's all just Twitter conspiracy rubbish. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 22, 2021 13:06:32 GMT
More than double the number of deaths associated with all other vaccines combined since the year 1990 and more adverse reactions than all other other vaccinations combined in the same timeframe would suggest he got that slightly wrong. Trying to suppress the Pfizer trial data for 75 years would also suggest there is something to hide too. I struggle to believe any of what you post. It's all just Twitter conspiracy rubbish. We'll never convince him and he'll never convince us. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 22, 2021 13:16:21 GMT
Looks like the Gaschat New Years Party hosted by Clive is going to be called off. 😃
"Groups of no more than six people will be allowed to meet in pubs, cinemas and restaurants in Wales from 26 December, the first minister has said. And two metre social distancing rules are to return in public places, Mark Drakeford said. Licensed premises will have to offer table service only, face masks will have to be worn and contact tracing details collected. Outdoor events will be limited to 50, with 30 indoors."
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Post by baggins on Dec 22, 2021 13:22:04 GMT
I struggle to believe any of what you post. It's all just Twitter conspiracy rubbish. We'll never convince him and he'll never convince us. Can't say I'm overly bothered. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 22, 2021 13:23:11 GMT
More than double the number of deaths associated with all other vaccines combined since the year 1990 and more adverse reactions than all other other vaccinations combined in the same timeframe would suggest he got that slightly wrong. Trying to suppress the Pfizer trial data for 75 years would also suggest there is something to hide too. I struggle to believe any of what you post. It's all just Twitter conspiracy rubbish. None so blind as those who will not see. Of course, the FDA being sued and trying to suppress Pfizer trial data is "all just Twitter conspiracy rubbish." 🙄 🤣 |
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Post by baggins on Dec 22, 2021 13:29:10 GMT
I struggle to believe any of what you post. It's all just Twitter conspiracy rubbish. None so blind as those who will not see. Of course, the FDA being sued and trying to suppress Pfizer trial data is "all just Twitter conspiracy rubbish." 🙄 🤣 It's rubbish, everything you post is just made up tin foil hat crap, found by trawling through google searches. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 22, 2021 13:45:59 GMT
None so blind as those who will not see. Of course, the FDA being sued and trying to suppress Pfizer trial data is "all just Twitter conspiracy rubbish." 🙄 🤣 It's rubbish, everything you post is just made up tin foil hat crap, found by trawling through google searches. The public health professionals, medical professionals, scientists, and journalists who filed the Freedom of Information Act Request to the FDA for all of the data within Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine biological product file and subsequently sued the FDA for not releasing the data (who now want to suppress that information for 75 years), is very real. We are talking the likes of esteemed professionals such as Paul E. Alexander, PhD (Former WHO-PAHO and US Health and Human Services (HHS) evidence-synthesis consultant/senior COVID Pandemic advisor), Anthony J. Brookes, PhD (Professor of Genetics, University of Leicester), Tom Jefferson, MD MRCGP FFPHM (Senior Associate Tutor, University of Oxford), Barbara Mintzes, BA, MSc, PhD (Associate Professor, School of Pharmacy, The University of Sydney) and Robert J. Cihak, MD (Former President, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons) amongst many others. phmpt.org/ |
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Post by baggins on Dec 22, 2021 14:07:05 GMT
It's rubbish, everything you post is just made up tin foil hat crap, found by trawling through google searches. The public health professionals, medical professionals, scientists, and journalists who filed the Freedom of Information Act Request to the FDA for all of the data within Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine biological product file and subsequently sued the FDA for not releasing the data (who now want to suppress that information for 75 years), is very real. We are talking the likes of esteemed professionals such as Paul E. Alexander, PhD (Former WHO-PAHO and US Health and Human Services (HHS) evidence-synthesis consultant/senior COVID Pandemic advisor), Anthony J. Brookes, PhD (Professor of Genetics, University of Leicester), Tom Jefferson, MD MRCGP FFPHM (Senior Associate Tutor, University of Oxford), Barbara Mintzes, BA, MSc, PhD (Associate Professor, School of Pharmacy, The University of Sydney) and Robert J. Cihak, MD (Former President, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons) amongst many others. phmpt.org/Yea, I'd rather go with the 8.7 billion vaccinated as testimony that't it ok to take it thanks. You go without the jab, good luck. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 22, 2021 14:28:02 GMT
The public health professionals, medical professionals, scientists, and journalists who filed the Freedom of Information Act Request to the FDA for all of the data within Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine biological product file and subsequently sued the FDA for not releasing the data (who now want to suppress that information for 75 years), is very real. We are talking the likes of esteemed professionals such as Paul E. Alexander, PhD (Former WHO-PAHO and US Health and Human Services (HHS) evidence-synthesis consultant/senior COVID Pandemic advisor), Anthony J. Brookes, PhD (Professor of Genetics, University of Leicester), Tom Jefferson, MD MRCGP FFPHM (Senior Associate Tutor, University of Oxford), Barbara Mintzes, BA, MSc, PhD (Associate Professor, School of Pharmacy, The University of Sydney) and Robert J. Cihak, MD (Former President, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons) amongst many others. phmpt.org/Yea, I'd rather go with the 8.7 billion vaccinated as testimony that't it ok to take it thanks. You go without the jab, good luck. What are the long term adverse reactions going to be? One of the execs at astrazeneca was obviously concerned as he pushed for exemption from covid vaccine liability claims, saying "This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects." As I have also previously shown, The UK government changed the law to give new protections to pharma companies, giving them immunity from being sued by patients in the event of any complications. The article stated 'Pfizer’s UK boss refuses to explain why the business needs protection from legal action'. I think we now know why. We have already seen more than double the number of reported deaths associated with all other vaccines combined since 1990 in the US and more reported adverse reactions than all other other vaccinations combined in the same time frame, which would suggest it's not as "ok" as you might think. Trying to suppress the Pfizer trial data for 75 years would also suggest there is something to hide too, I'm sure many would agree. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 22, 2021 14:29:36 GMT
Yea, I'd rather go with the 8.7 billion vaccinated as testimony that't it ok to take it thanks. You go without the jab, good luck. What are the long term adverse reactions going to be? One of the execs at astrazeneca was obviously concerned as he pushed for exemption from covid vaccine liability claims, saying "This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects." As I have also previously shown, The UK government changed the law to give new protections to pharma companies, giving them immunity from being sued by patients in the event of any complications. The article stated 'Pfizer’s UK boss refuses to explain why the business needs protection from legal action'. I think we now know why. We have already seen more than double the number of reported deaths associated with all other vaccines combined since 1990 in the US and more reported adverse reactions than all other other vaccinations combined in the same time frame, which would suggest it's not as "ok" as you might think. Trying to suppress the Pfizer trial data for 75 years would also suggest there is something to hide too, I'm sure many would agree. That's fascinating. |
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Post by oliverhelmet on Dec 22, 2021 14:54:04 GMT
Speaking personally,there is a far bigger chance of me catching and dying from covid in the next 4 years if I didn’t have the vaccine rather than dying from possible side effects.That probably applies to many many people in the general population.That’s it.
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Post by baggins on Dec 22, 2021 14:58:55 GMT
Speaking personally,there is a far bigger chance of me catching and dying from covid in the next 4 years if I didn’t have the vaccine rather than dying from possible side effects.That probably applies to many many people in the general population.That’s it. Cue a Pirate twitter post in 3....2.....1 |
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Post by pirate on Dec 22, 2021 15:23:56 GMT
Speaking personally,there is a far bigger chance of me catching and dying from covid in the next 4 years if I didn’t have the vaccine rather than dying from possible side effects.That probably applies to many many people in the general population.That’s it. That might be the case for you if you are elderly or have underlying health conditions, but for the vast majority of the fit and healthy population the chances of serious covid complications is minimal and the average age of death from covid is over 80. As I said in a previous post, I'm pro choice and if it is your choice to get the vaccination then good luck to you and I wish you all the best with it. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 22, 2021 15:31:54 GMT
Hi guys , if you could stop quoting our resident crackpot in your posts it would be much appreciated. My blocking of him only works on his posts alone but not if he’s quoted in your posts .
Thanks awfully 😀👍
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Post by pirate on Dec 22, 2021 15:41:53 GMT
'Sticks and stones' etc from yattongas again. Boo hoo. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 22, 2021 16:17:22 GMT
Shame this thread has gone from people in the know posting news about the spread, vaccinations, variations, and how we can overcome and deal with this horror, into something I no longer want to read.
Oh well, decent useful debate ruined.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 22, 2021 17:59:21 GMT
None so blind as those who will not see. Of course, the FDA being sued and trying to suppress Pfizer trial data is "all just Twitter conspiracy rubbish." 🙄 🤣 It's rubbish, everything you post is just made up tin foil hat crap, found by trawling through google searches. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 22, 2021 19:02:43 GMT
Fingers crossed 🤞
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Post by aghast on Dec 22, 2021 20:43:14 GMT
The thing is with Pirate, he takes the time and trouble to provide evidence for his opinions. You might not agree with the evidence or think it is credible, and as a matter of fact I think the dissenting scientists are a very small minority of the medical community, but at least he doesn't just make controversial statements with no backup. You don't have to read or view his attachments, but they are there should you wish to.
Doesn't mean I agree with Pirate, but some of it is food for thought, if only to show that scientific opinion is divided.
Where I part company with some anti-vaxxers is in the conspiracy theories I've read which say that the dangers of vaccines are known but suppressed, by doctors under direct threat of losing their jobs, and the whole sorry Covid saga being some sort of means to an end in terms of control of the population by a hidden super-elite. There is a lot of this stuff out there.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 22, 2021 20:45:25 GMT
That is pretty damn good news. Of course the issue could be statistical again though. What’s worse - a delta which infects 1m people in which 10,000 go to hospital, or Omicron which infects 10m people which 30,000 go to hospital? The numbers are made up and for illustrative purposes only, but it can still show why a lockdown can still be needed, even if the news is good. |
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