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Post by pirate on Dec 28, 2021 8:32:33 GMT
Good analysis here by pro vaccine Vinay Prasad MD MPH who is a hematologist-oncologist and Associate Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California San Francisco. Hope I won't be censured for posting this?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 28, 2021 8:43:58 GMT
The problem is not your decision to refuse the vaccine. That is absolutely your right and I would 100% stand beside you to defend that right. I'd give you a wide berth, obviously. The problem is that isn't enough for you. What you want to do is spread misinformation that endanger other people. You have deliberately misinterpreted studies, cherry picking the stat that masks are only 10% effective when you knew that the main thrust of that article actually proves that masks work. When you were challenged you ignored it. You have posted information from discredited "Doctors" on numerous occasions. Again, you ignore it when this is highlighted. You do have freedom of choice, but you should not have freedom to put others at risk by spreading misinformation. What I did was provide plenty of evidence that masks are ineffective, which you chose to ignore. There is no misinformation spread by me. No discredited doctors either. More lies. The study you provided literally stated that masks work!! Doctor Mammogram and Doctor Hellgay are definitely not reliable. You are dangerous and I sincerely hope that no Rovers fan believes you and stops wearing a mask. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 28, 2021 8:47:25 GMT
Good analysis here by pro vaccine Vinay Prasad MD MPH who is a hematologist-oncologist and Associate Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California San Francisco. Hope I won't be censured for posting this? You absolutely should be censored. You have shown a complete lack of ability to present information and understand sources. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 28, 2021 8:55:24 GMT
"but I have seen have the recent University of Oxford study that showed heart inflammation risk was higher from the Moderna mRNA injection than COVID-19 for those aged under 40. So, we are nearly a year in. How many cases of inflammation of the heart due to Moderna or Pfizer were quoted in that study? Given that actual number how is that expressed as a % of actual vaccinations? However many cases it was, I weighed up the risk-benefit and didn't think I needed an injection with a higher risk of myocarditis than the risk of myocarditis posed by a Covid-19 infection itself. That isn't even mentioning all the other potential adverse reactions and lack of long term safety data. We know from data published earlier this month that over 95% of all deaths in England since the start of the pandemic had pre-existing medical conditions and just 160 of the total deaths in England in my age range of 39 or under had no pre-existing conditions, with the average age of death from covid being 82 - higher than average life expectancy itself. Out of interest what's the relevance of life expectancy? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 28, 2021 8:59:25 GMT
However many cases it was, I weighed up the risk-benefit and didn't think I needed an injection with a higher risk of myocarditis than the risk of myocarditis posed by a Covid-19 infection itself. That isn't even mentioning all the other potential adverse reactions and lack of long term safety data. We know from data published earlier this month that over 95% of all deaths in England since the start of the pandemic had pre-existing medical conditions and just 160 of the total deaths in England in my age range of 39 or under had no pre-existing conditions, with the average age of death from covid being 82 - higher than average life expectancy itself. Out of interest what's the relevance of life expectancy? "I wanna live the way I like"
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Post by pirate on Dec 28, 2021 9:07:43 GMT
What I did was provide plenty of evidence that masks are ineffective, which you chose to ignore. There is no misinformation spread by me. No discredited doctors either. More lies. The study you provided literally stated that masks work!! Doctor Mammogram and Doctor Hellgay are definitely not reliable. You are dangerous and I sincerely hope that no Rovers fan believes you and stops wearing a mask. Here you go again with your lies and misinformation. Firstly I've already pointed out that "Doctor Mammogram" as you call him was NOT the source of the information provided, merely sharing an article by By Maryanne Demasi PhD about the the non-profit group of over 80 public health officers and medical researchers who formed an alliance , called Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency (PHMPT), who filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court to obtain and disseminate the data upon which the FDA made its decision to license Pfizer’s vaccine. The initial releases showed thousands of deaths and over 160,000 adverse reactions in the first 90 days of roll out and now the FDA want to suppress documents and release in full after 75 years. Secondly, Douglas W. Allen's remarks you are so offended by have nothing to do with his ability as an economist and even the state of Michigan defended Allen's remarks, arguing that they "did not taint the expert statistical conclusions he expressed in his testimony". He is respected and an award winning economist - see 2014 Douglass C. North Research Award from the International Society of New Institutional Economics, Excellence in Teaching Award SFU 2009, Dean's Silver Medal SFU 2000. Allen’s paper on lockdown cost-benefits by was peer reviewed and published in the International Journal of the Economics of Business. Looks like you are the one who is really being disingenuous here. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 28, 2021 9:08:16 GMT
Out of interest what's the relevance of life expectancy? "I wanna live the way I like"
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"Prepare yourself, you know it a must Gotta have a friend named Jesus So you know that when you die It's gonna recommend you to the Spirit in the sky" Dr and the Medics. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 28, 2021 9:10:10 GMT
However many cases it was, I weighed up the risk-benefit and didn't think I needed an injection with a higher risk of myocarditis than the risk of myocarditis posed by a Covid-19 infection itself. That isn't even mentioning all the other potential adverse reactions and lack of long term safety data. We know from data published earlier this month that over 95% of all deaths in England since the start of the pandemic had pre-existing medical conditions and just 160 of the total deaths in England in my age range of 39 or under had no pre-existing conditions, with the average age of death from covid being 82 - higher than average life expectancy itself. Out of interest what's the relevance of life expectancy? Some deaths may have been misattributed as deaths within 28 days of an infection are included in the statistics. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 28, 2021 9:18:55 GMT
Good analysis here by pro vaccine Vinay Prasad MD MPH who is a hematologist-oncologist and Associate Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California San Francisco. Hope I won't be censured for posting this? No doubt. That has been well documented. But what are the absolute numbers, then expressed as a % of vaccines administered. I cannot tell from the values expressed on that Twitter post. Nobody, I think, is claiming anything is 100% risk free. It's the balance and then a decision for the individual and the greater good. So, what are the %s'? |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 28, 2021 9:18:58 GMT
"I wanna live the way I like"
Dr Feelgood
"Prepare yourself, you know it a must Gotta have a friend named Jesus So you know that when you die It's gonna recommend you to the Spirit in the sky" Dr and the Medics. Norman Greenbaum!! |
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Post by oldie on Dec 28, 2021 9:20:00 GMT
However many cases it was, I weighed up the risk-benefit and didn't think I needed an injection with a higher risk of myocarditis than the risk of myocarditis posed by a Covid-19 infection itself. That isn't even mentioning all the other potential adverse reactions and lack of long term safety data. We know from data published earlier this month that over 95% of all deaths in England since the start of the pandemic had pre-existing medical conditions and just 160 of the total deaths in England in my age range of 39 or under had no pre-existing conditions, with the average age of death from covid being 82 - higher than average life expectancy itself. Out of interest what's the relevance of life expectancy? Older people can die, so if it's Covid, who cares, that's Pirate's stance. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 28, 2021 9:20:04 GMT
Out of interest what's the relevance of life expectancy? Some deaths may have been misattributed as deaths within 28 days of an infection are included in the statistics. How many would have died anyway, regardless of Covid? How many have died not having covid but as a consequence of being unable to access treatment or died of covid but not within the 28 days? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 28, 2021 9:22:21 GMT
"Prepare yourself, you know it a must Gotta have a friend named Jesus So you know that when you die It's gonna recommend you to the Spirit in the sky" Dr and the Medics. Norman Greenbaum!! Thanks Dad. 😀 I know, but it didn't fit in with the Dr references. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 28, 2021 9:25:11 GMT
Good analysis here by pro vaccine Vinay Prasad MD MPH who is a hematologist-oncologist and Associate Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California San Francisco. Hope I won't be censured for posting this? No doubt. That has been well documented. But what are the absolute numbers, then expressed as a % of vaccines administered. I cannot tell from the values expressed on that Twitter post. Nobody, I think, is claiming anything is 100% risk free. It's the balance and then a decision for the individual and the greater good. So, what are the %s'? Read his analysis provided for "balance and then a decision for the individual and the greater good". vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified |
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Post by pirate on Dec 28, 2021 9:25:54 GMT
Out of interest what's the relevance of life expectancy? Older people can die, so if it's Covid, who cares, that's Pirate's stance. No, it isn't. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 28, 2021 9:33:53 GMT
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Post by pirate on Dec 28, 2021 9:37:18 GMT
Some deaths may have been misattributed as deaths within 28 days of an infection are included in the statistics. How many would have died anyway, regardless of Covid? How many have died not having covid but as a consequence of being unable to access treatment or died of covid but not within the 28 days? Your first question is certainly relevant, which is partly why I highlighted the average age of death from covid being 82 and higher than life expectancy itself. Could some of these have died anyway from natural causes and been misattributed as death 'with' covid and added to the covid toll? Your second question is relevant and ties into my previous post about lockdowns and them being "282 times worse than their benefits" according to the peer-reviewed paper on lockdown cost-benefits by award winning economics Professor Douglas W Allen published in the International Journal of the Economics of Business. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 28, 2021 9:44:11 GMT
Professor Douglas W Allen
Gays are going to hell unless they repent 🙄
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 28, 2021 9:45:41 GMT
Professor Douglas W Allen Gays are going to hell unless they repent 🙄 He's a good person. Besides, it doesn't count if you quote him quoting someone else. |
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Post by popuppirate on Dec 28, 2021 9:46:48 GMT
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