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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Feb 8, 2020 22:30:10 GMT
We can’t create chances in a 3-5-2 playing Garners style because we’ve got no creative playmaker but we do stop conceding goals so much in that formation. When we go 4 at the back we’re more attacking create more like today but Tony Craig isn’t comfortable in a back four , our central midfielders aren’t mobile or good enough so we’re a shambles defensively. That’s what I’ve taken from the Garner games so far. The one area you mentioned was the attacking midfielder who creates and I cant see why hes not playing Barrett now? Yes he looks a little overweight but he was brought in for that attacking flair but after a couple of starts for us hes continued to be benched? It sounded as though we created quite a bit today but tend to agree with you. I'm not sure we need all 3 of Clarke, Ogogo & Upson, we could potentially sacrifice one of them & play Barrett or Sercombe once he's fit in front of two holding midfielders |
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Post by socrates on Feb 8, 2020 22:37:38 GMT
The one area you mentioned was the attacking midfielder who creates and I cant see why hes not playing Barrett now? Yes he looks a little overweight but he was brought in for that attacking flair but after a couple of starts for us hes continued to be benched? It sounded as though we created quite a bit today but tend to agree with you. I'm not sure we need all 3 of Clarke, Ogogo & Upson, we could potentially sacrifice one of them & play Barrett or Sercombe once he's fit in front of two holding midfielders Yeah it worked when our midfield was there purely as a screen because we bypassed the midfield in our attacking play but now Garner wants us to play through having Upson Clarke and Ogogo in midfield well, they aren’t the players for that tactic / style/ philosophy whatever we want to call it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 22:42:52 GMT
The one area you mentioned was the attacking midfielder who creates and I cant see why hes not playing Barrett now? Yes he looks a little overweight but he was brought in for that attacking flair but after a couple of starts for us hes continued to be benched? It sounded as though we created quite a bit today but tend to agree with you. I'm not sure we need all 3 of Clarke, Ogogo & Upson, we could potentially sacrifice one of them & play Barrett or Sercombe once he's fit in front of two holding midfielders If you miss open goals and make bad mistakes at the back its nor relevant who he bothers to pick in midfield. |
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Post by gasheadliam on Feb 8, 2020 22:45:48 GMT
It sounded as though we created quite a bit today but tend to agree with you. I'm not sure we need all 3 of Clarke, Ogogo & Upson, we could potentially sacrifice one of them & play Barrett or Sercombe once he's fit in front of two holding midfielders Yeah it worked when our midfield was there purely as a screen because we bypassed the midfield in our attacking play but now Garner wants us to play through having Upson Clarke and Ogogo in midfield well, they aren’t the players for that tactic / style/ philosophy whatever we want to call it. For the 433 to work we need Sercombe or similar. With two of OC/EU/AO in the middle with him. The issue with 433 is finding the ball in dangerous areas for the wingers and centre forward. At present aside from today we have struggled to get the ball to the wingers. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Feb 8, 2020 22:49:43 GMT
It sounded as though we created quite a bit today but tend to agree with you. I'm not sure we need all 3 of Clarke, Ogogo & Upson, we could potentially sacrifice one of them & play Barrett or Sercombe once he's fit in front of two holding midfielders If you miss open goals and make bad mistakes at the back its nor relevant who he bothers to pick in midfield. Fair point but compared to a Coventry type midfield creatively we're miles behind. Barrett and possibly Matthews are more like those style of players of course you need someone to break up play but not 3 of them !! |
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Post by socrates on Feb 8, 2020 22:49:55 GMT
It sounded as though we created quite a bit today but tend to agree with you. I'm not sure we need all 3 of Clarke, Ogogo & Upson, we could potentially sacrifice one of them & play Barrett or Sercombe once he's fit in front of two holding midfielders If you miss open goals and make bad mistakes at the back its nor relevant who he bothers to pick in midfield. Our midfield sit back on the toes of our defenders and don’t push out and create a problem for the opposition though so that does put pressure on our defence. Yes today we missed sitters and switched off at the back at times but for me Clarke Ogogo and Clarke are all very similar , slow , not creative , will put in a big tackle but not mobile enough to get close enough most of the time so they drop deeper and deeper and become spectators at times against slick sides with pace and movement. Today that maybe wasn’t so much of a problem but most teams don’t play the Wycombe was they play like Coventry , Peterborough, MK dons Fleetwood , Doncaster etc who all got it down and controlled the midfield against us recently and dominated and won while the likes of olly Clarke and Upson were stood watching because they just aren’t mobile or good enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 23:03:11 GMT
If you miss open goals and make bad mistakes at the back its nor relevant who he bothers to pick in midfield. Our midfield sit back on the toes of our defenders and don’t push out and create a problem for the opposition though so that does put pressure on our defence. Yes today we missed sitters and switched off at the back at times but for me Clarke Ogogo and Clarke are all very similar , slow , not creative , will put in a big tackle but not mobile enough to get close enough most of the time so they drop deeper and deeper and become spectators at times against slick sides with pace and movement. Today that maybe wasn’t so much of a problem but most teams don’t play the Wycombe was they play like Coventry , Peterborough, MK dons Fleetwood , Doncaster etc who all got it down and controlled the midfield against us recently and dominated and won while the likes of olly Clarke and Upson were stood watching because they just aren’t mobile or good enough. One of the reasons i did not renew my season ticket was because coughlan would be playing clarke,upson and ogogo in midfield together so yes i agree. Ps i have watched most home games. I guess your saying they do not suit how garner wants us to play but were not as bad in the coughlan set up? |
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Post by onedaygas83 on Feb 8, 2020 23:03:37 GMT
Yes the trio in the middle need to go! Well one at least as three holding midfielders just allows us to sit too deep and invite needless pressure. BG needs to let a free loading midfielder next to ogogo/Clarke/upson minus one of those 3. Without that breakaway player in midfield we wont be able to counter attack or press when in possession.
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Post by horfield on Feb 8, 2020 23:15:31 GMT
Just listened to the managers interview after today's game, he says, worst run of results he has ever experienced, how can that be, he's never been a manager before in his life at any level. Blames the referee, their all crap in Div 1, get on with it, there were positives from the game, sure there must have been, we lost 3-1 and he keeps telling us after every defeat or draw or loss he saw positives and the team were unlucky. Worst start by any manager in the history of Bristol Rovers, is that why Steve Coppell was at the game again today. Is the problem there is no money to sack Garner on a 2.5 year contract and no money to invite Coppell to join the club as a mentor. A selection panel of 3 decided that Garner was our man, who of the 3 selection panel had the casting vote.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 23:16:00 GMT
In fairness to garner sercombe is injured and barrett is overweight and unfit so he cannot select them.
You can question why buy a player who is mysteriously unfit in january despite being at a championship club but thats another story.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Feb 8, 2020 23:40:37 GMT
Just listened to the managers interview after today's game, he says, worst run of results he has ever experienced, how can that be, he's never been a manager before in his life at any level. Blames the referee, their all crap in Div 1, get on with it, there were positives from the game, sure there must have been, we lost 3-1 and he keeps telling us after every defeat or draw or loss he saw positives and the team were unlucky. Worst start by any manager in the history of Bristol Rovers, is that why Steve Coppell was at the game again today. Is the problem there is no money to sack Garner on a 2.5 year contract and no money to invite Coppell to join the club as a mentor. A selection panel of 3 decided that Garner was our man, who of the 3 selection panel had the casting vote. If coppell was yet again in attendance today then surly he will be appointed in some roll? I think that's the fourth or fifth game running hes been seen at our games and if so I do wonder why he hasn't been appointed by now? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 23:49:10 GMT
Just listened to the managers interview after today's game, he says, worst run of results he has ever experienced, how can that be, he's never been a manager before in his life at any level. Blames the referee, their all crap in Div 1, get on with it, there were positives from the game, sure there must have been, we lost 3-1 and he keeps telling us after every defeat or draw or loss he saw positives and the team were unlucky. Worst start by any manager in the history of Bristol Rovers, is that why Steve Coppell was at the game again today. Is the problem there is no money to sack Garner on a 2.5 year contract and no money to invite Coppell to join the club as a mentor. A selection panel of 3 decided that Garner was our man, who of the 3 selection panel had the casting vote. If coppell was yet again in attendance today then surly he will be appointed in some roll? I think that's the fourth or fifth game running hes been seen at our games and if so I do wonder why he hasn't been appointed by now? Why appoint an old man who has twice ran away from very good managers jobs at the first sign of trouble? |
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Post by onedaygas83 on Feb 8, 2020 23:58:34 GMT
But a man who has a wealth of knowledge and experience who has previously worked with BG? DOF is something we need for our young manager imo.
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Post by landrover on Feb 9, 2020 0:07:42 GMT
I’m pretty sure Coppell had mental health issues to deal with, which is why he had walked out on a couple of occasions.
My impression of him was that he played a pragmatic style, not unlike Coughlan’s, and that he’s more realistic regarding the teams abilities.
I never understood Garner’s appeal but it’s too late now. It’s strange that having worked with Ollie, Pulis, Warnock and Pardew, he (Garner) would choose to play a possession based game.
His win percentage remains at 0% which is fairly damning I would say.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 9, 2020 0:34:47 GMT
In fairness to garner sercombe is injured and barrett is overweight and unfit so he cannot select them. You can question why buy a player who is mysteriously unfit in january despite being at a championship club but thats another story. Barrett looked promising in his first match. Micky mouse cup against stevenage was it? Ever since when I've seen him he has flattered to deceive a little. Looks like he could be a good player but you can see where some of the feedback from Reading management and supporters comes from - needs to work on the professionalism (read fitness and lifestyle). Again, if he's not suitable owing to fitness, why are we signing players like him? DC and GC were really big on bringing in the right players for the club with the right mindset and its another area I'm concerned about his inexperience. |
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Post by socrates on Feb 9, 2020 1:25:31 GMT
Our midfield sit back on the toes of our defenders and don’t push out and create a problem for the opposition though so that does put pressure on our defence. Yes today we missed sitters and switched off at the back at times but for me Clarke Ogogo and Clarke are all very similar , slow , not creative , will put in a big tackle but not mobile enough to get close enough most of the time so they drop deeper and deeper and become spectators at times against slick sides with pace and movement. Today that maybe wasn’t so much of a problem but most teams don’t play the Wycombe was they play like Coventry , Peterborough, MK dons Fleetwood , Doncaster etc who all got it down and controlled the midfield against us recently and dominated and won while the likes of olly Clarke and Upson were stood watching because they just aren’t mobile or good enough. One of the reasons i did not renew my season ticket was because coughlan would be playing clarke,upson and ogogo in midfield together so yes i agree. Ps i have watched most home games. I guess your saying they do not suit how garner wants us to play but were not as bad in the coughlan set up? Exactly yes. |
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Post by althepirate on Feb 9, 2020 7:42:29 GMT
We weren't unlucky today. We missed chances and were naive at the back, so we did the damage to ourselves. BG's moaning about the ref isn't the reason we lost, he was poor for both sides. I hope the manager takes responsibility and doesn't go Mourinho style and blame everyone else. Pretty football is a complete waste of time if we are useless in defence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 8:12:08 GMT
Our midfield sit back on the toes of our defenders and don’t push out and create a problem for the opposition though so that does put pressure on our defence. Yes today we missed sitters and switched off at the back at times but for me Clarke Ogogo and Clarke are all very similar , slow , not creative , will put in a big tackle but not mobile enough to get close enough most of the time so they drop deeper and deeper and become spectators at times against slick sides with pace and movement. Today that maybe wasn’t so much of a problem but most teams don’t play the Wycombe was they play like Coventry , Peterborough, MK dons Fleetwood , Doncaster etc who all got it down and controlled the midfield against us recently and dominated and won while the likes of olly Clarke and Upson were stood watching because they just aren’t mobile or good enough. One of the reasons i did not renew my season ticket was because coughlan would be playing clarke,upson and ogogo in midfield together so yes i agree. #faithfulandtrue |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Feb 9, 2020 8:17:10 GMT
I've listened to the interview and despite what some claim he didn't blame the ref for the defeat. Yes he criticised him for being too weak but if you listen he was also critical of our defending and the fact we werent clinical enough with our chances.
Whether you think he was the right man to start with or not he's been backed and will be here for the rest of the season at least.
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Post by Strange Gas on Feb 9, 2020 8:47:02 GMT
I’m pretty sure Coppell had mental health issues to deal with, which is why he had walked out on a couple of occasions. My impression of him was that he played a pragmatic style, not unlike Coughlan’s, and that he’s more realistic regarding the teams abilities. I never understood Garner’s appeal but it’s too late now. It’s strange that having worked with Ollie, Pulis, Warnock and Pardew, he (Garner) would choose to play a possession based game. His win percentage remains at 0% which is fairly damning I would say. If SC has been watching, I would not be surprised if he is acting a mentor to BG already. No need to be on payroll or touch line to help out . . . |
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