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Post by Gassy on Dec 26, 2021 12:09:40 GMT
You haven’t actually read the article apart from the abstract, have you? It’s showing that the low effectiveness of surgical masks comes from people not wearing them correctly and leaving gaps. When applied correctly surgical masks are 47% effective. KN/R95 masks are 95% effective when work properly. Education is needed to ensure people wear them correctly, but it is quite literally a fact that masks reduce transmission. Even at the lowest end worn incorrectly, 12% has saved thousands of British lives.
You can’t even deny this. To do so is like denying the existence of oxygen. You've no real evidence to back up that fact that cutting just 10% of COVID particles has saved thousands of lives? I can see the logic of using masks on enclosed places like public transport but less so in supermarkets etc. It’s statistics, Topper. If 10% of people didn’t get covid because of wearing masks then more people survive. It’s the equivalent of clothes protecting you from cold weather, the more you wear the higher chance you have of survival in the cold. You don’t need a study to prove it. You can find some information here as an example www.statnews.com/2020/10/23/universal-mask-use-could-save-130000-lives-by-the-end-of-february-new-modeling-study-says/What makes you say less so in supermarkets? The busiest places in the country with tens of thousands a day who stand next to each other and touch each other’s food/items in doors? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 26, 2021 12:11:14 GMT
You haven’t actually read the article apart from the abstract, have you? It’s showing that the low effectiveness of surgical masks comes from people not wearing them correctly and leaving gaps. When applied correctly surgical masks are 47% effective. KN/R95 masks are 95% effective when work properly. Education is needed to ensure people wear them correctly, but it is quite literally a fact that masks reduce transmission. Even at the lowest end worn incorrectly, 12% has saved thousands of British lives.
You can’t even deny this. To do so is like denying the existence of oxygen. You've no real evidence to back up that fact that cutting just 10% of COVID particles has saved thousands of lives? I can see the logic of using masks on enclosed places like public transport but less so in supermarkets etc. Because all those open air supermarkets have such wide aisles. f**ks sake. Pirates own link proved that masks work even though he dishonesty presented the data to say they were 10% effective. Home made masks and ones not correctly fitted provided more protection from Coronavirus than not wearing one. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 26, 2021 13:01:20 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 26, 2021 13:53:22 GMT
You've no real evidence to back up that fact that cutting just 10% of COVID particles has saved thousands of lives? I can see the logic of using masks on enclosed places like public transport but less so in supermarkets etc. Because all those open air supermarkets have such wide aisles. f**ks sake. Pirates own link proved that masks work even though he dishonesty presented the data to say they were 10% effective. Home made masks and ones not correctly fitted provided more protection from Coronavirus than not wearing one. But only around 10% so you've still got 90% chance of catching COVID whilst wearing a mask. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 26, 2021 13:59:53 GMT
Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark previously suspended their use of the Moderna mRNA injection because of concerns about the side effects.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 26, 2021 14:17:00 GMT
Because all those open air supermarkets have such wide aisles. f**ks sake. Pirates own link proved that masks work even though he dishonesty presented the data to say they were 10% effective. Home made masks and ones not correctly fitted provided more protection from Coronavirus than not wearing one. But only around 10% so you've still got 90% chance of catching COVID whilst wearing a mask. And bam, just like that, covid misinformation has spread from pirate to you. The article states that surgical masks are found to be 12% effective due to people not wearing them correctly. Worn properly, they’re 47% effective. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 26, 2021 14:31:20 GMT
But only around 10% so you've still got 90% chance of catching COVID whilst wearing a mask. And bam, just like that, covid misinformation has spread from pirate to you. The article states that surgical masks are found to be 12% effective due to people not wearing them correctly. Worn properly, they’re 47% effective. You mean Hospital Staff aren't wearing them for fun? |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 26, 2021 14:32:21 GMT
It’s hard work this explaining facts to the hard of thinking isn’t it ? 😂
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Post by pirate on Dec 26, 2021 14:40:33 GMT
"We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection...In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."
The New England Journal of Medicine, May 21, 2020
[In the community setting] “Face masks are not designed or certified to protect the wearer from exposure to respiratory hazards.”
US National Academy of Sciences, 2010.
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Post by baggins on Dec 26, 2021 14:44:58 GMT
It’s hard work this explaining facts to the hard of thinking isn’t it ? 😂 I struggle to think every now and again, but even I get it. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 26, 2021 14:45:34 GMT
Because all those open air supermarkets have such wide aisles. f**ks sake. Pirates own link proved that masks work even though he dishonesty presented the data to say they were 10% effective. Home made masks and ones not correctly fitted provided more protection from Coronavirus than not wearing one. But only around 10% so you've still got 90% chance of catching COVID whilst wearing a mask. No, ffs Topper please don't start buying into Pirates nonsense. If your chance of catching covid was 100% then a poorly fitted homemade mask would give you a 10% chance of not catching it. A proper facemask, correctly worn would be 70% effective. In all cases, where masks are in use (of any kind), spread of covid is significantly reduced. This was all in one of the links Pirate gave, but he chose to ignore and wilfully promoted as masks don't work propaganda when in fact they do. And he knows it. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 26, 2021 14:49:31 GMT
"We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection...In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic." The New England Journal of Medicine, May 21, 2020 [In the community setting] “Face masks are not designed or certified to protect the wearer from exposure to respiratory hazards.” US National Academy of Sciences, 2010. Don't trust Pirate on this subject. He has a history of misinformation and willful distortion of the sources he himself provides. Wear a face mask people. It's not a tyranny, and it's not big and clever. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 26, 2021 14:59:00 GMT
"We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection...In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic." The New England Journal of Medicine, May 21, 2020 [In the community setting] “Face masks are not designed or certified to protect the wearer from exposure to respiratory hazards.” US National Academy of Sciences, 2010. Don't trust Pirate on this subject. He has a history of misinformation and willful distortion of the sources he himself provides. Wear a face mask people. It's not a tyranny, and it's not big and clever. That’s why he should be banned from posting in this section at least . If he influences just one person into believing his lies and mis/disinformation it could potentially cost lives. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 26, 2021 15:05:56 GMT
Don't trust Pirate on this subject. He has a history of misinformation and willful distortion of the sources he himself provides. Wear a face mask people. It's not a tyranny, and it's not big and clever. That’s why he should be banned from posting in this section at least . If he influences just one person into believing his lies and mis/disinformation it could potentially cost lives. Hitler did that. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 26, 2021 15:15:47 GMT
Don't trust Pirate on this subject. He has a history of misinformation and willful distortion of the sources he himself provides. Wear a face mask people. It's not a tyranny, and it's not big and clever. That’s why he should be banned from posting in this section at least . If he influences just one person into believing his lies and mis/disinformation it could potentially cost lives. You should be banned from this section for your misinformation/disinformation/lies that could potentially cost lives. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 26, 2021 16:07:53 GMT
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Post by francegas on Dec 26, 2021 16:26:59 GMT
No one should be banned. There's very few that post on this thread or even read this thread. I think we're all adults and can make our own minds up without being influenced by others.
I think we all know who the crackpot is 😉😉
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 26, 2021 16:27:43 GMT
That’s why he should be banned from posting in this section at least . If he influences just one person into believing his lies and mis/disinformation it could potentially cost lives. You should be banned from this section for your misinformation/disinformation/lies that could potentially cost lives. How many people have died from wearing a face mask? Asking for Topper. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 26, 2021 16:41:26 GMT
No one should be banned. There's very few that post on this thread or even read this thread. I think we're all adults and can make our own minds up without being influenced by others. I think we all know who the crackpot is 😉😉 Good of you to admit it France 👏 ps might of known you’d side with a crackpot 🙄 |
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Post by pirate on Dec 26, 2021 16:45:11 GMT
You should be banned from this section for your misinformation/disinformation/lies that could potentially cost lives. How many people have died from wearing a face mask? Asking for Topper. Not sure, but have seen reports of bacterial pneumonia, fungal infections and facial rashes associated with mask usage. Some masks contain microplastics. On microplastic consumption, in 2019 the European commission’s chief scientific advisers stated: "The evidence [on both environmental and health risks due to microplastics] provides grounds for genuine concern and for precaution to be exercised.” More recently, on August 17, 2020, researchers analyzed 47 human tissue samples. Traces of microplastics were found in all 47 samples. "We have detected these chemicals of plastics in every single organ that we have investigated.” - Senior researcher Rolf Halden, director of the Arizona State University (ASU) Biodesign Center for Environmental Health Engineering. Bad for the environment too. The paper COVID-19 Pandemic Repercussions on the Use and Management of Plastics published June 20, 2020 warns that a “monthly estimated use of 129 billion face masks and 65 billion gloves globally, is resulting in widespread environmental contamination.” You might also be interested in this article. In Kansas, counties without mask mandates actually had fewer Covid “cases” than counties with mask mandates. sentinelksmo.org/more-deception-kdhe-hid-data-to-justify-mask-mandate/ |
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