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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 14:46:52 GMT
I think we have to give Cummings a bit of a go with his 'radical thinkers'. I compare it to what is happening here in Germany. AKK (I can't be bothered to write her full name) was the chosen one to succeed Merkel. She really was Merkel MKII. However, she has had to resign. There is a huge conflab in German politics as they just don't know what to do with the rise of the AfD. What we see night in and night out on the tv is old, grey men in suits talking about what they will do, yet they cannot see that it is the old men in grey suits who are the problem. They expect to just carry on in the same vein and they seem totally unaware that if they do that then it will change nothing and the AfD will only grow stronger. People want something different than the same old policies with the same old results. Maybe Cummings and his 'radical thinkers' are an attempt to change things? PS - I am not saying that Cummings is like the AfD. It's just a comparable situation.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 17, 2020 14:56:45 GMT
I think we have to give Cummings a bit of a go with his 'radical thinkers'. I compare it to what is happening here in Germany. AKK (I can't be bothered to write her full name) was the chosen one to succeed Merkel. She really was Merkel MKII. However, she has had to resign. There is a huge conflab in German politics as they just don't know what to do with the rise of the AfD. What we see night in and night out on the tv is old, grey men in suits talking about what they will do, yet they cannot see that it is the old men in grey suits who are the problem. They expect to just carry on in the same vein and they seem totally unaware that if they do that then it will change nothing and the AfD will only grow stronger. People want something different than the same old policies with the same old results. Maybe Cummings and his 'radical thinkers' are an attempt to change things? PS - I am not saying that Cummings is like the AfD. It's just a comparable situation. I like the concept of bringing in radical ideas, but those attributed to this one should have No 10 distancing themselves, for PR reasons at least, otherwise he will be the story not the other ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 21:02:30 GMT
I think we have to give Cummings a bit of a go with his 'radical thinkers'. I compare it to what is happening here in Germany. AKK (I can't be bothered to write her full name) was the chosen one to succeed Merkel. She really was Merkel MKII. However, she has had to resign. There is a huge conflab in German politics as they just don't know what to do with the rise of the AfD. What we see night in and night out on the tv is old, grey men in suits talking about what they will do, yet they cannot see that it is the old men in grey suits who are the problem. They expect to just carry on in the same vein and they seem totally unaware that if they do that then it will change nothing and the AfD will only grow stronger. People want something different than the same old policies with the same old results. Maybe Cummings and his 'radical thinkers' are an attempt to change things? PS - I am not saying that Cummings is like the AfD. It's just a comparable situation. I like the concept of bringing in radical ideas, but those attributed to this one should have No 10 distancing themselves, for PR reasons at least, otherwise he will be the story not the other ideas. Surprise surprise He has resigned...another humpty bites the dust.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 17, 2020 21:12:35 GMT
Peston's take on things, these bits were interesting: Collective cabinet responsibility now means not a frank discussion between equals, with PM primus inter pares, but the prime minister's way or the highway. The Cabinet is the politburo for execution of the supreme leader's ordinance to level up the midlands and north, or else. But Javid's departure means that fiscal rules designed to make sure the Exchequer has the resources to cope with the next economic shock have been downgraded from the framework into which all spending and tax policy must fit into a heuristic, a rule of thumb. All fiscal rules have from time immemorial been honoured in the breach. But those written into the Tories' election manifesto - already vague because there was no target date for hitting balance on current spending (though the assumption was that it was a rolling three-year target) - will now be gamed by the political hedge fund that central government has become. Johnson and Cummings are hellbent on turning their decisive election victory into economic and political boom, before the bust that they know can never be escaped. www.itv.com/news/2020-02-17/robert-peston-boris-johnson-s-hedge-fund-government/
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 18, 2020 0:18:00 GMT
The only questions BJ will have to answer will come at the next election. He will avoid any difficult interviews and will not face anyone who will ask him detailed questions. He’ll bumble his way through any situation without going into detail, throw in a few platitudes and chuck money at big projects and if anything goes wrong he’ll just sack the minister whose responsibility it will be. Him and Cummings will swagger around with a rich man’s arrogance and live in a Downing Street bubble. That will be his policy for the next year. Once the Labour Party elect a leader it may get a bit harder but not much. Get used to it, it’s what his majority allows him to do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 7:37:06 GMT
The only questions BJ will have to answer will come at the next election. He will avoid any difficult interviews and will not face anyone who will ask him detailed questions. He’ll bumble his way through any situation without going into detail, throw in a few platitudes and chuck money at big projects and if anything goes wrong he’ll just sack the minister whose responsibility it will be. Him and Cummings will swagger around with a rich man’s arrogance and live in a Downing Street bubble. That will be his policy for the next year. Once the Labour Party elect a leader it may get a bit harder but not much. Get used to it, it’s what his majority allows him to do. Spot on Wareham
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 12:37:48 GMT
True colours...you can only pretend for so long. I get the impression that Ms Patel is a bit of a nut job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 18:03:30 GMT
Lovely. Is it pick on an ethnic minority MP day?
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 29, 2020 18:28:50 GMT
Lovely. Is it pick on an ethnic minority MP day? And comments about Diane Abbott were...? I know you two don't get on but I'm sure you can do better than that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 19:06:09 GMT
Lovely. Is it pick on an ethnic minority MP day? And comments about Diane Abbott were...? I know you two don't get on but I'm sure you can do better than that. No, he cannot.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Feb 29, 2020 19:27:48 GMT
Lovely. Is it pick on an ethnic minority MP day? Shes British eric. Born in London. Not an ethnic minority.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 1, 2020 23:58:12 GMT
Whether she has “bullied” staff in the HO or not will count for very little. BJ will support her, will probably say, behind closed doors, to tone down her behaviour but she will be made very aware that she has to get this migration policy done and delivered. BJ won’t worry too much about the means to do it. If a few people in the HO Have bruised egos then that’s nothing to BJ. By the end of April it will be forgotten. Priti Patel maybe a hard person to work for and she may have had an argument that with hindsight may have been a mistake but I bet she won’t make the same mistake (if it was) again. She’s had a bad week but I don’t think she’s going anywhere.
I suspect after a few weeks, perhaps a month, someone else would have replaced Rutnum and it will be replaced in the news by something else. Everyone needs to get wise to the probability that working practices, arrangements under this government will be very different so the Civil Service esp will need to wise up. It is all about the end and sod the means of how you get there. Having lost a Chancellor he is certainly not going to be getting rid of a Home Secretary within weeks of each other.
I’m not saying that is correct or right but I certainly think it is the way that BJ will be doing things because he can.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 8, 2020 23:42:18 GMT
Sadly, that would be an oxymoron.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 9, 2020 22:11:22 GMT
Even if the parliamentary watchdog comes out against BJ it won’t be a major setback. As for holidays well, Tony B did very similar and it never worked against him until he messed up over Iraq and then he lost his magic touch. BJ will apologise, if he has anything to answer, but those who support him will continue to support him and will be left unaffected by whatever people say. This will continue because at the moment the press and media are the official opposition in the absence of a credible Labour Party. His majority allows him a pretty free rein.
Whilst the truth, as we understand it, may be a stranger to BJ he is able to “laugh” off any criticism as he appears to be learning how to deal with criticism or opposition from his observations of Donald Trump. I’m not saying they are the same but BJ deals in a similar way as Trump does except he is not obsessed with being unpleasant on twitter. So yes he may be criticised but I’m not expecting him to be seriously hurt by it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 9:45:01 GMT
Even if the parliamentary watchdog comes out against BJ it won’t be a major setback. As for holidays well, Tony B did very similar and it never worked against him until he messed up over Iraq and then he lost his magic touch. BJ will apologise, if he has anything to answer, but those who support him will continue to support him and will be left unaffected by whatever people say. This will continue because at the moment the press and media are the official opposition in the absence of a credible Labour Party. His majority allows him a pretty free rein. Whilst the truth, as we understand it, may be a stranger to BJ he is able to “laugh” off any criticism as he appears to be learning how to deal with criticism or opposition from his observations of Donald Trump. I’m not saying they are the same but BJ deals in a similar way as Trump does except he is not obsessed with being unpleasant on twitter. So yes he may be criticised but I’m not expecting him to be seriously hurt by it. All of that. What I find irritating is the nauseating sense of entitlement, the obvious belief that normal rules do not apply to them.
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