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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 2, 2020 10:21:02 GMT
It seems pretty clear this virus isn’t going away quickly. The consequences for our community don’t need explaining again, except maybe to those who think the rules don’t apply to them.
If we, maybe, begin playing football again this year who will be happy to find themselves in a crowd of 75,000 at Old Trafford before a vaccine is found. Who will laud the efforts of our fine young men on £300,000 a week when NHS staff have been treating patients in crowded wards with makeshift protective gear.
Will sport emerge from this disaster with any sense of perspective
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 2, 2020 12:16:01 GMT
I think the antibody tests will be a game changer once they scale this up and hopefully they'll allow a semblance of normality to resume. I received an email from my university a couple fo weeks back looking for funding to help get these tests tested and up and running and they're making great progress. An email today said they're scaling it up this week to strengthen the study with the hope of having a white paper released for peer review as soon as possible.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 2, 2020 12:55:16 GMT
I think the antibody tests will be a game changer once they scale this up and hopefully they'll allow a semblance of normality to resume. I received an email from my university a couple fo weeks back looking for funding to help get these tests tested and up and running and they're making great progress. An email today said they're scaling it up this week to strengthen the study with the hope of having a white paper released for peer review as soon as possible. Yeah, could end up picking players based on who has antibodies.
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Post by matealotblue on Apr 2, 2020 13:06:34 GMT
What did the “old” normal look like? 🤔
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Post by axegas on Apr 2, 2020 13:12:40 GMT
I think the antibody tests will be a game changer once they scale this up and hopefully they'll allow a semblance of normality to resume. I received an email from my university a couple fo weeks back looking for funding to help get these tests tested and up and running and they're making great progress. An email today said they're scaling it up this week to strengthen the study with the hope of having a white paper released for peer review as soon as possible. Yeah, could end up picking players based on who has antibodies. Jaakkola's will let nothing past them.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 2, 2020 13:21:57 GMT
I guess what will L1 & L2 actually look like post CV, how many teams will actually survive and can they continue full time, does travelling the length and breath of the country still make sense at this level. Will football move to being played in just closed stadiums and shown live on iFollow until a vaccination is found, although that would actually suit our ground!!
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 2, 2020 13:45:08 GMT
I guess what will L1 & L2 actually look like post CV, how many teams will actually survive and can they continue full time, does travelling the length and breath of the country still make sense at this level. Will football move to being played in just closed stadiums and shown live on iFollow until a vaccination is found, although that would actually suit our ground!! Safe standing will have a new meaning.....everyone will have a yellow box 2m apart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 13:56:07 GMT
It seems pretty clear this virus isn’t going away quickly. The consequences for our community don’t need explaining again, except maybe to those who think the rules don’t apply to them. If we, maybe, begin playing football again this year who will be happy to find themselves in a crowd of 75,000 at Old Trafford before a vaccine is found. Who will laud the efforts of our fine young men on £300,000 a week when NHS staff have been treating patients in crowded wards with makeshift protective gear. Will sport emerge from this disaster with any sense of perspective If there is one thing that I could say I love about this pandemic, it’s seeing the premier league react the way it has and, if we’re honest, the way everyone expected it too- companies worth hundreds of millions shamelessly using the government bail out to avoid having to pay their infrastructure staff whilst continuing to pay their top assets full whack simply because they are terrified they will leave on a free transfer due or bring court cases due to their wages not being paid in full. The premier league is pretty much sticking it’s middle finger up to the key workers and wider public at a time when those high paid assets are literally as much use to the public now as an ashtray on a motorbike and the key workers perform critical care in the community for a fraction of clown’s wages. I really hope that the public sticks it’s middle finger up in response, stop paying for the sky subscriptions and these clubs suddenly find themselves with the wages of these expensive assets still on the books but no TV money coming in to pay with and the premier league bubble finally bursts. For me, that would be one thing we could actually thank coronavirus for. Some of us have said for a while that footballers are overpaid for their actual skill set and I think it’s now starting to dawn on society as a whole how trivial football is and it’s role in society is not valuable enough to warrant such vast weekly sums that are driving clubs to the wall in order to keep paying the wages and agents fees.
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Post by matealotblue on Apr 2, 2020 14:11:10 GMT
I guess what will L1 & L2 actually look like post CV, how many teams will actually survive and can they continue full time, does travelling the length and breath of the country still make sense at this level. Will football move to being played in just closed stadiums and shown live on iFollow until a vaccination is found, although that would actually suit our ground!! Safe standing will have a new meaning.....everyone will have a yellow box 2m apart. For me I can not see how any “contact” sport can proceed with the current distancing rules in place. Would seem a bit of a contradiction if they are currently saying (as they are) that people kicking a ball around on a park should disperse but it’s “ok” to play a similar sport in a stadium. Mixed messages. Not to mention, as above, how you allow people in to watch it whilst stood next to each other. Much more progress needed in the understanding/treatment/testing of this thing before we get to that stage I reckon.
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Post by RD on Apr 2, 2020 14:11:13 GMT
I think every man and his dog could see that the current footballing business model was not sustainable in the longer term and that the bubble was going to burst imminently.
However - as mentioned above - this whole situation has only reiterated how utterly ridiculous the money is that footballers get paid. Don't get me wrong, at the top it's largely financed by the TV deals and that is financed through demand - so you can argue it's purely a symptom of supply and demand.
However - whilst many of us fans no doubt felt "uncomfortable" with the money in the game prior to this, I think that following this many will believe something HAS to change.
The amount of money players are paid to kick an inflated piece of leather around is crazy. It's disgusting frankly.
Somehow, some way, the world needs to come together and find a way to cap it. Ironically that applies to a lot of things outside of football too; there is far too much wealth distributed across a small number of people - far more money then they'd ever need. I do wonder how much society will change forever as a result of this pandemic.
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Post by mjhgas on Apr 2, 2020 14:39:34 GMT
The fact that Spurs and other PL clubs have furloughed their non-playing staff says it all for me.
Mansfield Town players have taken a pay decrease and some on £2.2k per week!
Top to bottom - the games gone and is rotten to the core.
I'd canceling Sky Sports subscription info had one!
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 2, 2020 14:45:16 GMT
It seems pretty clear this virus isn’t going away quickly. The consequences for our community don’t need explaining again, except maybe to those who think the rules don’t apply to them. If we, maybe, begin playing football again this year who will be happy to find themselves in a crowd of 75,000 at Old Trafford before a vaccine is found. Who will laud the efforts of our fine young men on £300,000 a week when NHS staff have been treating patients in crowded wards with makeshift protective gear. Will sport emerge from this disaster with any sense of perspective If there is one thing that I could say I love about this pandemic, it’s seeing the premier league react the way it has and, if we’re honest, the way everyone expected it too- companies worth hundreds of millions shamelessly using the government bail out to avoid having to pay their infrastructure staff whilst continuing to pay their top assets full whack simply because they are terrified they will leave on a free transfer due or bring court cases due to their wages not being paid in full. The premier league is pretty much sticking it’s middle finger up to the key workers and wider public at a time when those high paid assets are literally as much use to the public now as an ashtray on a motorbike and the key workers perform critical care in the community for a fraction of clown’s wages. I really hope that the public sticks it’s middle finger up in response, stop paying for the sky subscriptions and these clubs suddenly find themselves with the wages of these expensive assets still on the books but no TV money coming in to pay with and the premier league bubble finally bursts. For me, that would be one thing we could actually thank coronavirus for. Some of us have said for a while that footballers are overpaid for their actual skill set and I think it’s now starting to dawn on society as a whole how trivial football is and it’s role in society is not valuable enough to warrant such vast weekly sums that are driving clubs to the wall in order to keep paying the wages and agents fees. Really well put, have to agree whole heartedly. Would love us all to regain some perspective at the end of all this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 14:50:42 GMT
I think every man and his dog could see that the current footballing business model was not sustainable in the longer term and that the bubble was going to burst imminently. However - as mentioned above - this whole situation has only reiterated how utterly ridiculous the money is that footballers get paid. Don't get me wrong, at the top it's largely financed by the TV deals and that is financed through demand - so you can argue it's purely a symptom of supply and demand. However - whilst many of us fans no doubt felt "uncomfortable" with the money in the game prior to this, I think that following this many will believe something HAS to change. The amount of money players are paid to kick an inflated piece of leather around is crazy. It's disgusting frankly. Somehow, some way, the world needs to come together and find a way to cap it. Ironically that applies to a lot of things outside of football too; there is far too much wealth distributed across a small number of people - far more money then they'd ever need. I do wonder how much society will change forever as a result of this pandemic. Absolutely. People don’t want to pay to watch a nurse fit a ventilator to a CV victim, that’s why nurses get paid nowt and footballers get paid what they do. I think we will see change after this and my optimism comes from the fact that whilst we might miss football nobody is dying because we don’t have it. We don’t NEED football. It’s a nice to have and life goes on without it. As such I don’t think people are going to tolerate anymore having these premier league footballers living in their gated communities, treated like some rare species with bodyguards and special chairs so they don’t hurt their precious arses when they are on the bench when nurses up an down the land haven’t got a pot to water in in their workplace. I think most people have had enough with the stark contrast that has become apparent between those people who actually make society work and the lives of footballers- no furlough for them, just a easy money for nothing whilst people die. I was reminded earlier of that poster used to shame men for not going to war, with the child sat on the father’s lap asking him “what did you do during the way daddy?” We should all be asking the premier league: “what did you do during the pandemic, premier league?” What they did was let the tax payer foot the bill for their match day staff, that’s what they did, whilst continuing to fork out for their molly coddled players. We should never forget this when sport resumes.
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Post by RD on Apr 2, 2020 15:04:48 GMT
I think every man and his dog could see that the current footballing business model was not sustainable in the longer term and that the bubble was going to burst imminently. However - as mentioned above - this whole situation has only reiterated how utterly ridiculous the money is that footballers get paid. Don't get me wrong, at the top it's largely financed by the TV deals and that is financed through demand - so you can argue it's purely a symptom of supply and demand. However - whilst many of us fans no doubt felt "uncomfortable" with the money in the game prior to this, I think that following this many will believe something HAS to change. The amount of money players are paid to kick an inflated piece of leather around is crazy. It's disgusting frankly. Somehow, some way, the world needs to come together and find a way to cap it. Ironically that applies to a lot of things outside of football too; there is far too much wealth distributed across a small number of people - far more money then they'd ever need. I do wonder how much society will change forever as a result of this pandemic. Absolutely. People don’t want to pay to watch a nurse fit a ventilator to a CV victim, that’s why nurses get paid nowt and footballers get paid what they do. I think we will see change after this and my optimism comes from the fact that whilst we might miss football nobody is dying because we don’t have it. We don’t NEED football. It’s a nice to have and life goes on without it. As such I don’t think people are going to tolerate anymore having these premier league footballers living in their gated communities, treated like some rare species with bodyguards and special chairs so they don’t hurt their precious arses when they are on the bench when nurses up an down the land haven’t got a pot to water in in their workplace. I think most people have had enough with the stark contrast that has become apparent between those people who actually make society work and the lives of footballers- no furlough for them, just a easy money for nothing whilst people die. I was reminded earlier of that poster used to shame men for not going to war, with the child sat on the father’s lap asking him “what did you do during the way daddy?” We should all be asking the premier league: “what did you do during the pandemic, premier league?” What they did was let the tax payer foot the bill for their match day staff, that’s what they did, whilst continuing to fork out for their molly coddled players. We should never forget this when sport resumes. Well said
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Post by matealotblue on Apr 2, 2020 15:08:36 GMT
I think every man and his dog could see that the current footballing business model was not sustainable in the longer term and that the bubble was going to burst imminently. However - as mentioned above - this whole situation has only reiterated how utterly ridiculous the money is that footballers get paid. Don't get me wrong, at the top it's largely financed by the TV deals and that is financed through demand - so you can argue it's purely a symptom of supply and demand. However - whilst many of us fans no doubt felt "uncomfortable" with the money in the game prior to this, I think that following this many will believe something HAS to change. The amount of money players are paid to kick an inflated piece of leather around is crazy. It's disgusting frankly. Somehow, some way, the world needs to come together and find a way to cap it. Ironically that applies to a lot of things outside of football too; there is far too much wealth distributed across a small number of people - far more money then they'd ever need. I do wonder how much society will change forever as a result of this pandemic. Absolutely. People don’t want to pay to watch a nurse fit a ventilator to a CV victim, that’s why nurses get paid nowt and footballers get paid what they do. I think we will see change after this and my optimism comes from the fact that whilst we might miss football nobody is dying because we don’t have it. We don’t NEED football. It’s a nice to have and life goes on without it. As such I don’t think people are going to tolerate anymore having these premier league footballers living in their gated communities, treated like some rare species with bodyguards and special chairs so they don’t hurt their precious arses when they are on the bench when nurses up an down the land haven’t got a pot to water in in their workplace. I think most people have had enough with the stark contrast that has become apparent between those people who actually make society work and the lives of footballers- no furlough for them, just a easy money for nothing whilst people die. I was reminded earlier of that poster used to shame men for not going to war, with the child sat on the father’s lap asking him “what did you do during the way daddy?” We should all be asking the premier league: “what did you do during the pandemic, premier league?” What they did was let the tax payer foot the bill for their match day staff, that’s what they did, whilst continuing to fork out for their molly coddled players. We should never forget this when sport resumes. 100% concur with all that has been (well) written and expressed above. Sadly, I think, the reality is that there may be some short term kick back on this but in a couple of years time....(football) life will be back to something like we know it to be. The money in tv etc will make it so. Certainly at the top level, below that maybe one or two casualties perhaps. But the money in the Ivory Tower won’t give a flying fook about that ....
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Post by Big Jock on Apr 2, 2020 15:12:03 GMT
I think th end result will be what they've always wanted - th Americanisation of popular sports. It will be run like th NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB for elite teams/franchises only, there will actually be some welcome changes, however th biggest change will be th end of smaller clubs, they will end up semi-professional at best.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 15:22:40 GMT
Absolutely. People don’t want to pay to watch a nurse fit a ventilator to a CV victim, that’s why nurses get paid nowt and footballers get paid what they do. I think we will see change after this and my optimism comes from the fact that whilst we might miss football nobody is dying because we don’t have it. We don’t NEED football. It’s a nice to have and life goes on without it. As such I don’t think people are going to tolerate anymore having these premier league footballers living in their gated communities, treated like some rare species with bodyguards and special chairs so they don’t hurt their precious arses when they are on the bench when nurses up an down the land haven’t got a pot to water in in their workplace. I think most people have had enough with the stark contrast that has become apparent between those people who actually make society work and the lives of footballers- no furlough for them, just a easy money for nothing whilst people die. I was reminded earlier of that poster used to shame men for not going to war, with the child sat on the father’s lap asking him “what did you do during the way daddy?” We should all be asking the premier league: “what did you do during the pandemic, premier league?” What they did was let the tax payer foot the bill for their match day staff, that’s what they did, whilst continuing to fork out for their molly coddled players. We should never forget this when sport resumes. 100% concur with all that has been (well) written and expressed above. Sadly, I think, the reality is that there may be some short term kick back on this but in a couple of years time....(football) life will be back to something like we know it to be. The money in tv etc will make it so. Certainly at the top level, below that maybe one or two casualties perhaps. But the money in the Ivory Tower won’t give a flying fook about that .... Well, at the end of the day it’s not down to them, it’s down to us. If we feel that strongly about it we with hold our money. Easier said then done though unfortunately. The problem isn’t even the UK market- the rights packages actually *lost* value when Sky and BT paid less than the time before for the last rights issue. The problem is the foreign market, particularly Asia. That’s where the bulk of the TV money comes from. I don’t think their appetite will have diminished for premier league football. The question is have their economies taken enough of a battering that football for them is now a luxury and they have other priorities? Fingers crossed we see a dystopian future where the prem teams all scuttle off on their pre season globe trotting tours to play in empty stadiums because the entire world has realised how much value for money football actually offers. We can but dream I guess...
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Post by axegas on Apr 2, 2020 15:35:22 GMT
It seems pretty clear this virus isn’t going away quickly. The consequences for our community don’t need explaining again, except maybe to those who think the rules don’t apply to them. If we, maybe, begin playing football again this year who will be happy to find themselves in a crowd of 75,000 at Old Trafford before a vaccine is found. Who will laud the efforts of our fine young men on £300,000 a week when NHS staff have been treating patients in crowded wards with makeshift protective gear. Will sport emerge from this disaster with any sense of perspective If there is one thing that I could say I love about this pandemic, it’s seeing the premier league react the way it has and, if we’re honest, the way everyone expected it too- companies worth hundreds of millions shamelessly using the government bail out to avoid having to pay their infrastructure staff whilst continuing to pay their top assets full whack simply because they are terrified they will leave on a free transfer due or bring court cases due to their wages not being paid in full. The premier league is pretty much sticking it’s middle finger up to the key workers and wider public at a time when those high paid assets are literally as much use to the public now as an ashtray on a motorbike and the key workers perform critical care in the community for a fraction of clown’s wages. I really hope that the public sticks it’s middle finger up in response, stop paying for the sky subscriptions and these clubs suddenly find themselves with the wages of these expensive assets still on the books but no TV money coming in to pay with and the premier league bubble finally bursts. For me, that would be one thing we could actually thank coronavirus for. Some of us have said for a while that footballers are overpaid for their actual skill set and I think it’s now starting to dawn on society as a whole how trivial football is and it’s role in society is not valuable enough to warrant such vast weekly sums that are driving clubs to the wall in order to keep paying the wages and agents fees. I absolutely agree mate, some clubs in the premier league showing their true colours at a time when society needs all the help it can get. How any organisation can protect employees earning £600,000 a month whilst simultaneously asking the government to bail them out on employee wages that are just a fraction of that, is completely beyond me. Some of their counterparts in Spain and Italy have acted class during this pandemic, it's a shame they couldn't follow suit. Mike Ashley in particular, has made himself look like a right prick throughout all of this. Insisting that his Sports Direct shops should remain open and furloughing all non first team Newcastle staff at the first opportunity he got. Just goes to show that the only thing he's concerned about is his profit margins, not public health or public finances. What I would add, is that we should be careful of tarring every single football club with the same brush. Chelsea and Manchester City have opened up their stadium to NHS employees, Eddie Howe and a number of backroom staff have taken pay cuts to protect the jobs of other staff at the club. A lot more needs to be done, certainly, but its a good start and I hope further wage cuts can be agreed to prevent clubs resorting to government help.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 16:02:31 GMT
If there is one thing that I could say I love about this pandemic, it’s seeing the premier league react the way it has and, if we’re honest, the way everyone expected it too- companies worth hundreds of millions shamelessly using the government bail out to avoid having to pay their infrastructure staff whilst continuing to pay their top assets full whack simply because they are terrified they will leave on a free transfer due or bring court cases due to their wages not being paid in full. The premier league is pretty much sticking it’s middle finger up to the key workers and wider public at a time when those high paid assets are literally as much use to the public now as an ashtray on a motorbike and the key workers perform critical care in the community for a fraction of clown’s wages. I really hope that the public sticks it’s middle finger up in response, stop paying for the sky subscriptions and these clubs suddenly find themselves with the wages of these expensive assets still on the books but no TV money coming in to pay with and the premier league bubble finally bursts. For me, that would be one thing we could actually thank coronavirus for. Some of us have said for a while that footballers are overpaid for their actual skill set and I think it’s now starting to dawn on society as a whole how trivial football is and it’s role in society is not valuable enough to warrant such vast weekly sums that are driving clubs to the wall in order to keep paying the wages and agents fees. I absolutely agree mate, some clubs in the premier league showing their true colours at a time when society needs all the help it can get. How any organisation can protect employees earning £600,000 a month whilst simultaneously asking the government to bail them out on employee wages that are just a fraction of that, is completely beyond me. Some of their counterparts in Spain and Italy have acted class during this pandemic, it's a shame they couldn't follow suit. Mike Ashley in particular, has made himself look like a right prick throughout all of this. Insisting that his Sports Direct shops should remain open and furloughing all non first team Newcastle staff at the first opportunity he got. Just goes to show that the only thing he's concerned about is his profit margins, not public health or public finances. What I would add, is that we should be careful of tarring every single football club with the same brush. Chelsea and Manchester City have opened up their stadium to NHS employees, Eddie Howe and a number of backroom staff have taken pay cuts to protect the jobs of other staff at the club. A lot more needs to be done, certainly, but its a good start and I hope further wage cuts can be agreed to prevent clubs resorting to government help. Yeah that’s a fair point, Burnley in particular seem to be a good example of a club that is part of it’s community. So there are some clubs doing something positive. The ones who are allowing the taxpayer to pay the wages of their match day staff though are everything that is wrong with top flight football- too much money and too out of touch with the people that fund them. As a whole though, could top flight football clubs in England be doing more? Absolutely. Of course there has to be care not to target them just because they are an easy target, yet at the same time they have all that money which could be doing so much good. I fail to see why any senior premier league player needs to receive their full wage when they could all be donating a small portion of it to help the NHS and to pay for vital equipment. Undoubtedly some will already be doing that, for me it would be nice to see some evidence that all players are re-routing some of the vast sums in wages towards the health service in these unprecedented times.
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Post by teanbiscuits on Apr 2, 2020 16:05:35 GMT
It seems pretty clear this virus isn’t going away quickly. The consequences for our community don’t need explaining again, except maybe to those who think the rules don’t apply to them. If we, maybe, begin playing football again this year who will be happy to find themselves in a crowd of 75,000 at Old Trafford before a vaccine is found. Who will laud the efforts of our fine young men on £300,000 a week when NHS staff have been treating patients in crowded wards with makeshift protective gear. Will sport emerge from this disaster with any sense of perspective I'd be happy to carry on being in large crowds as we were before. Out of all the things I've wanted to do since life has temporarily been wound up, football hasn't been one of them and it's something that not so long ago took up a fair bit of my free time. If anything the last few weeks has shown me not only how little football really matters in life but how far disconnected it is from societies and the communities that clubs are there to support.
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