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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 28, 2021 9:46:53 GMT
No doubt. That has been well documented. But what are the absolute numbers, then expressed as a % of vaccines administered. I cannot tell from the values expressed on that Twitter post. Nobody, I think, is claiming anything is 100% risk free. It's the balance and then a decision for the individual and the greater good. So, what are the %s'? Read his analysis provided for "balance and then a decision for the individual and the greater good". vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratifiedStatistics are fairly neutral, mostly having something for everyone depending on interpretation and open to personal preconceptions. Interesting how your sources seem sceptical, sure you aren't looking for them? "Dr. Prasad and I have had our disagreements before, beginning with his expressions of utter contempt for debunking alternative medicine. More recently, this guru of evidence-based oncology and medicine, who has in the past correctly called out weak clinical science, has praised execrable dumpster diving in the VAERS database not unlike what antivaxxers used to do before the pandemic as a “bombshell” study from a “dream team.” Of late, although not antivaccine, he’s been increasingly what we refer to as a “COVID-19 contrarian,” a physician or scientist who engages in increasingly unscientific takes on the public health response to COVID-19 that aren’t explicitly antimask and antivaccine but have the effect of lending aid and comfort, in terms of apparent science, to antimaskers and antivaxxers. Dr. Prasad had been drifting more and more towards right wing COVID-19 minimization, but I really never predicted that he’d fall so far so quickly. It’s depressing." respectfulinsolence.com/2021/10/04/vinay-prasad-goes-full-godwin/ |
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Post by pirate on Dec 28, 2021 9:50:48 GMT
Interesting how your sources seem sceptical, sure you aren't looking for them? "Dr. Prasad and I have had our disagreements before, beginning with his expressions of utter contempt for debunking alternative medicine. More recently, this guru of evidence-based oncology and medicine, who has in the past correctly called out weak clinical science, has praised execrable dumpster diving in the VAERS database not unlike what antivaxxers used to do before the pandemic as a “bombshell” study from a “dream team.” Of late, although not antivaccine, he’s been increasingly what we refer to as a “COVID-19 contrarian,” a physician or scientist who engages in increasingly unscientific takes on the public health response to COVID-19 that aren’t explicitly antimask and antivaccine but have the effect of lending aid and comfort, in terms of apparent science, to antimaskers and antivaxxers. Dr. Prasad had been drifting more and more towards right wing COVID-19 minimization, but I really never predicted that he’d fall so far so quickly. It’s depressing." respectfulinsolence.com/2021/10/04/vinay-prasad-goes-full-godwin/Was looking for the myocarditis study and saw his excellent balanced analysis. Care to refute his analysis, or just stick to the straw man argument? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 28, 2021 9:52:45 GMT
"Doc, you've got to find a cure or we're gonna die"
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Post by yattongas on Dec 28, 2021 9:54:25 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 28, 2021 9:59:19 GMT
Interesting how your sources seem sceptical, sure you aren't looking for them? "Dr. Prasad and I have had our disagreements before, beginning with his expressions of utter contempt for debunking alternative medicine. More recently, this guru of evidence-based oncology and medicine, who has in the past correctly called out weak clinical science, has praised execrable dumpster diving in the VAERS database not unlike what antivaxxers used to do before the pandemic as a “bombshell” study from a “dream team.” Of late, although not antivaccine, he’s been increasingly what we refer to as a “COVID-19 contrarian,” a physician or scientist who engages in increasingly unscientific takes on the public health response to COVID-19 that aren’t explicitly antimask and antivaccine but have the effect of lending aid and comfort, in terms of apparent science, to antimaskers and antivaxxers. Dr. Prasad had been drifting more and more towards right wing COVID-19 minimization, but I really never predicted that he’d fall so far so quickly. It’s depressing." respectfulinsolence.com/2021/10/04/vinay-prasad-goes-full-godwin/Was looking for the myocarditis study and saw his excellent balanced analysis. Care to refute his analysis, or just stick to the straw man argument? How do you know it's balanced? He dismissed some of the figures immediately and started referring to needing more age and gender specific details. As I already said, statistics are open to misinterpretation. The quote above is background to show my point about personal preconceptions, are you sure he hasn't taken a bit of information in isolation and is presenting it in such a way to convince those who want to believe him? |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 28, 2021 10:03:09 GMT
Good analysis here by pro vaccine Vinay Prasad MD MPH who is a hematologist-oncologist and Associate Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California San Francisco. Hope I won't be censured for posting this? You absolutely should be censored. You have shown a complete lack of ability to present information and understand sources. But…… he never is 🙄 |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 28, 2021 10:06:17 GMT
You absolutely should be censored. You have shown a complete lack of ability to present information and understand sources. But…… he never is 🙄 My only suggestion would be to ignore what he posts when it's opinion and report anything that is obviously misleading or dangerous to the Mod team. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 28, 2021 10:09:58 GMT
No doubt. That has been well documented. But what are the absolute numbers, then expressed as a % of vaccines administered. I cannot tell from the values expressed on that Twitter post. Nobody, I think, is claiming anything is 100% risk free. It's the balance and then a decision for the individual and the greater good. So, what are the %s'? Read his analysis provided for "balance and then a decision for the individual and the greater good". vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratifiedNo, I don't need to. It is you who is putting up the Twitter posts. So again, I ask you, what are the absolute numbers and what are they as a % of vaccines administered? Without that context it's all meaningless. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 28, 2021 10:22:09 GMT
My only suggestion would be to ignore what he posts when it's opinion and report anything that is obviously misleading or dangerous to the Mod team. Looks like they have made their decision and also looks like you may have been forced to make one of your own (as a result?). If so, credit to you. Allowing the spread of covid misinformation is a shame on them in my opinion. Fairly sure proboards will take a different opinion when it hits them. support.proboards.com/thread/661355/covid-19-global-health-emergency |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 28, 2021 10:46:07 GMT
My only suggestion would be to ignore what he posts when it's opinion and report anything that is obviously misleading or dangerous to the Mod team. Looks like they have made their decision and also looks like you may have been forced to make one of your own (as a result?). If so, credit to you. Allowing the spread of covid misinformation is a shame on them in my opinion. Fairly sure proboards will take a different opinion when it hits them. support.proboards.com/thread/661355/covid-19-global-health-emergencyI fully endorse the Moderation team to do what they feel is correct. I deliberately stayed out of the discussion in order for the others to make a decision. This has been the standard we set for ourselves a long time ago to avoid us having to moderate a dispute we are too close to. The team have made their decision and have taken what action they felt necessary, as have I. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 28, 2021 10:50:34 GMT
Go Boris ! 🇬🇧
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 28, 2021 10:53:38 GMT
Looks like they have made their decision and also looks like you may have been forced to make one of your own (as a result?). If so, credit to you. Allowing the spread of covid misinformation is a shame on them in my opinion. Fairly sure proboards will take a different opinion when it hits them. support.proboards.com/thread/661355/covid-19-global-health-emergencyI fully endorse the Moderation team to do what they feel is correct. I deliberately stayed out of the discussion in order for the others to make a decision. This has been the standard we set for ourselves a long time ago to avoid us having to moderate a dispute we are too close to. The team have made their decision and have taken what action they felt necessary, as have I. Fair enough. One of their jobs should surely be to protect the platform though because as I say proboards will just shut this place down without a second thought. So regardless of their deliberation about whether allowing our platform to be used to potentially put people at risk or not is appropriate (hard decision that), there's surely good reason to act anyway. He doesn't need to be banned, he needs to stop posting sh**e and ruining the discussion for the rest of us. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 28, 2021 10:57:13 GMT
I fully endorse the Moderation team to do what they feel is correct. I deliberately stayed out of the discussion in order for the others to make a decision. This has been the standard we set for ourselves a long time ago to avoid us having to moderate a dispute we are too close to. The team have made their decision and have taken what action they felt necessary, as have I. Fair enough. One of their jobs should surely be to protect the platform though because as I say proboards will just shut this place down without a second thought. So regardless of their deliberation about whether allowing our platform to be used to potentially put people at risk or not is appropriate (hard decision that), there's surely good reason to act anyway. He doesn't need to be banned, he needs to stop posting sh**e and ruining the discussion for the rest of us. I don't disagree. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 28, 2021 10:59:16 GMT
I fully endorse the Moderation team to do what they feel is correct. I deliberately stayed out of the discussion in order for the others to make a decision. This has been the standard we set for ourselves a long time ago to avoid us having to moderate a dispute we are too close to. The team have made their decision and have taken what action they felt necessary, as have I. Fair enough. One of their jobs should surely be to protect the platform though because as I say proboards will just shut this place down without a second thought. So regardless of their deliberation about whether allowing our platform to be used to potentially put people at risk or not is appropriate (hard decision that), there's surely good reason to act anyway. He doesn't need to be banned, he needs to stop posting sh**e and ruining the discussion for the rest of us. Those of Us who post on this section know he spouts absolute dangerous rubbish but it’s those that just read and don’t comment that concern me . If he influences just one person not to take the vaccine it could have consequences. Personally I’m amazed he’s been allowed to churn out his nonsense for so long . |
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Post by francegas on Dec 28, 2021 11:00:15 GMT
Doctor Doctor.......The Thompson Twins
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 28, 2021 11:00:50 GMT
Fair enough. One of their jobs should surely be to protect the platform though because as I say proboards will just shut this place down without a second thought. So regardless of their deliberation about whether allowing our platform to be used to potentially put people at risk or not is appropriate (hard decision that), there's surely good reason to act anyway. He doesn't need to be banned, he needs to stop posting sh**e and ruining the discussion for the rest of us. Those of Us who post on this section know he spouts absolute dangerous rubbish but it’s those that just read and don’t comment that concern me . If he influences just one person not to take the vaccine it could have consequences. Personally I’m amazed he’s been allowed to churn out his nonsense for so long . Roverdrive would have had none of this nonsense. |
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Post by axegas on Dec 28, 2021 12:02:34 GMT
I fully endorse the Moderation team to do what they feel is correct. I deliberately stayed out of the discussion in order for the others to make a decision. This has been the standard we set for ourselves a long time ago to avoid us having to moderate a dispute we are too close to. The team have made their decision and have taken what action they felt necessary, as have I. Fair enough. One of their jobs should surely be to protect the platform though because as I say proboards will just shut this place down without a second thought. So regardless of their deliberation about whether allowing our platform to be used to potentially put people at risk or not is appropriate (hard decision that), there's surely good reason to act anyway. He doesn't need to be banned, he needs to stop posting sh**e and ruining the discussion for the rest of us. I raised this and posted a thread from Proboards support forum to the other mods where the creator of Proboards said in no uncertain terms that he would not tolerate any COVID misinformation on his platform. There was even a link on there where you could report forums/threads/posters that were guilty of this and a link to what Proboards considers trusted sources. With that in mind, I felt extremely uncomfortable with some of the nonsense being sprouted. Especially with the post that Hugo raised to us mods of Topper falling for the efficacy of masks that Pirate had posted. It’s a shame on two fronts really because I enjoy reading Pirates football related posts and I think that Hugo was an excellent moderator. So to lose them both over this is a bit of a blow, but we’ve come to right decision RE pirate eventually and I’m sure Hugo still has lots to contribute to this place as a poster. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 28, 2021 12:20:47 GMT
Fair enough. One of their jobs should surely be to protect the platform though because as I say proboards will just shut this place down without a second thought. So regardless of their deliberation about whether allowing our platform to be used to potentially put people at risk or not is appropriate (hard decision that), there's surely good reason to act anyway. He doesn't need to be banned, he needs to stop posting sh**e and ruining the discussion for the rest of us. I raised this and posted a thread from Proboards support forum to the other mods where the creator of Proboards said in no uncertain terms that he would not tolerate any COVID misinformation on his platform. There was even a link on there where you could report forums/threads/posters that were guilty of this and a link to what Proboards considers trusted sources. With that in mind, I felt extremely uncomfortable with some of the nonsense being sprouted. Especially with the post that Hugo raised to us mods of Topper falling for the efficacy of masks that Pirate had posted. It’s a shame on two fronts really because I enjoy reading Pirates football related posts and I think that Hugo was an excellent moderator. So to lose them both over this is a bit of a blow, but we’ve come to right decision RE pirate eventually and I’m sure Hugo still has lots to contribute to this place as a poster. I'm glad you have acted now and I think that it is the right decision for all users (even if just to keep the platform from being shut down). I dont want to appear sanctimonious but maybe for reflection consider some interim actions whilst you discuss and decide. He has been posting like this on and off for well over a year. You may know something about him (as I do) which makes you more lenient towards his behaviour but please bear in mind that the vast majority of readers will not. This makes them more likely to believe it (eg Topper) but worse still, the inaction of the moderators gives validity to the information. It will be seen by other readers either consciously or unconsciously as if his posts are "evidence" as valid as any other, which they are not. No offence, but us on this thread have done an awful lot more to moderate and combat covid misinformation on this forum than the mod team saw fit to do for an entire year. I might just suggest that maybe that warrants a review. I'll just add that losing Hugo as a moderator is vastly more damaging to this forum than losing someone who posts covid misinformation. You'd have done well perhaps to have better recognised how long Hugo had been mod and the respect he has here with all users. He's usually very balanced and correct. All the best. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 28, 2021 12:21:18 GMT
Fair enough. One of their jobs should surely be to protect the platform though because as I say proboards will just shut this place down without a second thought. So regardless of their deliberation about whether allowing our platform to be used to potentially put people at risk or not is appropriate (hard decision that), there's surely good reason to act anyway. He doesn't need to be banned, he needs to stop posting sh**e and ruining the discussion for the rest of us. I raised this and posted a thread from Proboards support forum to the other mods where the creator of Proboards said in no uncertain terms that he would not tolerate any COVID misinformation on his platform. There was even a link on there where you could report forums/threads/posters that were guilty of this and a link to what Proboards considers trusted sources. With that in mind, I felt extremely uncomfortable with some of the nonsense being sprouted. Especially with the post that Hugo raised to us mods of Topper falling for the efficacy of masks that Pirate had posted. It’s a shame on two fronts really because I enjoy reading Pirates football related posts and I think that Hugo was an excellent moderator. So to lose them both over this is a bit of a blow, but we’ve come to right decision RE pirate eventually and I’m sure Hugo still has lots to contribute to this place as a poster. I agree with all that apart from the last sentence 😊 |
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Post by axegas on Dec 28, 2021 12:37:05 GMT
I raised this and posted a thread from Proboards support forum to the other mods where the creator of Proboards said in no uncertain terms that he would not tolerate any COVID misinformation on his platform. There was even a link on there where you could report forums/threads/posters that were guilty of this and a link to what Proboards considers trusted sources. With that in mind, I felt extremely uncomfortable with some of the nonsense being sprouted. Especially with the post that Hugo raised to us mods of Topper falling for the efficacy of masks that Pirate had posted. It’s a shame on two fronts really because I enjoy reading Pirates football related posts and I think that Hugo was an excellent moderator. So to lose them both over this is a bit of a blow, but we’ve come to right decision RE pirate eventually and I’m sure Hugo still has lots to contribute to this place as a poster. I agree with all that apart from the last sentence 😊 That’s just coming from a perspective of a person who’s engaged with Pirate’s football stuff for years and mostly ignored his conspiracy stuff up until now. I can see how regulars of GC might feel different.  |
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