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Post by baggins on Dec 29, 2021 5:34:33 GMT
129k new cases not including Scotland & N Ireland 18 deaths and one of the lowest number in intensive care since mid October.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 29, 2021 6:54:02 GMT
129k new cases not including Scotland & N Ireland 18 deaths and one of the lowest number in intensive care since mid October. Good news if ICU cases aren’t going up but still a bit early to think it’s all over . Deaths always a lot lower on bank holidays . Hopefully Xmas doesn’t result in 1000’s of cases needing hospitalisation in coming weeks as this could overload hospitals at this time of year . Fingers crossed 🤞
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Post by yattongas on Dec 29, 2021 7:11:47 GMT
129k new cases not including Scotland & N Ireland 18 deaths and one of the lowest number in intensive care since mid October. Good news if ICU cases aren’t going up but still a bit early to think it’s all over . Deaths always a lot lower on bank holidays . Hopefully Xmas doesn’t result in 1000’s of cases needing hospitalisation in coming weeks as this could overload hospitals at this time of year . Fingers crossed 🤞
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Post by Gassy on Dec 29, 2021 7:23:13 GMT
At this rate by the end of Jan the entire country will have caught it. Feels a bit like going for herd immunity if im honest 180k new cases in France ! Mind you , ours would be a lot higher but don’t think the testing can keep up at the moment. 117k just for England alone, probably not far off France as a %, although apparently there are delays in reporting over Christmas which would make sense
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Post by Gassy on Dec 29, 2021 7:25:31 GMT
At this rate by the end of Jan the entire country will have caught it. Feels a bit like going for herd immunity if im honest Might not be a bad idea if the new variant is less harmful Yeah saw the BBC article on such low hospitalisations last night, sounds very positive tbf. There’s just so much we still don’t know sadly, I expect we’ll have a better idea in a couple of weeks. I also think a major point will be whether Omicron can reinfect people who already caught it, we know it was Vs other variants, but what about if you’ve caught Omicron already?
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 29, 2021 9:27:07 GMT
18 deaths and one of the lowest number in intensive care since mid October. Good news if ICU cases aren’t going up but still a bit early to think it’s all over . Deaths always a lot lower on bank holidays . Hopefully Xmas doesn’t result in 1000’s of cases needing hospitalisation in coming weeks as this could overload hospitals at this time of year . Fingers crossed 🤞 It's not just hospitalisations that is the worry, it's also the numbers of NHS staff having to call in sick because they have it. Let this get out of control and there is a risk there will be fewer doctors and nurses to care for them in the first place.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 29, 2021 9:48:48 GMT
Might not be a bad idea if the new variant is less harmful Yeah saw the BBC article on such low hospitalisations last night, sounds very positive tbf. There’s just so much we still don’t know sadly, I expect we’ll have a better idea in a couple of weeks. I also think a major point will be whether Omicron can reinfect people who already caught it, we know it was Vs other variants, but what about if you’ve caught Omicron already? I know that those who’ve caught covid before don’t get counted in figures if they subsequently get reinfected
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Post by yattongas on Dec 29, 2021 15:47:23 GMT
Covid-19 kills coronavirus and vaccine skeptic Robin Fransman, 53 Robin Fransman, a well-known critic of the Dutch coronavirus policy and an outspoken skeptic of the Covid-19 vaccines, died on Tuesday from Covid-19. The 53-year-old first revealed on Twitter that he tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus on the evening of December 3. His life came to an end on December 28 at the OLVG hospital in Amsterdam, Parool reported.
The economist first spoke out about the coronavirus measures in April 2020 in an article for the magazine ESB, for which he occasionally contributed articles dating back to at least 2016. In that article he examined the potential economic impact of the coronavirus measures, and called for a better cost-benefit analysis of the first lockdown that takes the quality-adjusted life-year (QALY) into account, and not just survival. The QALY is a measure of the burden caused by disease, with one QALY equivalent to a year of perfect health. He also acknowledged the long-term symptoms people face as a result of Covid-19, a syndrome later called Long Covid.
However, as time went on, he became increasingly critical and used his social media platforms to promote multiple conspiracy theories, some of which denounced the concept of Long Covid as a fantasy. He also downplayed the effectiveness of Covid-19 vaccines, and vowed to not yet get vaccinated against the disease. He said on November 28 in an answer to a question on Twitter that he himself was not vaccinated, but that it was fine for people in vulnerable health to get a jab. His infection was diagnosed five days later, he was hospitalized soon after, and he died one month to the day he sent his tweet.
Fransman was the founder of Herstel-NL, a controversial organization that lobbied for an alternative to lockdowns in the Netherlands starting in February. The group proposed scrapping the lockdown in favor of "safe zones" only for people who have vulnerable health. The plan was almost immediately derided and widely panned for proposing to relegate the elderly and those with health conditions to a second-class status through no fault of their own.
Herstel-NL initially included support from prominent people, including Professor Coen Teulings, the leader of the countries largest planning office, as well as Rabobank director Barbara Baarsma and economist Bas Jacobs. All three cut ties to the group soon after the lockdown alternative was publicized. Fransman alleged that they faced political pressure to split from Herstel-NL, but he refused to specify from where that pressure originated. Those who resigned from the group and several Cabinet members rejected Fransman's allegation.
In a later interview with newspaper AD, he said that what Herstel-NL wants is to give industry sectors space to make their own safe decisions for everyone. Lockdowns and strict measures may help some but not others, he argued. "Because this is not safe for students, for people in the hospitality industry, for shopkeepers and many other groups in society. The lives of the vulnerable are important, but also the lives of the less vulnerable. It's really not our intention to just throw open every door. We need to find a better balance."
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Post by yattongas on Dec 29, 2021 17:33:26 GMT
No LFT’s and no PCR tests unless you’re really lucky . This should help the covid numbers reduce 😂
Go Boris 🇬🇧 !
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 29, 2021 18:43:45 GMT
No LFT’s and no PCR tests unless you’re really lucky . This should help the covid numbers reduce 😂 Go Boris 🇬🇧 ! Suspect they are going for it. With Omicron confirmed in vast majority of community transmission and some good evidence its milder (with vaccines on board), let it go free. My advice, dont get sick for 6 months. Field hospitals for months.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 29, 2021 19:10:01 GMT
No LFT’s and no PCR tests unless you’re really lucky . This should help the covid numbers reduce 😂 Go Boris 🇬🇧 ! I thought it was just the LFT issue? Tbf, the government have been pretty good on testing after the first 5/6 months horror show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 19:26:03 GMT
No LFT’s and no PCR tests unless you’re really lucky . This should help the covid numbers reduce 😂 Go Boris 🇬🇧 ! I thought it was just the LFT issue? Tbf, the government have been pretty good on testing after the first 5/6 months horror show. Open chequebook for them, there were many fallow months for them to catch up. Hard to grasp how contagious omicron is. It's spreading sooo fast, unlike anything else ever seen? I mean flu season is bad but you'd only ever get a family member or two with it... Obviously there's never an actual test to say someone has lurgy or not.
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Post by oliverhelmet on Dec 29, 2021 20:07:27 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Dec 29, 2021 21:37:38 GMT
129k new cases not including Scotland & N Ireland 18 deaths and one of the lowest number in intensive care since mid October. Just read nhs England haven’t added deaths since 24th dec , so expect a big increase tomorrow. Also hospitalisations gone up 1k a day for last 4 days .
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Post by baggins on Dec 30, 2021 5:46:15 GMT
18 deaths and one of the lowest number in intensive care since mid October. Just read nhs England haven’t added deaths since 24th dec , so expect a big increase tomorrow. Also hospitalisations gone up 1k a day for last 4 days . 57 deaths yesterday. 8246 in hospital, of which 842 on ventilators. It was also mentioned yesterday the average hospital stay (for those not on ventilators) has gone down from 8 days to 3. Seeing as the NHS now has 30,000 ventilators, I'm feeling a bit more confident this can be overcome.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 8:22:11 GMT
Just read nhs England haven’t added deaths since 24th dec , so expect a big increase tomorrow. Also hospitalisations gone up 1k a day for last 4 days . 57 deaths yesterday. 8246 in hospital, of which 842 on ventilators. It was also mentioned yesterday the average hospital stay (for those not on ventilators) has gone down from 8 days to 3. Seeing as the NHS now has 30,000 ventilators, I'm feeling a bit more confident this can be overcome. It'll be overcome, but at what cost? The government wanted immediate herd immunity from the start, with no vaccine! Luckily we had a strong scientific community to prevent an even bigger massacre.
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Post by baggins on Dec 30, 2021 8:29:04 GMT
57 deaths yesterday. 8246 in hospital, of which 842 on ventilators. It was also mentioned yesterday the average hospital stay (for those not on ventilators) has gone down from 8 days to 3. Seeing as the NHS now has 30,000 ventilators, I'm feeling a bit more confident this can be overcome. It'll be overcome, but at what cost? The government wanted immediate herd immunity from the start, with no vaccine! Luckily we had a strong scientific community to prevent an even bigger massacre. You mean a financial cost? Or humanitarian cost? Financial, no idea. Humanitarian? Well, guess we could add up the deaths. I'm not exactly sure what you mean? Trying to be positive.
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 30, 2021 9:40:31 GMT
57 deaths yesterday. 8246 in hospital, of which 842 on ventilators. It was also mentioned yesterday the average hospital stay (for those not on ventilators) has gone down from 8 days to 3. Seeing as the NHS now has 30,000 ventilators, I'm feeling a bit more confident this can be overcome. It'll be overcome, but at what cost? The government wanted immediate herd immunity from the start, with no vaccine! Luckily we had a strong scientific community to prevent an even bigger massacre. My recollection is that it was the option recommended by the scientific community in the early stages of the Pandemic as little was then known about how to control the spread etc.
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Post by aghast on Dec 30, 2021 17:35:51 GMT
Good news if ICU cases aren’t going up but still a bit early to think it’s all over . Deaths always a lot lower on bank holidays . Hopefully Xmas doesn’t result in 1000’s of cases needing hospitalisation in coming weeks as this could overload hospitals at this time of year . Fingers crossed 🤞 It's not just hospitalisations that is the worry, it's also the numbers of NHS staff having to call in sick because they have it. Let this get out of control and there is a risk there will be fewer doctors and nurses to care for them in the first place. Having been behind the measures all along, not exactly happily but in a spirit of 'all in it together', I'm finally now coming close to breaking ranks with the official cautious advice. It seems to me the level per head of deaths and hospitalisations is something like flu levels. We can't struggle by with skeleton staff in hospitals, the railways, postal service and many others, when the admittedly high number of infected people being forced to stay off work are overwhelmingly suffering little more than a nasty cold. Pubs, restaurants, clubs, travel are all being squeezed. Football is almost back to closed doors games. And so very few are actually seriously ill at all. It might sound a bit heartless for those who may still lose loved ones, but in my view we have to accept this as a nasty bug now, and not treat it as a killer disease. Well that's almost my view. 90%. Still a little bit of me is worried, of course.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 30, 2021 17:37:36 GMT
It'll be overcome, but at what cost? The government wanted immediate herd immunity from the start, with no vaccine! Luckily we had a strong scientific community to prevent an even bigger massacre. My recollection is that it was the option recommended by the scientific community in the early stages of the Pandemic as little was then known about how to control the spread etc. LONDON — The British government’s Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance has apologized for not being clear when he previously presented the concept of “herd immunity” as a potential way out of the coronavirus pandemic, saying he didn’t mean that was the government’s plan. Herd immunity refers to the state where enough members of the population have acquired immunity to a disease so that it cannot spread within that group. Speaking to MPs on the House of Commons health committee, Vallance stressed Tuesday that when he presented this concept at a press conference in mid-March, he did not mean that the U.K. should try to get immunity through this route. He reiterated that the strategy has always been trying to suppress the peak and keep it below the level at which the National Health Service can cope. “I should be clear about what I was trying to say, and if I didn’t say this clearly enough then I apologize,” he said. “What I was trying to say was that, in the absence of a therapeutic, the way in which you can stop a community becoming susceptible to this is through immunity and immunity can be obtained by vaccination, or it can be obtained by people who have the infection.” Vallance is the most senior government figure to have openly discussed herd immunity before the U.K. lockdown was announced. At a press conference on March 12, he said of the coronavirus: “Our aim is not to stop everyone getting it, you can’t do that. And it’s not desirable, because you want to get some immunity in the population. We need to have immunity to protect ourselves from this in the future.” He fleshed this idea out on BBC Radio 4 the following morning, stating: “Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not to suppress it completely. Also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some degree of herd immunity as well, so that more people are immune to this disease.” At Tuesday’s committee hearing, Vallance said evidence from around the world suggests the vast majority of people who have had coronavirus have “some form of antibody response,” adding that this “looks quite promising.” However, he cautioned it is not yet known what level of protection people get after being infected with coronavirus. He said experts still need to solve three big questions: what level of immune protection those antibodies confer; whether people acquire absolute immunity, and whether someone can still carry the virus and be infectious after having developed antibodies.
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