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Post by pirate on Dec 27, 2021 14:31:09 GMT
My position continues to be pro choice, pro bodily integrity, pro autonomy and pro human rights. I maintain there is no long term safety data on the injections and the fact there is more reported adverse reactions and double the amount of reported deaths attributed to the covid injections than all other vaccinations combined for the past 3 decades in the US is a cause for concern. The FDA trying to suppress the Pfizer trial data for 75 years would also appear to be highly suspicious. How many genuinely new vaccines have been utilised to battle a previously unknown pathogen since 1990 (your timeline)? I don't know, but I have seen have the recent University of Oxford study that showed heart inflammation risk was higher from the Moderna mRNA injection than COVID-19 for those aged under 40. I'd rather not take that risk. Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark also previously suspended their use of the Moderna mRNA injection for certain age demographics because of concerns about side effects. As for other vaccines, adults under 40 here were to be offered alternative vaccines to the (non mRNA) AstraZeneca-Oxford one over blood clot concerns and several other countries have banned it altogether. Dr. Robert Malone, one of the inventors of the mRNA Technology, has said - "This novel technology has not been adequately tested. We need at least 5 years of testing and research before we can really understand the risks associated with this new technology. The harms and risks from new medicines often become revealed many years later." To quote the Bayer President of Pharmaceuticals, Stefan Oelrich: “….The mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy. If we had surveyed 2 years ago in the public 'would you be willing to take a gene/cell therapy and inject It into your body?’, we would have had a 95% refusal rate.” |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 27, 2021 15:46:06 GMT
Couldn't help myself but have a peek. Thought you guys would love this. Re pirates last post Dr Roger malone - his twitter feed says 'I literally created mRNA vaccines when I was 28'. Hes now 61.  |
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Post by popuppirate on Dec 27, 2021 16:15:05 GMT
We all agree, Roger Malone is a Wanchor
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 27, 2021 16:21:35 GMT
Couldn't help myself but have a peek. Thought you guys would love this. Re pirates last post Dr Roger malone - his twitter feed says 'I literally created mRNA vaccines when I was 28'. Hes now 61. Just 2 more years of testing needed. #antivaxidiotmaths |
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Post by oldie on Dec 27, 2021 16:33:24 GMT
How many genuinely new vaccines have been utilised to battle a previously unknown pathogen since 1990 (your timeline)? I don't know, but I have seen have the recent University of Oxford study that showed heart inflammation risk was higher from the Moderna mRNA injection than COVID-19 for those aged under 40. I'd rather not take that risk. Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark also previously suspended their use of the Moderna mRNA injection for certain age demographics because of concerns about side effects. As for other vaccines, adults under 40 here were to be offered alternative vaccines to the (non mRNA) AstraZeneca-Oxford one over blood clot concerns and several other countries have banned it altogether. Dr. Robert Malone, one of the inventors of the mRNA Technology, has said - "This novel technology has not been adequately tested. We need at least 5 years of testing and research before we can really understand the risks associated with this new technology. The harms and risks from new medicines often become revealed many years later." To quote the Bayer President of Pharmaceuticals, Stefan Oelrich: “….The mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy. If we had surveyed 2 years ago in the public 'would you be willing to take a gene/cell therapy and inject It into your body?’, we would have had a 95% refusal rate.” "but I have seen have the recent University of Oxford study that showed heart inflammation risk was higher from the Moderna mRNA injection than COVID-19 for those aged under 40. So, we are nearly a year in. How many cases of inflammation of the heart due to Moderna or Pfizer were quoted in that study? Given that actual number how is that expressed as a % of actual vaccinations? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 27, 2021 20:12:45 GMT
I don't know, but I have seen have the recent University of Oxford study that showed heart inflammation risk was higher from the Moderna mRNA injection than COVID-19 for those aged under 40. I'd rather not take that risk. Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark also previously suspended their use of the Moderna mRNA injection for certain age demographics because of concerns about side effects. As for other vaccines, adults under 40 here were to be offered alternative vaccines to the (non mRNA) AstraZeneca-Oxford one over blood clot concerns and several other countries have banned it altogether. Dr. Robert Malone, one of the inventors of the mRNA Technology, has said - "This novel technology has not been adequately tested. We need at least 5 years of testing and research before we can really understand the risks associated with this new technology. The harms and risks from new medicines often become revealed many years later." To quote the Bayer President of Pharmaceuticals, Stefan Oelrich: “….The mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy. If we had surveyed 2 years ago in the public 'would you be willing to take a gene/cell therapy and inject It into your body?’, we would have had a 95% refusal rate.” "but I have seen have the recent University of Oxford study that showed heart inflammation risk was higher from the Moderna mRNA injection than COVID-19 for those aged under 40. So, we are nearly a year in. How many cases of inflammation of the heart due to Moderna or Pfizer were quoted in that study? Given that actual number how is that expressed as a % of actual vaccinations? Deaths from that vaccine (MHRA) = 0.0002% and with no confirmed causal link. Until the National Union of Hairdressers releases their data IN FULL we may never know the truth. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 27, 2021 20:31:44 GMT
"but I have seen have the recent University of Oxford study that showed heart inflammation risk was higher from the Moderna mRNA injection than COVID-19 for those aged under 40. So, we are nearly a year in. How many cases of inflammation of the heart due to Moderna or Pfizer were quoted in that study? Given that actual number how is that expressed as a % of actual vaccinations? Deaths from that vaccine (MHRA) = 0.0002% and with no confirmed causal link. Until the National Union of Hairdressers releases their data IN FULL we may never know the truth. "I just took some ecstasy, no telling what the side effects will be".
Dr Dre. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 27, 2021 20:33:42 GMT
How many genuinely new vaccines have been utilised to battle a previously unknown pathogen since 1990 (your timeline)? I don't know, but I have seen have the recent University of Oxford study that showed heart inflammation risk was higher from the Moderna mRNA injection than COVID-19 for those aged under 40. I'd rather not take that risk. Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark also previously suspended their use of the Moderna mRNA injection for certain age demographics because of concerns about side effects. As for other vaccines, adults under 40 here were to be offered alternative vaccines to the (non mRNA) AstraZeneca-Oxford one over blood clot concerns and several other countries have banned it altogether. Dr. Robert Malone, one of the inventors of the mRNA Technology, has said - "This novel technology has not been adequately tested. We need at least 5 years of testing and research before we can really understand the risks associated with this new technology. The harms and risks from new medicines often become revealed many years later." To quote the Bayer President of Pharmaceuticals, Stefan Oelrich: “….The mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy. If we had surveyed 2 years ago in the public 'would you be willing to take a gene/cell therapy and inject It into your body?’, we would have had a 95% refusal rate.”
“Sometimes the questions are complicated and the answers are simple.”
Dr. Seuss
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 27, 2021 20:36:18 GMT
"You Know What's Hard About Being The Smartest Person In The World? Everyone Else Is Stupid."
Dr. Robotnik
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 27, 2021 21:31:54 GMT
If anyone is interested, Jonathan Van Tam is doing this year's Royal Institution Christmas Lectures.
Shown on BBC4 from tomorrow at 8pm over the next three evenings.
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Post by pirate on Dec 27, 2021 21:52:39 GMT
I don't know, but I have seen have the recent University of Oxford study that showed heart inflammation risk was higher from the Moderna mRNA injection than COVID-19 for those aged under 40. I'd rather not take that risk. Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark also previously suspended their use of the Moderna mRNA injection for certain age demographics because of concerns about side effects. As for other vaccines, adults under 40 here were to be offered alternative vaccines to the (non mRNA) AstraZeneca-Oxford one over blood clot concerns and several other countries have banned it altogether. Dr. Robert Malone, one of the inventors of the mRNA Technology, has said - "This novel technology has not been adequately tested. We need at least 5 years of testing and research before we can really understand the risks associated with this new technology. The harms and risks from new medicines often become revealed many years later." To quote the Bayer President of Pharmaceuticals, Stefan Oelrich: “….The mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy. If we had surveyed 2 years ago in the public 'would you be willing to take a gene/cell therapy and inject It into your body?’, we would have had a 95% refusal rate.” "but I have seen have the recent University of Oxford study that showed heart inflammation risk was higher from the Moderna mRNA injection than COVID-19 for those aged under 40. So, we are nearly a year in. How many cases of inflammation of the heart due to Moderna or Pfizer were quoted in that study? Given that actual number how is that expressed as a % of actual vaccinations? However many cases it was, I weighed up the risk-benefit and didn't think I needed an injection with a higher risk of myocarditis than the risk of myocarditis posed by a Covid-19 infection itself. That isn't even mentioning all the other potential adverse reactions and lack of long term safety data. We know from data published earlier this month that over 95% of all deaths in England since the start of the pandemic had pre-existing medical conditions and just 160 of the total deaths in England in my age range of 39 or under had no pre-existing conditions, with the average age of death from covid being 82 - higher than average life expectancy itself. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 27, 2021 22:24:12 GMT
"but I have seen have the recent University of Oxford study that showed heart inflammation risk was higher from the Moderna mRNA injection than COVID-19 for those aged under 40. So, we are nearly a year in. How many cases of inflammation of the heart due to Moderna or Pfizer were quoted in that study? Given that actual number how is that expressed as a % of actual vaccinations? However many cases it was, I weighed up the risk-benefit and didn't think I needed an injection with a higher risk of myocarditis than the risk of myocarditis posed by a Covid-19 infection itself. That isn't even mentioning all the other potential adverse reactions and lack of long term safety data. We know from data published earlier this month that over 95% of all deaths in England since the start of the pandemic had pre-existing medical conditions and just 160 of the total deaths in England in my age range of 39 or under had no pre-existing conditions, with the average age of death from covid being 82 - higher than average life expectancy itself. Excellent So there we have it You will not have the vaccine because the risk of dying from Covid in your age group is low, lower than the risk of side affects. But, the big but, if by chance you do fall ill from Covid, ill enough to warrant medical intervention (and people in your age group do), you would expect medics to do just that, intervene, and put their own lives at risk, is that right? Additionally, you could catch it and as much as it is unlikely you might die, you could pass it on thus enhancing the chance of death in someone else. You are willing to take that risk, is that right? Some might call that selfish, others might call it cowardice. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 27, 2021 22:42:10 GMT
However many cases it was, I weighed up the risk-benefit and didn't think I needed an injection with a higher risk of myocarditis than the risk of myocarditis posed by a Covid-19 infection itself. That isn't even mentioning all the other potential adverse reactions and lack of long term safety data. We know from data published earlier this month that over 95% of all deaths in England since the start of the pandemic had pre-existing medical conditions and just 160 of the total deaths in England in my age range of 39 or under had no pre-existing conditions, with the average age of death from covid being 82 - higher than average life expectancy itself. Excellent So there we have it You will not have the vaccine because the risk of dying from Covid in your age group is low, lower than the risk of side affects. But, the big but, if by chance you do fall ill from Covid, ill enough to warrant medical intervention (and people in your age group do), you would expect medics to do just that, intervene, and put their own lives at risk, is that right? Additionally, you could catch it and as much as it is unlikely you might die, you could pass it on thus enhancing the chance of death in someone else. You are willing to take that risk, is that right? Some might call that selfish, others might call it cowardice. “Sometimes, the only choices you have are bad ones, but you still have to choose” Dr Who |
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Post by pirate on Dec 27, 2021 23:01:33 GMT
However many cases it was, I weighed up the risk-benefit and didn't think I needed an injection with a higher risk of myocarditis than the risk of myocarditis posed by a Covid-19 infection itself. That isn't even mentioning all the other potential adverse reactions and lack of long term safety data. We know from data published earlier this month that over 95% of all deaths in England since the start of the pandemic had pre-existing medical conditions and just 160 of the total deaths in England in my age range of 39 or under had no pre-existing conditions, with the average age of death from covid being 82 - higher than average life expectancy itself. Excellent So there we have it You will not have the vaccine because the risk of dying from Covid in your age group is low, lower than the risk of side affects. But, the big but, if by chance you do fall ill from Covid, ill enough to warrant medical intervention (and people in your age group do), you would expect medics to do just that, intervene, and put their own lives at risk, is that right? Additionally, you could catch it and as much as it is unlikely you might die, you could pass it on thus enhancing the chance of death in someone else. You are willing to take that risk, is that right? Some might call that selfish, others might call it cowardice. As I pay my taxes I expect the same treatment as anyone else. This hysterical type reaction is what I would expect from this part of the forum. Jeez. I could counter by saying the vaccinated could pass it on thus enhancing the chance of death in someone else too, as we know the vaccinated are also able to transmit the virus. I respect their decision to take the injections as you and others should respect the pro choice, pro bodily integrity and pro autonomy position of others who might not get the injection for various reasons. Who is going to be liable if something seriously adverse happens now the UK government has changed the law to give new protections to pharma companies, giving them immunity from being sued by patients in the event of any complications? If the Astrazeneca boss cannot take the risk, why should I? "This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects." |
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Post by oldie on Dec 27, 2021 23:18:11 GMT
Excellent So there we have it You will not have the vaccine because the risk of dying from Covid in your age group is low, lower than the risk of side affects. But, the big but, if by chance you do fall ill from Covid, ill enough to warrant medical intervention (and people in your age group do), you would expect medics to do just that, intervene, and put their own lives at risk, is that right? Additionally, you could catch it and as much as it is unlikely you might die, you could pass it on thus enhancing the chance of death in someone else. You are willing to take that risk, is that right? Some might call that selfish, others might call it cowardice. As I pay my taxes I expect the same treatment as anyone else. This hysterical type reaction is what I would expect from this part of the forum. Jeez. I could counter by saying the vaccinated could pass it on thus enhancing the chance of death in someone else too, as we know the vaccinated are also able to transmit the virus. I respect their decision to take the injections as you and others should respect the pro choice, pro bodily integrity and pro autonomy position of others who might not get the injection for various reasons. Who is going to be liable if something seriously adverse happens now the UK government has changed the law to give new protections to pharma companies, giving them immunity from being sued by patients in the event of any complications? If the Astrazeneca boss cannot take the risk, why should I? "This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects." No, I do not respect your decision. You are very deliberately making a choice based upon fear for yourself and a blatant disregard for others. I accept that I might get it, but I have done as much as I could to make myself as least a risk as possible to others. Triple vaxxed, (AZ and Pfizer), mask wearing etc. You have not. Your choice, I accept that you have that choice, but you are a coward Pirate. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 27, 2021 23:26:54 GMT
As I pay my taxes I expect the same treatment as anyone else. This hysterical type reaction is what I would expect from this part of the forum. Jeez. I could counter by saying the vaccinated could pass it on thus enhancing the chance of death in someone else too, as we know the vaccinated are also able to transmit the virus. I respect their decision to take the injections as you and others should respect the pro choice, pro bodily integrity and pro autonomy position of others who might not get the injection for various reasons. Who is going to be liable if something seriously adverse happens now the UK government has changed the law to give new protections to pharma companies, giving them immunity from being sued by patients in the event of any complications? If the Astrazeneca boss cannot take the risk, why should I? "This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects." No, I do not respect your decision. You are very deliberately making a choice based upon fear for yourself and a blatant disregard for others. I accept that I might get it, but I have done as much as I could to make myself as least a risk as possible to others. Triple vaxxed, (AZ and Pfizer), mask wearing etc. You have not. Your choice, I accept that you have that choice, but you are a coward Pirate. No, I'm getting on with life, you are cowering. If others choose to get the vaccine, what is the problem? |
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Post by oldie on Dec 28, 2021 7:34:43 GMT
No, I do not respect your decision. You are very deliberately making a choice based upon fear for yourself and a blatant disregard for others. I accept that I might get it, but I have done as much as I could to make myself as least a risk as possible to others. Triple vaxxed, (AZ and Pfizer), mask wearing etc. You have not. Your choice, I accept that you have that choice, but you are a coward Pirate. No, I'm getting on with life, you are cowering. If others choose to get the vaccine, what is the problem? Absolutely not cowering my friend. I am visiting family for the first time in two years. Which would have not been possible without both countries agreeing vaccine protocols. You carry on. Over here you can refuse the vaccine but if you become ill with covid you have to pay full cost for any care you need. |
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Post by francegas on Dec 28, 2021 7:43:13 GMT
No, I do not respect your decision. You are very deliberately making a choice based upon fear for yourself and a blatant disregard for others. I accept that I might get it, but I have done as much as I could to make myself as least a risk as possible to others. Triple vaxxed, (AZ and Pfizer), mask wearing etc. You have not. Your choice, I accept that you have that choice, but you are a coward Pirate. No, I'm getting on with life, you are cowering. If others choose to get the vaccine, what is the problem? We all want to get on with life Pirate but until such time as everyone is vaccinated we won't be able to. It is the selfishness of the unvaccinated here in France that means every time we go to a bar, restaurant, cinema, theatre even now some hotels we have to show our vaccine passport. We will continue to live in a two tier society of the vaccinated and unvaccinated until everyone does the right thing and gets themselves jabbed. There's no point anyone moaning they are restricted in life because they take the choice not to be jabbed. Your last sentence seems somewhat selfish as it comes across as "I'll carry on with life and depend on everyone else to get vaccinated to protect me so there's no problem" |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 28, 2021 7:44:04 GMT
No, I do not respect your decision. You are very deliberately making a choice based upon fear for yourself and a blatant disregard for others. I accept that I might get it, but I have done as much as I could to make myself as least a risk as possible to others. Triple vaxxed, (AZ and Pfizer), mask wearing etc. You have not. Your choice, I accept that you have that choice, but you are a coward Pirate. No, I'm getting on with life, you are cowering. If others choose to get the vaccine, what is the problem? The problem is not your decision to refuse the vaccine. That is absolutely your right and I would 100% stand beside you to defend that right. I'd give you a wide berth, obviously. The problem is that isn't enough for you. What you want to do is spread misinformation that endanger other people. You have deliberately misinterpreted studies, cherry picking the stat that masks are only 10% effective when you knew that the main thrust of that article actually proves that masks work. When you were challenged you ignored it. You have posted information from discredited "Doctors" on numerous occasions. Again, you ignore it when this is highlighted. You do have freedom of choice, but you should not have freedom to put others at risk by spreading misinformation. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 28, 2021 8:30:10 GMT
No, I'm getting on with life, you are cowering. If others choose to get the vaccine, what is the problem? The problem is not your decision to refuse the vaccine. That is absolutely your right and I would 100% stand beside you to defend that right. I'd give you a wide berth, obviously. The problem is that isn't enough for you. What you want to do is spread misinformation that endanger other people. You have deliberately misinterpreted studies, cherry picking the stat that masks are only 10% effective when you knew that the main thrust of that article actually proves that masks work. When you were challenged you ignored it. You have posted information from discredited "Doctors" on numerous occasions. Again, you ignore it when this is highlighted. You do have freedom of choice, but you should not have freedom to put others at risk by spreading misinformation. What I did was provide plenty of evidence that masks are ineffective, which you chose to ignore. There is no misinformation spread by me. No discredited doctors either. |
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