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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 1, 2020 8:52:12 GMT
I sense the Shrewsbury game is the straw that broke the camel's back. It seems that it certainly is for supporters but will it be for our apathetic owner who no doubt would rather have to do and say nothing?
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 1, 2020 9:27:31 GMT
Having travelled down from North Wales yesterday my abiding emotion is I want this season over ASAP, in 50 plus years I can't recall being so disappointed at a Rovers team. I don't want to end up feeling so disinterested permanently but it's going that way they are killing my passion for the Club is have loved all my life. I'm not sure changing the manager now will help as that will be 4 in 18 months,my sense is we lack leaders on and off the field and apathy all over will do to us what the Conference could not.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 1, 2020 9:41:03 GMT
Amazing BG still has time to turn it round?
With hindsight, I find this hilarious: Start managerial career saying he's watched every match, and start Nichols (eh?).
Play him until he's made his mind up (fair enough).
More or less, bomb Nichols out (hallelujah! BG in!).
Then, after that pick every starting lineup jch up front on his own (caveat 4-3-3 hasn't worked because teams take initiative, and the two flanking mids fall back)! (Hahahaha! BG out!)
To sum up, jch hasn't had a strike partner of worth since December. I like Reilly, but he seems to have been forgotten.
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Post by Fat Albert on Mar 1, 2020 9:50:50 GMT
I was firmly in the Garner in camp last week. I even posted saying next season could be a complete turn around given another window and the summer.
However after yesterday I’ll say this, I still think there is a good coach/Manager there BUT he’s not at the clubs he’s been at in the past.
According to his interview the players just didn’t do what they practiced all week, which makes me think he’s trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. You can’t make players in league 1 more technically gifted than they are. So perhaps his theories would work somewhere where he has the finances to get in those type of players.
If the passing, free flowing football was there I’d say fair enough, but yesterday was horrendous. I can’t think of a single chance created, except Craig’s header from a set piece.
All that said I still say give him until the season is over, in the hope that something clicks and we start seeing some signs of improvement.
It doesn’t matter where we finish this season and sides that are bottom one year can still be up there the next regardless.
At least then he can have no excuses.
UTG
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Post by msngas on Mar 1, 2020 9:57:25 GMT
Having travelled down from North Wales yesterday my abiding emotion is I want this season over ASAP, in 50 plus years I can't recall being so disappointed at a Rovers team. I don't want to end up feeling so disinterested permanently but it's going that way they are killing my passion for the Club is have loved all my life. I'm not sure changing the manager now will help as that will be 4 in 18 months,my sense is we lack leaders on and off the field and apathy all over will do to us what the Conference could not. Yesterday’s performance was the reason I did not renew my season ticket after fifty odd years. Plus, cannot remember the last time the atmosphere was so flat. I am sickened by the way my club is heading, the worst stadium in the league, lack of communication from the board, and feeling really embarrassed to be a gashead at the mo. I too am loosing interest, and totally understand trevorgas. Seriously considering giving the rest of the season a miss.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 1, 2020 10:03:59 GMT
If ever a manager was given a hospital pass for a first job then this was it. Overachieving and ambitious manager leaves us in 3rd place in the table because he thinks he’s taken the club ‘as far as he can’ says it all if you read between the lines. Add to that the family crisis he is still going through and any reasonable person would feel for Garner in this position.
I’m still Garner in because he’s playing the bad hand he’s been dealt and needs more time to shape things his way. I’d give it to Easter and reassess. If it’s clear things are not improving then there is a case to be made for giving a new manager an extended chance to look at the squad before the end of the season.
My biggest concern is that so far the new players haven’t really impacted the team. I’m sure many of us had high hopes for Barrett, Daly and Harris but we’ve hardly seen them yet for differing reasons. It’s a hell of a storm to ride out but in my opinion he needs to be given more time.
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 1, 2020 10:11:09 GMT
Having travelled down from North Wales yesterday my abiding emotion is I want this season over ASAP, in 50 plus years I can't recall being so disappointed at a Rovers team. I don't want to end up feeling so disinterested permanently but it's going that way they are killing my passion for the Club is have loved all my life. I'm not sure changing the manager now will help as that will be 4 in 18 months,my sense is we lack leaders on and off the field and apathy all over will do to us what the Conference could not. Yesterday’s performance was the reason I did not renew my season ticket after fifty odd years. Plus, cannot remember the last time the atmosphere was so flat. I am sickened by the way my club is heading, the worst stadium in the league, lack of communication from the board, and feeling really embarrassed to be a gashead at the mo. I too am loosing interest, and totally understand trevorgas. Seriously considering giving the rest of the season a miss. Agreed What really gets me down is I hate feeling like this 😕
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Post by putterbishopston on Mar 1, 2020 10:12:13 GMT
Surely he cannot be given more time, forget the footballing for a moment, it is the adverse affect this will have on attendance and sales of season tickets for next season, in other words the money that helps to keep us going. Sorry, he gotta go!.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 1, 2020 10:17:00 GMT
I was firmly in the Garner in camp last week. I even posted saying next season could be a complete turn around given another window and the summer. However after yesterday I’ll say this, I still think there is a good coach/Manager there BUT he’s not at the clubs he’s been at in the past. According to his interview the players just didn’t do what they practiced all week, which makes me think he’s trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. You can’t make players in league 1 more technically gifted than they are. So perhaps his theories would work somewhere where he has the finances to get in those type of players. If the passing, free flowing football was there I’d say fair enough, but yesterday was horrendous. I can’t think of a single chance created, except Craig’s header from a set piece. All that said I still say give him until the season is over, in the hope that something clicks and we start seeing some signs of improvement. It doesn’t matter where we finish this season and sides that are bottom one year can still be up there the next regardless. At least then he can have no excuses. UTG Give him to end of season? Ok, but what if form and performances continue in same vein? It would then be absolute madness to expect next season to be any different. Look up Nathan Jones pathetic performance at Stoke over a similar period as a case study of wishful thinking!
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Post by Jomo on Mar 1, 2020 10:23:57 GMT
It saddens me to say that I'm now in the "Garner Out" camp. He may be a good coach but if it doesn't translate into results on the pitch then what's the point?
He clearly is incapable of getting the best out of them, and it's his inability to adopt a style of play that plays to our strengths that is the cardinal sin. Any good manager should be able to be adaptable to this and not just plough on blind.
I wanted it to work and I still do if he's given more time. I just don't think it will.
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Post by Fat Albert on Mar 1, 2020 11:02:47 GMT
I was firmly in the Garner in camp last week. I even posted saying next season could be a complete turn around given another window and the summer. However after yesterday I’ll say this, I still think there is a good coach/Manager there BUT he’s not at the clubs he’s been at in the past. According to his interview the players just didn’t do what they practiced all week, which makes me think he’s trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. You can’t make players in league 1 more technically gifted than they are. So perhaps his theories would work somewhere where he has the finances to get in those type of players. If the passing, free flowing football was there I’d say fair enough, but yesterday was horrendous. I can’t think of a single chance created, except Craig’s header from a set piece. All that said I still say give him until the season is over, in the hope that something clicks and we start seeing some signs of improvement. It doesn’t matter where we finish this season and sides that are bottom one year can still be up there the next regardless. At least then he can have no excuses. UTG Give him to end of season? Ok, but what if form and performances continue in same vein? It would then be absolute madness to expect next season to be any different. Look up Nathan Jones pathetic performance at Stoke over a similar period as a case study of wishful thinking! Give him to the end of the season but there would have to be consistent signs of improvement. I don’t make every match but some have said there have been signs of a change in ethos at other games. Clearly yesterday was not one of them. I just don’t think he’s got the players that can produce what they are training all week on a match day. The worry is with our finances/level we play at, I’m not sure he will. He is used to working with much more technically gifted players. You don’t find many of them in league one and those you do cost money. UTG
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Mar 1, 2020 11:13:09 GMT
Personally still ‘Garner In’ as I don’t like the short termism in the modern game & was excited about getting behind a manager who came in with a long term vision, however it’s now at the stage where I can’t argue against anyone who is ‘Garner Out’ anymore.
Yesterday was as bad as it gets and it’s seriously concerning that we don’t appear to have gained any kind of momentum whatsoever from BG finally breaking his duck against Blackpool a few weeks back. If anything performances have been going downhill since probably Wycombe away.
So yeah, I’m still BG In but if he went today it would no longer be unjust or premature IMO.
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Post by gruad on Mar 1, 2020 11:32:46 GMT
As a Manager you manage both ways in the hierarchy.
Downwards means you organise, control, incentivise and discipline your team to deliver the maximum product.
Upwards means you inform your boss what your vision is, where you need extra resource and most importantly how you are going to give him what he wants, so he can show this to his peers or bosses. You have to keep your boss onside or woe betide.
This season is a tale of two managers each able to perform only one function well.
GC took his team by the scruff of the neck and applied a simple formula to win. He is a scary guy who if you cross him will rip you to shreds. Fear and respect is a big element in managing downwards.
On the other hand Wael saw this raging uncouth bull delivering a no frills happy shopper type of football that would keep us mid table Division One forever. GC was incable of delivering a vision, if he had one. It finally breaks down when GC sees Wael's got another manager in his sights.
BG gave Wael the feel good factor. He can talk the talk and there's a long term plan there: a vision. Suddenly the resources that were never there for GC start to flow.
BG's problem is that he's never been a manager and results speak for themselves.
I dont think Wael is evil or profiteering. He's sunk too much of his own money to be that.
What he is is naive. He falls for spin too many times from those he finds likeable (I have made this mistake many times). BG's dreams were built on foundations of sand and he does not have the wherewithal to back them up.
If Wael can admit his mistake now it will not be fatal for him. Get someone in who knows how to manage downwards.
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Post by toddy1953 on Mar 1, 2020 11:59:50 GMT
Never like to see a manager go in a relatively short time, voted to keep him last time, but after yesterday’s pitiful excuse for a performance, he has to go & go now. Yesterday’s performance really sums up my feelings towards the shower that is running the club. I left after 82 min yesterday - less than a handful of times in 55 years that has happened - I didn’t look back once. I think it’s time I had a real hard look at myself & ask is it time to ‘let her go’ ? The club asks “what can we do to encourage you to turn up earlier on match days?” I’d like to ask “What are you going to do to encourage me to turn up at all on match days?” Anyone got Martin Starnes email?
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 1, 2020 12:23:24 GMT
I let irene go in January when she left me for this guy who walked in and gave her all the flannel of a bright new world and she fell for it hook line and sinker. I can see her wanting me back when she needs my support again but it's going to take a lot of apologising and grovelling to get her back into my life again
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Post by toddy1953 on Mar 1, 2020 12:30:38 GMT
I let irene go in January when she left me for this guy who walked in and gave her all the flannel of a bright new world and she fell for it hook line and sinker. I can see her wanting me back when she needs my support again but it's going to take a lot of apologising and grovelling to get her back into my life again Fair Play, I’ve not been strong enough in the past, always felt the guilty one, but relationships work both ways.
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Post by Icegas on Mar 1, 2020 12:53:28 GMT
Being a Rovers fan is like a good hearted lady in her early 30s that is looking for the man of her dreams that she is going to marry and be the father of her kids one day.
But she is currently going out with a loser that she loves dearly,but he does not love back and he cheats on her all the time.
She/Us Gasheads want to see a great future, but even blind hope is turning into hate for our club from loyal fans that have had enough of the club cheating on us.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 1, 2020 19:52:18 GMT
At the beginning of February I posted a poll on Gaschat to ask if people were Garner In or Garner Out. With 114 votes, gasheads voted overwhelmingly in support of Garner, with 82.5% voting Garner In (94/114 voters) and 17.5% voting Garner Out (20/114 voters). Since that point we have played 5 games: Wycombe Wanderers 3-1 Bristol Rovers Tranmere Rovers 0-0 Bristol Rovers Bristol Rovers 2-1 Blackpool Sunderland 3-0 Bristol Rovers Bristol Rovers 0-1 Shrewsbury Town A record of 1 Win, 1 Draw and 3 Losses. Taking our record since Garner's appointment to 1 Win, 5 Draws, 10 Losses in all competitions (1 Win, 4 Draws and 8 Losses in League 1). Well the mood now seems to be almost the exact opposite. The goodwill towards him has more or less vanished. I voted ‘In’ last time but now I have no hesitation in saying he needs to go. Nice fella he might be but he simply isn’t up to it.
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Post by eastville1966 on Mar 1, 2020 20:27:13 GMT
Sadly cancelled my trip to Southend next week. Just can't bear the long drive home if (when) we lose. Only over the last few years been regularly attending away matches and enjoyed the vast majority of them. Unfortunately after the last few matches I've seen enough. Will go to the remaining home matches and see what transpires. One lives in eternal hope......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 22:22:10 GMT
I too have decided not to go to Southend, even though it’s only a 40 mile trip for me. I don’t recognise the club I’ve been watching since 1968.....dreadful owners who can’t or won’t invest, weak executive management and sadly a manager who is totally out of his depth. Relegation next season if this continues, and with attendances down, season tickets, merchandise and match day revenues down, the spiral could get a lot worse. Very sad times.
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