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Post by trevorgas on Dec 30, 2021 17:39:27 GMT
My recollection is that it was the option recommended by the scientific community in the early stages of the Pandemic as little was then known about how to control the spread etc. LONDON — The British government’s Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance has apologized for not being clear when he previously presented the concept of “herd immunity” as a potential way out of the coronavirus pandemic, saying he didn’t mean that was the government’s plan. Herd immunity refers to the state where enough members of the population have acquired immunity to a disease so that it cannot spread within that group. Speaking to MPs on the House of Commons health committee, Vallance stressed Tuesday that when he presented this concept at a press conference in mid-March, he did not mean that the U.K. should try to get immunity through this route. He reiterated that the strategy has always been trying to suppress the peak and keep it below the level at which the National Health Service can cope. “I should be clear about what I was trying to say, and if I didn’t say this clearly enough then I apologize,” he said. “What I was trying to say was that, in the absence of a therapeutic, the way in which you can stop a community becoming susceptible to this is through immunity and immunity can be obtained by vaccination, or it can be obtained by people who have the infection.” Vallance is the most senior government figure to have openly discussed herd immunity before the U.K. lockdown was announced. At a press conference on March 12, he said of the coronavirus: “Our aim is not to stop everyone getting it, you can’t do that. And it’s not desirable, because you want to get some immunity in the population. We need to have immunity to protect ourselves from this in the future.” He fleshed this idea out on BBC Radio 4 the following morning, stating: “Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not to suppress it completely. Also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some degree of herd immunity as well, so that more people are immune to this disease.” At Tuesday’s committee hearing, Vallance said evidence from around the world suggests the vast majority of people who have had coronavirus have “some form of antibody response,” adding that this “looks quite promising.” However, he cautioned it is not yet known what level of protection people get after being infected with coronavirus. He said experts still need to solve three big questions: what level of immune protection those antibodies confer; whether people acquire absolute immunity, and whether someone can still carry the virus and be infectious after having developed antibodies. [br
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 30, 2021 17:46:01 GMT
It's not just hospitalisations that is the worry, it's also the numbers of NHS staff having to call in sick because they have it. Let this get out of control and there is a risk there will be fewer doctors and nurses to care for them in the first place. Having been behind the measures all along, not exactly happily but in a spirit of 'all in it together', I'm finally now coming close to breaking ranks with the official cautious advice. It seems to me the level per head of deaths and hospitalisations is something like flu levels. We can't struggle by with skeleton staff in hospitals, the railways, postal service and many others, when the admittedly high number of infected people being forced to stay off work are overwhelmingly suffering little more than a nasty cold. Pubs, restaurants, clubs, travel are all being squeezed. Football is almost back to closed doors games. And so very few are actually seriously ill at all. It might sound a bit heartless for those who may still lose loved ones, but in my view we have to accept this as a nasty bug now, and not treat it as a killer disease. Well that's almost my view. 90%. Still a little bit of me is worried, of course. An interesting perspective, I would like to know how many people die each day in a normal flu season as a comparison
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Post by yattongas on Dec 30, 2021 18:01:40 GMT
Having been behind the measures all along, not exactly happily but in a spirit of 'all in it together', I'm finally now coming close to breaking ranks with the official cautious advice. It seems to me the level per head of deaths and hospitalisations is something like flu levels. We can't struggle by with skeleton staff in hospitals, the railways, postal service and many others, when the admittedly high number of infected people being forced to stay off work are overwhelmingly suffering little more than a nasty cold. Pubs, restaurants, clubs, travel are all being squeezed. Football is almost back to closed doors games. And so very few are actually seriously ill at all. It might sound a bit heartless for those who may still lose loved ones, but in my view we have to accept this as a nasty bug now, and not treat it as a killer disease. Well that's almost my view. 90%. Still a little bit of me is worried, of course. An interesting perspective, I would like to know how many people die each day in a normal flu season as a comparison 10,000-25,000
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Post by aghast on Dec 30, 2021 18:37:01 GMT
An interesting perspective, I would like to know how many people die each day in a normal flu season as a comparison 10,000-25,000 I think you mean per annum!
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 30, 2021 18:51:10 GMT
I think you mean per annum! So over the flu season 100-150 a day less than Omicron,if it stays like that then I can agree with Aghast.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 30, 2021 19:07:36 GMT
Apparently Robert Malone's Twitter account has been suspended. 🤔
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Post by yattongas on Dec 30, 2021 19:32:57 GMT
I think you mean per annum! Oops 😬 just divide by 365 😉
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Post by francegas on Dec 30, 2021 20:06:06 GMT
I think you mean per annum! Oops 😬 just divide by 365 😉 366 for 2020 😉🙂🙂
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 30, 2021 20:17:11 GMT
Oops 😬 just divide by 365 😉 366 for 2020 😉🙂🙂 No flu season ain't all year would go for 120
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 30, 2021 20:19:13 GMT
Apparently Robert Malone's Twitter account has been suspended. 🤔 Who's he?
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 30, 2021 20:35:25 GMT
Apparently Robert Malone's Twitter account has been suspended. 🤔 Who's he? Pirate's mRNA inventing posterboy.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 30, 2021 20:51:13 GMT
189k new cases ( def under reported )
332 deaths . It ain’t over 🙄
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 30, 2021 22:09:11 GMT
Pirate's mRNA inventing posterboy. [br 😚😚
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 30, 2021 22:10:54 GMT
189k new cases ( def under reported ) 332 deaths . It ain’t over 🙄 I think the deaths are consolidated from Christmas eve
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Post by yattongas on Dec 30, 2021 22:27:00 GMT
189k new cases ( def under reported ) 332 deaths . It ain’t over 🙄 I think the deaths are consolidated from Christmas eve Yep , I said that yesterday.
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Post by baggins on Dec 31, 2021 5:35:55 GMT
189k new cases ( def under reported ) 332 deaths . It ain’t over 🙄 It never will be.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 31, 2021 6:49:54 GMT
Pirate's mRNA inventing posterboy. I think he has more credibility than some of the other awful Doctors referenced by Pirate. That said, the bar is set incredibly low. Dr Malone recommend self medicating Ivermectin (head lice medication) as treatment for COVID-19 despite studies showing it doesn't work and the FDA warning not to use it.
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Post by baggins on Dec 31, 2021 7:25:00 GMT
Pirate's mRNA inventing posterboy. I think he has more credibility than some of the other awful Doctors referenced by Pirate. That said, the bar is set incredibly low. Dr Malone recommend self medicating Ivermectin (head lice medication) as treatment for COVID-19 despite studies showing it doesn't work and the FDA warning not to use it. Ha ha, brilliant! Imagine the side effects of taking that!!! What a total looney.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 31, 2021 8:15:39 GMT
189k new cases ( def under reported ) 332 deaths . It ain’t over 🙄 It never will be. A few more weeks of caution then I reckon things will be looking good for spring and hopefully a normal summer again 😀
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Post by baggins on Dec 31, 2021 8:24:04 GMT
A few more weeks of caution then I reckon things will be looking good for spring and hopefully a normal summer again 😀 If it's as infectious as they say, few weeks of caution won't make any difference. As soon as the few weeks are over, it'll be back at the normal rate all over again. Get jabbed, get the NHS set up to cope properly, move on.
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