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Post by Jomo on Mar 7, 2020 17:59:18 GMT
He absolutely has got to go now surely? Outplayed by effectively the development squad of the team that has won 3 games all season before today.
The players look like they do not have a clue and it has become a total shambles.
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Post by fanatical on Mar 7, 2020 18:04:04 GMT
Garners message on arriving was "once i get lots of players out of here we will play the way i want". Surprise surprise,senior players didn't like the message and downed tools. He was saying the same thing again post match! He might be a good coach but he clearly hasn’t got a clue how to manage a squad. Anything but sacking him first thing Monday morning is complete negligence from our board.Who be that then? |
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Post by althepirate on Mar 7, 2020 18:05:50 GMT
Let’s be honest fans on this forum complained about the style of football GC was producing week after week. But by hook or by crook , managing to scrape a narrow victory by the odd goal, it was never going to be sustainable . So an inexperience man took over in charge tried to stamp his own style of play into the side. For one reason or another failing miserably, If for example ,fans get there way and Garner either jumps ship or is thrown overboard, where will that leave us?. A new man takes over and again wants to stamp his own authority . More players out to allow signings to be brought in. So let’s start all over again . We are staying in this league for another season ,so we have to put up with this until next season develops..because chopping and changing Managers at will is not the answer. And trust me I’m gutted as the next man. But we are where we are . A club ( unless major investment is forth coming will always stagnate as a League 1 side . Just be grateful for very small mercies. I disagree with this because we are trying to be technically brilliant but we haven't had and won't have the investment to do it. What we always have has been effort, heart and determination, that comes for free and we have lost that. Why do people say GC wasn't sustainable do they have a crystal ball and then say Garner will work long term. Can you get in touch with my Mum and Dad for me? This reasoning is totally illogical and completely devoid of facts. A good Manager in any business looks at his staff finds their strengths and uses those strengths. BG has done the opposite. Kilgour is an amazing prospect, now he looks confused and lost trying to be a full back, he can't do that. Today all the danger was down the left and that was from youth players. How can a Manager who does that be any good long term? Sorry Roosty I respect your opinion and that's what it's all about isn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 18:11:23 GMT
Many fans will lack the passion to buy a ST also. They also do not understand what has happened since BG came in..... I lack the passion to attend Tuesday with the ticket I already have. I certainly lack the passion to buy one for next week. Saves a total of 240 miles, drink, food, programmes and 50/50 tickets. Ditto! |
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Post by althepirate on Mar 7, 2020 18:12:52 GMT
I don’t like seeing home fans turn of the manager, but Benny is out of his depth and the fan base are the only one’s who can make it ugly enough to make the man walk - Give him hell from the minute he walks across the pitch, at least if he does not walk the board might take note, oh if they turn up that is!! So a guy whose working hard but getting it wrong needs to be given hell does he? Have you never tried and failed at anything, if you haven't I would say you've never tried. I'm not proud to be a Gashead because I ever behaved like you suggest and I never would. |
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Post by onedaygas83 on Mar 7, 2020 18:14:35 GMT
He might be a good coach but he clearly hasn’t got a clue how to manage a squad. Anything but sacking him first thing Monday morning is complete negligence from our board. Monday? If they leave it that long it would be unforgivable. Do the right thing and make an announcement by 6pm. Anything else would be disgraceful. It would be nice to think Wally would do it but the owners dont give a sh** about our club so its wishful thinking! |
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Post by Squiffy on Mar 7, 2020 18:36:36 GMT
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Post by matealotblue on Mar 7, 2020 18:36:42 GMT
Last week was out of the blue, but this week was different coz I didn't expect it. Last weeks been brushed under the carpet, is there any room for this one as well? Hope it’s a big carpet then....coz there’s quite a few to sweep under it. |
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Post by Squiffy on Mar 7, 2020 18:38:43 GMT
I don’t like seeing home fans turn on the manager, but Benny is out of his depth and the fan base are the only one’s who can make it ugly enough to make the man walk - Give him hell from the minute he walks across the pitch, at least if he does not walk the board might take note, oh if they turn up that is!! It seems to me that Benny is at a crossroads. 😂 |
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Post by station on Mar 7, 2020 18:45:36 GMT
I don’t like seeing home fans turn of the manager, but Benny is out of his depth and the fan base are the only one’s who can make it ugly enough to make the man walk - Give him hell from the minute he walks across the pitch, at least if he does not walk the board might take note, oh if they turn up that is!! So a guy whose working hard but getting it wrong needs to be given hell does he? Have you never tried and failed at anything, if you haven't I would say you've never tried. I'm not proud to be a Gashead because I ever behaved like you suggest and I never would. . Believe me I have tasted failure many times and got back up every time to fight again, but one win in 18 is unforgivable, he has to go, and if the board do not act, only the fan’s can make a statement, believe me if we go 1/2/3/4 - 0 down Tuesday and again Saturday you will be complaining for sure. If you were that crap at your job you would be sacked. |
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Post by station on Mar 7, 2020 18:48:51 GMT
I don’t like seeing home fans turn on the manager, but Benny is out of his depth and the fan base are the only one’s who can make it ugly enough to make the man walk - Give him hell from the minute he walks across the pitch, at least if he does not walk the board might take note, oh if they turn up that is!! It seems to me that Benny is at a crossroads. 😂 . I wish he would bugger off back to Miss Diane!! |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 7, 2020 19:02:01 GMT
The numbness has worn off and I'm back to anger.
We had 2 chances all game. 1 in the first couple of minute and the other was a gifted goal from Southend. That's literally all we could do against the Southend youth team ffs.
If Tranmere win their game in hand and go 10 points behind us with 10 games to go, we are absolutely in a relegation fight.
It's fact that Ben is our worst manager in our history, how many managers have EVER had such a bad record in 18 games? He's genuinely one of the worst managers of all time.
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Post by socrates on Mar 7, 2020 19:05:49 GMT
Let’s be honest fans on this forum complained about the style of football GC was producing week after week. But by hook or by crook , managing to scrape a narrow victory by the odd goal, it was never going to be sustainable . So an inexperience man took over in charge tried to stamp his own style of play into the side. For one reason or another failing miserably, If for example ,fans get there way and Garner either jumps ship or is thrown overboard, where will that leave us?. A new man takes over and again wants to stamp his own authority . More players out to allow signings to be brought in. So let’s start all over again . We are staying in this league for another season ,so we have to put up with this until next season develops..because chopping and changing Managers at will is not the answer. And trust me I’m gutted as the next man. But we are where we are . A club ( unless major investment is forth coming will always stagnate as a League 1 side . Just be grateful for very small mercies. I disagree with this because we are trying to be technically brilliant but we haven't had and won't have the investment to do it. What we always have has been effort, heart and determination, that comes for free and we have lost that. Why do people say GC wasn't sustainable do they have a crystal ball and then say Garner will work long term. Can you get in touch with my Mum and Dad for me? This reasoning is totally illogical and completely devoid of facts. A good Manager in any business looks at his staff finds their strengths and uses those strengths. BG has done the opposite. Kilgour is an amazing prospect, now he looks confused and lost trying to be a full back, he can't do that. Today all the danger was down the left and that was from youth players. How can a Manager who does that be any good long term? Sorry Roosty I respect your opinion and that's what it's all about isn't it? I agree Al. Garner is the wrong manager for our budget , our board , our training facilities, the players we have at our club , everything. Poor decision at the top for employing him, they needed a leader because they have no leadership. Young players with good technique and potential aren’t going to want to join us with our set up and average young players at our club are unlikely to improve with our training facilities and board in charge. But the biggest thing for me is his leadership qualities. With zero leadership at board level and zero leadership in the squad bar Tony Craig we currently have no leaders at the club whatsoever. This is why Coughlan was so important for us and moving forward to have half a chance of staying up next season we need a strong leader to manage our club until the current board sell up to someone who’s actually going to lead the club forward. Our rise to 4th in the league was more about strength in character and playing to our strengths than ability and our fall over the last 18 games is more about lack of strength of character and lack of playing to our strengths than ability. Our players haven’t gone from top 6 players to relegation players in 3 months they’re still the same players but the circumstances around them have changed and the main point being... ill say it again ... leadership. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 7, 2020 19:10:57 GMT
I think strong leadership is something that has been needed at the club since the start of the D.C. era at least. When he lost it, GC needed to step in. With GC gone, we’re without leadership.
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Post by althepirate on Mar 7, 2020 19:19:38 GMT
So a guy whose working hard but getting it wrong needs to be given hell does he? Have you never tried and failed at anything, if you haven't I would say you've never tried. I'm not proud to be a Gashead because I ever behaved like you suggest and I never would. . Believe me I have tasted failure many times and got back up every time to fight again, but one win in 18 is unforgivable, he has to go, and if the board do not act, only the fan’s can make a statement, believe me if we go 1/2/3/4 - 0 down Tuesday and again Saturday you will be complaining for sure. If you were that crap at your job you would be sacked. Yes I agree he should go, he should have gone last week. It's not his fault he's still here but the board of 2. |
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Post by althepirate on Mar 7, 2020 19:22:04 GMT
I disagree with this because we are trying to be technically brilliant but we haven't had and won't have the investment to do it. What we always have has been effort, heart and determination, that comes for free and we have lost that. Why do people say GC wasn't sustainable do they have a crystal ball and then say Garner will work long term. Can you get in touch with my Mum and Dad for me? This reasoning is totally illogical and completely devoid of facts. A good Manager in any business looks at his staff finds their strengths and uses those strengths. BG has done the opposite. Kilgour is an amazing prospect, now he looks confused and lost trying to be a full back, he can't do that. Today all the danger was down the left and that was from youth players. How can a Manager who does that be any good long term? Sorry Roosty I respect your opinion and that's what it's all about isn't it? I agree Al. Garner is the wrong manager for our budget , our board , our training facilities, the players we have at our club , everything. Poor decision at the top for employing him, they needed a leader because they have no leadership. Young players with good technique and potential aren’t going to want to join us with our set up and average young players at our club are unlikely to improve with our training facilities and board in charge. But the biggest thing for me is his leadership qualities. With zero leadership at board level and zero leadership in the squad bar Tony Craig we currently have no leaders at the club whatsoever. This is why Coughlan was so important for us and moving forward to have half a chance of staying up next season we need a strong leader to manage our club until the current board sell up to someone who’s actually going to lead the club forward. Our rise to 4th in the league was more about strength in character and playing to our strengths than ability and our fall over the last 18 games is more about lack of strength of character and lack of playing to our strengths than ability. Our players haven’t gone from top 6 players to relegation players in 3 months they’re still the same players but the circumstances around them have changed and the main point being... ill say it again ... leadership. This exactly! |
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Post by landrover on Mar 7, 2020 19:44:16 GMT
Whilst leadership is vital, it’s the relationship between manager and players that is the key.
The players aren’t having him whatsoever. It’s so obvious. He couldn’t be more different to Coughlan if he tried.
Leadership is knowing what you’re doing and not only that it’s about the players knowing that the boss knows what he’s doing.
Garner is more like a PlayStation manager. The computer doesn’t answer back or ask questions.
The club is burying its head if they refuse to act and they are wasting time and money if they don’t act ASAP.
Garner has been exposed as a fraud. Harsh, but then he put himself there.
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Post by socrates on Mar 7, 2020 19:52:05 GMT
Whilst leadership is vital, it’s the relationship between manager and players that is the key. The players aren’t having him whatsoever. It’s so obvious. He couldn’t be more different to Coughlan if he tried. Leadership is knowing what you’re doing and not only that it’s about the players knowing that the boss knows what he’s doing. Garner is more like a PlayStation manager. The computer doesn’t answer back or ask questions. The club is burying its head if they refuse to act and they are wasting time and money if they don’t act ASAP. Garner has been exposed as a fraud. Harsh, but then he put himself there. He’s not a fraud he’s a coach with a good reputation as a coach who’s tried his hand at management and failed massively. We’ve all had a go at things that we realised we perhaps couldn’t do it doesn’t make him a fraud it makes him a good coach of young players and a crap manager. He comes across as a decent bloke but also in equal measures he comes across as a bloke who’s way out of his depth as a manager. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 7, 2020 19:53:21 GMT
I disagree with this because we are trying to be technically brilliant but we haven't had and won't have the investment to do it. What we always have has been effort, heart and determination, that comes for free and we have lost that. Why do people say GC wasn't sustainable do they have a crystal ball and then say Garner will work long term. Can you get in touch with my Mum and Dad for me? This reasoning is totally illogical and completely devoid of facts. A good Manager in any business looks at his staff finds their strengths and uses those strengths. BG has done the opposite. Kilgour is an amazing prospect, now he looks confused and lost trying to be a full back, he can't do that. Today all the danger was down the left and that was from youth players. How can a Manager who does that be any good long term? Sorry Roosty I respect your opinion and that's what it's all about isn't it? I agree Al. Garner is the wrong manager for our budget , our board , our training facilities, the players we have at our club , everything. Poor decision at the top for employing him, they needed a leader because they have no leadership. Young players with good technique and potential aren’t going to want to join us with our set up and average young players at our club are unlikely to improve with our training facilities and board in charge. But the biggest thing for me is his leadership qualities. With zero leadership at board level and zero leadership in the squad bar Tony Craig we currently have no leaders at the club whatsoever. This is why Coughlan was so important for us and moving forward to have half a chance of staying up next season we need a strong leader to manage our club until the current board sell up to someone who’s actually going to lead the club forward. Our rise to 4th in the league was more about strength in character and playing to our strengths than ability and our fall over the last 18 games is more about lack of strength of character and lack of playing to our strengths than ability. Our players haven’t gone from top 6 players to relegation players in 3 months they’re still the same players but the circumstances around them have changed and the main point being... ill say it again ... leadership. There's no real evidence Garner can manage any club, Trollope has been a decent coach all his career but even with coaching experience at L1, then later the Championship, he always failed as a manager. |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 7, 2020 19:56:38 GMT
I disagree with this because we are trying to be technically brilliant but we haven't had and won't have the investment to do it. What we always have has been effort, heart and determination, that comes for free and we have lost that. Why do people say GC wasn't sustainable do they have a crystal ball and then say Garner will work long term. Can you get in touch with my Mum and Dad for me? This reasoning is totally illogical and completely devoid of facts. A good Manager in any business looks at his staff finds their strengths and uses those strengths. BG has done the opposite. Kilgour is an amazing prospect, now he looks confused and lost trying to be a full back, he can't do that. Today all the danger was down the left and that was from youth players. How can a Manager who does that be any good long term? Sorry Roosty I respect your opinion and that's what it's all about isn't it? He's the wrong manager for any budget, board, training facility or players at any club. The tactics since he has come in have been abysmal, no team would have been able to win with them. He might be able to coach a player (which is ironic because every player since he came in has got worse), but he can't manage or motivate a team. |
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