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Post by peterparker on Feb 13, 2020 12:25:59 GMT
Biggest news is Sajid Javid is gone. Allegedly because he wouldn't sack all of his advisors he has 'resigned'
Rishi Sunak has got the job
Leadsome McVey Smith (NI Secretary)
all gone and Geoffrey Cox resigns as Attorney general
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Rishi Sunak is the new Chancellor. Possible future PM?
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Rishi Sunak is the new Chancellor. Possible future PM? A man of the people who completely gets why the lads and lassies in the north are so aggrieved. "He was born in 1980 in Southampton in Hampshire, and studied at the exclusive private school Winchester College. Mr Sunak then went on to Oxford University to read Philosophy, Politics and Economics, a tried and trusted route for aspiring Westminster politicians. He also studied for an MBA at Stanford University. Before entering politics he worked for investment bank Goldman Sachs and a hedge fund, then co-founded an investment firm. His wife - Akshata Murthy - is the daughter of Indian billionaire and co-founder of IT services giant Infosys Narayana Murthy." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 21:10:58 GMT
It seems Johnson will allow no dissenting voices.
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Post by althepirate on Feb 13, 2020 22:03:10 GMT
It seems Johnson will allow no dissenting voices. Fabulous Whereas the Labour Party only has dissenting voices. Double fabulous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 7:08:00 GMT
The Spads were all warned weeks ago that the leaks and offline briefings have to stop. I think what Johnson is trying to avoid is that toxic atmosphere that can develop between Number 10 and Number 11. You only have to look at the Blair/Brown and May/Hammond relationships to see how damaging that can become. Johnson wants everyone to be pulling in the same direction. The story that Peter Parker alluded to last week, the so-called infighting between Cummins and Johnson's girlfriend, came from Number 11. There have also been other offline briefings especially about things like Mansion Tax etc, that have come from Number 11. Johnson has put a stop to that potential damaging situation occurring. If you look at Johnson's time as Mayor of London, you'll see that he appoints people to jobs, and then let's them get on with it. He doesn't micro manage. However, he expects those people to do a good job and if they don't, then they are out in quick time and replaced with someone else. Can't argue with that approach really. It's probably wrong to allude to 'dissenting voices'. It's more to do with the fact that he wants everyone on the same side to achieve what he wants. It makes sense. He doesn't want another Blair/Brown, May/Hammond relationship, where Number 11 is openly working against the wishes of Number 10.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 10:16:22 GMT
The Spads were all warned weeks ago that the leaks and offline briefings have to stop. I think what Johnson is trying to avoid is that toxic atmosphere that can develop between Number 10 and Number 11. You only have to look at the Blair/Brown and May/Hammond relationships to see how damaging that can become. Johnson wants everyone to be pulling in the same direction. The story that Peter Parker alluded to last week, the so-called infighting between Cummins and Johnson's girlfriend, came from Number 11. There have also been other offline briefings especially about things like Mansion Tax etc, that have come from Number 11. Johnson has put a stop to that potential damaging situation occurring. If you look at Johnson's time as Mayor of London, you'll see that he appoints people to jobs, and then let's them get on with it. He doesn't micro manage. However, he expects those people to do a good job and if they don't, then they are out in quick time and replaced with someone else. Can't argue with that approach really. It's probably wrong to allude to 'dissenting voices'. It's more to do with the fact that he wants everyone on the same side to achieve what he wants. It makes sense. He doesn't want another Blair/Brown, May/Hammond relationship, where Number 11 is openly working against the wishes of Number 10. One message from the team is essential, I agree with this. But that agreement comes from the top, the message coming from the leader, the cabinet debate his/her message, agree it and then deliver it. Each head of department is then responsible for the management of his/her department and their behaviour. As a leader you cannot, surely, call in one of your top managers and, without previous discussion, tell them to sack their staff. That is frankly water poor leadership. This is what appears to have happened in this instance and does Johnson's credibility no good at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 10:17:24 GMT
It seems Johnson will allow no dissenting voices. Fabulous Whereas the Labour Party only has dissenting voices. Double fabulous. Is that the point though?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 10:26:23 GMT
The Spads were all warned weeks ago that the leaks and offline briefings have to stop. I think what Johnson is trying to avoid is that toxic atmosphere that can develop between Number 10 and Number 11. You only have to look at the Blair/Brown and May/Hammond relationships to see how damaging that can become. Johnson wants everyone to be pulling in the same direction. The story that Peter Parker alluded to last week, the so-called infighting between Cummins and Johnson's girlfriend, came from Number 11. There have also been other offline briefings especially about things like Mansion Tax etc, that have come from Number 11. Johnson has put a stop to that potential damaging situation occurring. If you look at Johnson's time as Mayor of London, you'll see that he appoints people to jobs, and then let's them get on with it. He doesn't micro manage. However, he expects those people to do a good job and if they don't, then they are out in quick time and replaced with someone else. Can't argue with that approach really. It's probably wrong to allude to 'dissenting voices'. It's more to do with the fact that he wants everyone on the same side to achieve what he wants. It makes sense. He doesn't want another Blair/Brown, May/Hammond relationship, where Number 11 is openly working against the wishes of Number 10. One message from the team is essential, I agree with this. But that agreement comes from the top, the message coming from the leader, the cabinet debate his/her message, agree it and then deliver it. Each head of department is then responsible for the management of his/her department and their behaviour. As a leader you cannot, surely, call in one of your top managers and, without previous discussion, tell them to sack their staff. That is frankly water poor leadership. This is what appears to have happened in this instance and does Johnson's credibility no good at all. The warning had already been given when one of Javid's staff was sacked before Xmas for lying over her contact with Hammond. I think it is good leadership. One person sacked, the rest given a warning so that they knew what would happen if they continued doing what they were. Javid, as the head of this team must have been aware. So, the leadership had given the warnings, and failure to back up those warnings would have been a sign of poor leadership resulting in unrest among the government. Johnson wants more of a relationship that existed between Cameron/Osbourne where both parties were pulling in the same direction.
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Post by althepirate on Feb 14, 2020 10:45:06 GMT
Whereas the Labour Party only has dissenting voices. Double fabulous. Is that the point though? It's the alternative
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 10:45:07 GMT
One message from the team is essential, I agree with this. But that agreement comes from the top, the message coming from the leader, the cabinet debate his/her message, agree it and then deliver it. Each head of department is then responsible for the management of his/her department and their behaviour. As a leader you cannot, surely, call in one of your top managers and, without previous discussion, tell them to sack their staff. That is frankly water poor leadership. This is what appears to have happened in this instance and does Johnson's credibility no good at all. The warning had already been given when one of Javid's staff was sacked before Xmas for lying over her contact with Hammond. I think it is good leadership. One person sacked, the rest given a warning so that they knew what would happen if they continued doing what they were. Javid, as the head of this team must have been aware. So, the leadership had given the warnings, and failure to back up those warnings would have been a sign of poor leadership resulting in unrest among the government. Johnson wants more of a relationship that existed between Cameron/Osbourne where both parties were pulling in the same direction. The trouble with your response is, you are playing fast and loose with what actually happened. Sonia Khan was summoned by Dominic Cummings, sacked, and escorted off the premises by police. Her manager was not in the room. Searching her personal and work phones it was discovered she had maintained contact with a former colleague with whom she had worked with under Hammond. No evidence was found of her leaking documents, specifically Yellowhammer. Hammond wrote to the PM demanding an apology. It was then swept under the carpet. In any industry that would be challenged in court and the government would lose. So its not good leadership, its water poor and more akin to Joe Macarthy than a mature functioning democracy with checks and balances. The attempts to demean the BBC and the Supreme Court are just more worrying examples.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 10:45:34 GMT
Is that the point though? It's the alternative Christ, is it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 11:09:31 GMT
The warning had already been given when one of Javid's staff was sacked before Xmas for lying over her contact with Hammond. I think it is good leadership. One person sacked, the rest given a warning so that they knew what would happen if they continued doing what they were. Javid, as the head of this team must have been aware. So, the leadership had given the warnings, and failure to back up those warnings would have been a sign of poor leadership resulting in unrest among the government. Johnson wants more of a relationship that existed between Cameron/Osbourne where both parties were pulling in the same direction. The trouble with your response is, you are playing fast and loose with what actually happened. Sonia Khan was summoned by Dominic Cummings, sacked, and escorted off the premises by police. Her manager was not in the room. Searching her personal and work phones it was discovered she had maintained contact with a former colleague with whom she had worked with under Hammond. No evidence was found of her leaking documents, specifically Yellowhammer. Hammond wrote to the PM demanding an apology. It was then swept under the carpet. In any industry that would be challenged in court and the government would lose. So its not good leadership, its water poor and more akin to Joe Macarthy than a mature functioning democracy with checks and balances. The attempts to demean the BBC and the Supreme Court are just more worrying examples. No, she did wrong and was sacked. By this action it was a warning given to the rest, specifically Number 11. If someone is leaking information that is detrimental to the running of the country then they have to be sacked. I know that if I were to leak confidential information from within my company, my feet won't touch the floor, and that applies to the vast majority of people in any business. When you worked in the city would you have accepted a member of your team leaking confidential information to one of your rivals? I think not eh. As for the 'attempts to demean' the BBC, I think the BBC have done that job for themselves. The world is a changing place, especially for the media. The BBC model is now outdated. They have to adapt and move with the times, or like the dinosaur they'll become extinct. The Supreme Court should not have got involved in political decisions. It opens up the question that now we know they want to dabble in politics, should the judges be elected so that we all know their political standpoint beforehand? By their actions, the Judges in the Supreme Court have opened up the argument that it needs reform.
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The trouble with your response is, you are playing fast and loose with what actually happened. Sonia Khan was summoned by Dominic Cummings, sacked, and escorted off the premises by police. Her manager was not in the room. Searching her personal and work phones it was discovered she had maintained contact with a former colleague with whom she had worked with under Hammond. No evidence was found of her leaking documents, specifically Yellowhammer. Hammond wrote to the PM demanding an apology. It was then swept under the carpet. In any industry that would be challenged in court and the government would lose. So its not good leadership, its water poor and more akin to Joe Macarthy than a mature functioning democracy with checks and balances. The attempts to demean the BBC and the Supreme Court are just more worrying examples. No, she did wrong and was sacked. By this action it was a warning given to the rest, specifically Number 11. If someone is leaking information that is detrimental to the running of the country then they have to be sacked. I know that if I were to leak confidential information from within my company, my feet won't touch the floor, and that applies to the vast majority of people in any business. When you worked in the city would you have accepted a member of your team leaking confidential information to one of your rivals? I think not eh. As for the 'attempts to demean' the BBC, I think the BBC have done that job for themselves. The world is a changing place, especially for the media. The BBC model is now outdated. They have to adapt and move with the times, or like the dinosaur they'll become extinct. The Supreme Court should not have got involved in political decisions. It opens up the question that now we know they want to dabble in politics, should the judges be elected so that we all know their political standpoint beforehand? By their actions, the Judges in the Supreme Court have opened up the argument that it needs reform. You are absolutely correct in saying that if I had leaked confidential information from board meetings I would have been hung, drawn and quartered. And rightly so. But you miss the point. There was no evidence produced of any wrong doing. Nothing, zilch. Her crime was to keep in contact with a former work colleague from the same department she worked in. Who has not done that? There was no evidence she leaked anything to that person. As for the BBC, yes I agree their funding needs to be looked at and most likely the old method is way past its sell by date. But let's have that discussion within that prism, not whether they watered off this or that party, as a Brit I rather hope they do. As for the Supreme Court, there was a very interesting conversation with Charlie Faulkner QC, Jonathan Sumption, ex Judge. The conclusion was that there is a potential drift from the law into the political arena. But, interestingly, the judicial review initiated by Gina Miller was not that, as her review resulted in the Supreme Court upholding the Sovereignty of Parliament, which is crucial to our constitution and democracy.
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No, she did wrong and was sacked. By this action it was a warning given to the rest, specifically Number 11. If someone is leaking information that is detrimental to the running of the country then they have to be sacked. I know that if I were to leak confidential information from within my company, my feet won't touch the floor, and that applies to the vast majority of people in any business. When you worked in the city would you have accepted a member of your team leaking confidential information to one of your rivals? I think not eh. As for the 'attempts to demean' the BBC, I think the BBC have done that job for themselves. The world is a changing place, especially for the media. The BBC model is now outdated. They have to adapt and move with the times, or like the dinosaur they'll become extinct. The Supreme Court should not have got involved in political decisions. It opens up the question that now we know they want to dabble in politics, should the judges be elected so that we all know their political standpoint beforehand? By their actions, the Judges in the Supreme Court have opened up the argument that it needs reform. You are absolutely correct in saying that if I had leaked confidential information from board meetings I would have been hung, drawn and quartered. And rightly so. But you miss the point. There was no evidence produced of any wrong doing. Nothing, zilch. Her crime was to keep in contact with a former work colleague from the same department she worked in. Who has not done that? There was no evidence she leaked anything to that person. As for the BBC, yes I agree their funding needs to be looked at and most likely the old method is way past its sell by date. But let's have that discussion within that prism, not whether they watered off this or that party, as a Brit I rather hope they do. As for the Supreme Court, there was a very interesting conversation with Charlie Faulkner QC, Jonathan Sumption, ex Judge. The conclusion was that there is a potential drift from the law into the political arena. But, interestingly, the judicial review initiated by Gina Miller was not that, as her review resulted in the Supreme Court upholding the Sovereignty of Parliament, which is crucial to our constitution and democracy. You only have to produce 'evidence' in a court. It may have been the case where she was told to go, and go quietly, or the evidence they have could be used to prosecute her? If she is totally innocent as you claim, then why hasn't she gone for unfair dismissal? The Supreme Court meddled in the prorogation issue. Nothing to do with Gina Miller.
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You are absolutely correct in saying that if I had leaked confidential information from board meetings I would have been hung, drawn and quartered. And rightly so. But you miss the point. There was no evidence produced of any wrong doing. Nothing, zilch. Her crime was to keep in contact with a former work colleague from the same department she worked in. Who has not done that? There was no evidence she leaked anything to that person. As for the BBC, yes I agree their funding needs to be looked at and most likely the old method is way past its sell by date. But let's have that discussion within that prism, not whether they watered off this or that party, as a Brit I rather hope they do. As for the Supreme Court, there was a very interesting conversation with Charlie Faulkner QC, Jonathan Sumption, ex Judge. The conclusion was that there is a potential drift from the law into the political arena. But, interestingly, the judicial review initiated by Gina Miller was not that, as her review resulted in the Supreme Court upholding the Sovereignty of Parliament, which is crucial to our constitution and democracy. You only have to produce 'evidence' in a court. It may have been the case where she was told to go, and go quietly, or the evidence they have could be used to prosecute her? If she is totally innocent as you claim, then why hasn't she gone for unfair dismissal? The Supreme Court meddled in the prorogation issue. Nothing to do with Gina Miller. Again, on Prorogation. That decision upheld the Sovereignty of Parliament. On evidence, yes, evidence in court. But in the court of public opinion you cannot, equally, assert that she was guilty. Why did she not go to tribunal. I have no idea, but I can imagine Javid sitting her down and say "Look, it's wrong, and I am sorry. But politically I need this to go away. We part as friends, here is your reference and here is a wedge." Seems most likely to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 12:45:45 GMT
You only have to produce 'evidence' in a court. It may have been the case where she was told to go, and go quietly, or the evidence they have could be used to prosecute her? If she is totally innocent as you claim, then why hasn't she gone for unfair dismissal? The Supreme Court meddled in the prorogation issue. Nothing to do with Gina Miller. Again, on Prorogation. That decision upheld the Sovereignty of Parliament. On evidence, yes, evidence in court. But in the court of public opinion you cannot, equally, assert that she was guilty. Why did she not go to tribunal. I have no idea, but I can imagine Javid sitting her down and say "Look, it's wrong, and I am sorry. But politically I need this to go away. We part as friends, here is your reference and here is a wedge." Seems most likely to me. Or it could have been go away quietly because neither we nor you want a court case. However, the point you are missing is that this was the first warning to the Spads (and Javid). Either work as a team, or out you go.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 8:39:45 GMT
I don't get your point. Surely it is better to have everyone pulling in the same direction? Or do you think the Blair/Brown, May/Hammond type of relationships work better?
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