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Post by pirate on Dec 23, 2021 12:11:14 GMT
Vast majority unlikely to be vulnerable though.  Not just the vulnerable though, is it. They have carers, family, deliveries, etc. Add in long covid and undiagnosed health conditions, plus increased absenteeism both in general and amongst key workers. On which note, you've refused any of the vaccines as 'we don't know the long term health affects'. Same for long covid. We are all in this together and as they say, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Considering it currently looks to be driven by the vaccinated according to the data, perhaps the vaccinated are the ones who should be locked down, face more restrictions and test more regularly? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 23, 2021 13:29:44 GMT
Things change, more recently he's said this: "Professor Van Tam further told BBC Breakfast that mask wearing is useful but they "are probably most useful when used in combination with other things." England’s deputy chief medical officer said that, outdoors, ventilation is the most important factor, but masks should be worn if others feel uncomfortable or if authorities ask a person to do so. He added: "If you then went into an indoor setting, which involves food and drink, then it becomes very difficult because you don’t wear them at the table." “You can’t take them on and off in between sips of a drink. And so really what you should do, in my view, is to wear masks when mobile, and use them as you’re entering and exiting the premises.” " In isolation it may be 'just' useful but all these little things add up to help prevent spread. It's clear from the vast majority of studies I've read that the masks most people wear are virtually useless at preventing the spread. Read better studies. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 23, 2021 13:44:07 GMT
Not just the vulnerable though, is it. They have carers, family, deliveries, etc. Add in long covid and undiagnosed health conditions, plus increased absenteeism both in general and amongst key workers. On which note, you've refused any of the vaccines as 'we don't know the long term health affects'. Same for long covid. We are all in this together and as they say, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Considering it currently looks to be driven by the vaccinated according to the data, perhaps the vaccinated are the ones who should be locked down, face more restrictions and test more regularly? So the vaccinated are making it worse? You really are thick. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 13:59:10 GMT
See that the Oxford AZ vaccine is so poor against omicron (compared to Pf of mod) that they are having to flog it to third nation countries.
Wasn't Johnson saying our British vaccine was the best?
The man is such a born loser it's hilarious.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 23, 2021 16:12:59 GMT
So pirate who says lockdowns are terrible and do more worse than good, kill people etc is now suggesting that the vaccinated (90% of the nation) should go into lockdown?
Making up as he goes along, getting a bit silly now.
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Post by baggins on Dec 23, 2021 16:33:12 GMT
So pirate who says lockdowns are terrible and do more worse than good, kill people etc is now suggesting that the vaccinated (90% of the nation) should go into lockdown? Making up as he goes along, getting a bit silly now. Bloke's an idiot. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 23, 2021 16:38:42 GMT
Haha you lot still wasting your time trying to convince that twerp ?
It’s a waste of time 🙄😂
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Post by pirate on Dec 23, 2021 18:23:57 GMT
So pirate who says lockdowns are terrible and do more worse than good, kill people etc is now suggesting that the vaccinated (90% of the nation) should go into lockdown? Making up as he goes along, getting a bit silly now. Yeah, because I wasn't being really totally serious and not sarcastic at all when I suggested that the vaccinated should be locked down etc. 🙄 |
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Post by pirate on Dec 23, 2021 18:25:24 GMT
So pirate who says lockdowns are terrible and do more worse than good, kill people etc is now suggesting that the vaccinated (90% of the nation) should go into lockdown? Making up as he goes along, getting a bit silly now. Bloke's an idiot. Projection lad. You have shown yourself to be nearly as thick as that yattongas. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 23, 2021 18:31:19 GMT
Interesting.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 23, 2021 19:53:04 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Dec 23, 2021 20:33:17 GMT
Facts
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 23, 2021 20:55:20 GMT
Read past the headlines, Wes. "Stop Press: We’re doing some digging into this to try to corroborate it. Treat with caution until further notice. Stop Press 2: We trawled through the various websites of the Italian National Institute of Health (NIH) and National Institute of Statistics to try to corroborate this piece from an Italian newspaper, and it appears to be based on this report (in English) published on or before October 20th. The author of the piece is effectively stating his opinion that only those who died of Covid without comorbidities (2.9%) should be counted as a Covid death, and then extrapolates from there to suggest that the ‘real’ Covid death toll over the period in question was only 3,783. This is all contrary to the report itself and to the NIH’s detailed guidance (in Italian) on how to classify Covid deaths. It thus seems as though the article severely misrepresents the position of the NIH, but a lot seems to have been lost in translation and this is really just an opinion piece where the author is poking fun at the NIH while trying to make a point about the risks of Covid." |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 23, 2021 21:49:32 GMT
aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100 Did you read that? It actually says masks work. Also, Boris is a bufoon so him not wearing a mask is hardly a surprise. That particular study showed that cloth face masks reduced indoor aerosols by at most 10% and surgical masks 12%, but not enough to prevent infections. It says The R95 masks reduced indoor aerosols by 60% and KN95 by 46%. “I’ve spoken to a Professor who’s done a review for WHO on wearing of face masks and we’re of the same mind. In terms of hard evidence and what the UK Government recommends, we do not recommend face masks for general wearing by the public” - Jonathan Van Tam, the deputy chief medical officer. You are just wrong. The link you provided literally states: "Recent observational studies and meta-analyses of mask effectiveness have estimated that mask usage reduces the risk of respiratory virus spread by 70% to 80%". It goes on: "There is, however, evidence that communities in which masks were in widespread use exhibited significantly reduced community spread" For some reason you decided to chose the data on cloth face masks to show that face masks don't work. Really? No sh**. My homemade crash helmet isn't as effective as the one I bought in Fowlers. FML. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 23, 2021 23:51:48 GMT
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Post by pirate on Dec 24, 2021 0:26:39 GMT
Read past the headlines, Wes. "Stop Press: We’re doing some digging into this to try to corroborate it. Treat with caution until further notice. Stop Press 2: We trawled through the various websites of the Italian National Institute of Health (NIH) and National Institute of Statistics to try to corroborate this piece from an Italian newspaper, and it appears to be based on this report (in English) published on or before October 20th. The author of the piece is effectively stating his opinion that only those who died of Covid without comorbidities (2.9%) should be counted as a Covid death, and then extrapolates from there to suggest that the ‘real’ Covid death toll over the period in question was only 3,783. This is all contrary to the report itself and to the NIH’s detailed guidance (in Italian) on how to classify Covid deaths. It thus seems as though the article severely misrepresents the position of the NIH, but a lot seems to have been lost in translation and this is really just an opinion piece where the author is poking fun at the NIH while trying to make a point about the risks of Covid." Numbers correlate with what we are seeing in this country and elsewhere for deaths with comorbidities. In England, from a weekly summary file from earlier this month, we can see that over 95% of all deaths had pre-existing conditions. < 1% of the deaths are in the under 60s without pre-existing conditions. For the under 40s without pre-existing conditions it is 0.16%.
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Post by pirate on Dec 24, 2021 0:35:16 GMT
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Post by pirate on Dec 24, 2021 0:35:49 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Dec 24, 2021 0:39:12 GMT
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Post by pirate on Dec 24, 2021 0:45:50 GMT
That passive-aggressive mid life crisis fella again. 👆🏻 😆
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