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Post by yattongas on Nov 23, 2021 18:12:20 GMT
Yatton, with respect I don't know what posting a link to a "Tommy Robinsonfacts" site will add to this discussion..? Other then you trying to make a point? I don't know who created that site but I would suggest that by calling it "Facts" then its properly done by someone anti Robinson.. also how do we know that all those "facts" are indeed true? I know he has been no angle, 100% but people calling him far right is wrong.He left the EDL because they were being taken over by the far right loons and thugs,and no longer stood for what it was created for. I had the same opinion of him that many others do, when Tommy first came onto the scene and saw what the BBC and main stream media portrayed him as and I also believed it,. - A racist thug that hates non whites. But then I chose to look more into him and saw that he was just a guy trying to defend this country and expose Muslim grooming gangs, and corrupt media outlets like the BBC.There is alot of depth to him and he is very knowledgeable on the subjects he talks about, much more so than you or me. He caught the BBC and Sweeney out on his own, and the link in here if you care to watch it.Which I sadly doubt you will ,as most use the exsuse of I'm not going to waste my time of that racist scumbag..etc when it comes to a subject they doesn't agree with. But if yourself or others post links to something anti Robinson, anti Brexit or anti Trump via BBC, Sky, CNN etc it's gospel, and we are racist hate filled thugs that are evil. With respect , icegas that Bollox. He’s a convicted fraudster , thug and a racist amongst other crimes he’s be done for. Them’s the facts. I’ve no desire to argue with you as I’m not interested with arguing with a Tommy Robinson follower , I find him repulsive 🤢 |
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Post by Gassy on Nov 23, 2021 22:16:36 GMT
Proof that it has happened before, proof the BBC are corrupt etc. I’ve asked you before for proof and you haven’t produced. You can’t say you’re calm when you’ve tried to insult me multiple times by calling me a twat & thick f**ker. You also lose the right to call Yatton judgemental when clearly as soon as you’re challenged you get aggressive. Let’s look at the facts: BBC didn’t report on a nothing story from the US. White man online gets livid because the abuser was black and the victim was white and posts that this should be in a racial abuse thread. When challenged, said man gets angry, swears, insults and aggressive because people disagree with his viewpoint. I would say that is pretty much the literal definition of a snowflake. So yes, I’d suggest that you do remove yourself from this conversation. I used the choice of words with "Minor" insults towards you due to being branded a racist for bringing this subject up, and when I have got involved you or Yatton, forgive me I can't remember which one of you it was, then starts picking up on things that I said on different threads a year ago about greta thunberg and other things that has no relevance to this subject,and it's only done to have a dig and pigeon whole me as a racist, sexist which has been done before. I find that childish and pointless,but there is no need to go to level of me name calling so I apologize for that. I loved a debate, welcome other people's opinions.I don't want you or anyone to come around to my way of thinking if you don't agree,but if you don't agree then don't just brand someone something they are not. I'm not livid,or angry about them not reporting it, I just want fairness and if you don't believe that the BBC wouldn't have covered this story, or that there wouldn't be marches on our streets for BLM or woman's rights if this was a white NFL player that attacked his black GF then I disagree with you,and think that's very naive. As for BBC being corrupt. Jimmy savile... They knew and hid for years that he was a Pedophile which has now come out now. John Sweeney - Got caught by a undercover reporter (while getting her drunk) that he was willing to lie about Tommy Robinson and clip things TR had said to fit in with Sweeney's hit job on Parorama story on Tommy Robinson.Sweeney lost his job of 17 years due to this. You go onto BBC jobsite and look at some of there job roles and it's says in pretty much black and white that if you are white please do not apply for this position for disversity reasons. The BBC are a vile company and I find it a disgrace that they have not covered this story given that both involved are famous. I would be interested to see a link to these job roles please? I don't know much on the Saville saga tbh, but I'll take your word for it. But just for fun, if you consider the BBC corrupt based on the cover-up, would you admit that the current Tory government is corrupt? |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 23, 2021 22:31:52 GMT
I used the choice of words with "Minor" insults towards you due to being branded a racist for bringing this subject up, and when I have got involved you or Yatton, forgive me I can't remember which one of you it was, then starts picking up on things that I said on different threads a year ago about greta thunberg and other things that has no relevance to this subject,and it's only done to have a dig and pigeon whole me as a racist, sexist which has been done before. I find that childish and pointless,but there is no need to go to level of me name calling so I apologize for that. I loved a debate, welcome other people's opinions.I don't want you or anyone to come around to my way of thinking if you don't agree,but if you don't agree then don't just brand someone something they are not. I'm not livid,or angry about them not reporting it, I just want fairness and if you don't believe that the BBC wouldn't have covered this story, or that there wouldn't be marches on our streets for BLM or woman's rights if this was a white NFL player that attacked his black GF then I disagree with you,and think that's very naive. As for BBC being corrupt. Jimmy savile... They knew and hid for years that he was a Pedophile which has now come out now. John Sweeney - Got caught by a undercover reporter (while getting her drunk) that he was willing to lie about Tommy Robinson and clip things TR had said to fit in with Sweeney's hit job on Parorama story on Tommy Robinson.Sweeney lost his job of 17 years due to this. You go onto BBC jobsite and look at some of there job roles and it's says in pretty much black and white that if you are white please do not apply for this position for disversity reasons. The BBC are a vile company and I find it a disgrace that they have not covered this story given that both involved are famous. I would be interested to see a link to these job roles please? I don't know much on the Saville saga tbh, but I'll take your word for it. But just for fun, if you consider the BBC corrupt based on the cover-up, would you admit that the current Tory government is corrupt? So you admit that there have been. Cover-ups by the BBC then? Or at least could have been given you're knowledge today? And to answer you're question...f**k yeah they are my friend! But why would you ask that? Again is that because you've painted a picture in your head of what you think I am rather than what I really am? I'm not a fan of any political party of today until they start telling the truth and stop being career politicians. Just because I have the views that I do doesn't mean I'm a Tory! And I'm not staying that you think I am. Lol |
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Post by Gassy on Nov 23, 2021 22:42:12 GMT
I would be interested to see a link to these job roles please? I don't know much on the Saville saga tbh, but I'll take your word for it. But just for fun, if you consider the BBC corrupt based on the cover-up, would you admit that the current Tory government is corrupt? So you admit that there have been. Cover-ups by the BBC then? Or at least could have been given you're knowledge today? And to answer you're question...f**k yeah they are my friend! But why would you ask that? Again is that because you've painted a picture in your head of what you think I am rather than what I really am? I'm not a fan of any political party of today until they start telling the truth and stop being career politicians. Just because I have the views that I do doesn't mean I'm a Tory! And I'm not staying that you think I am. Lol No, where have I said that? I don't know if they're corrupt. My instinct is that they're not, but I guess it depends on your definition of corrupt. As per the Oxford dictionary, "willing to use their power to do dishonest or illegal things in return for money or to get an advantage". On that basis I wouldn't say the BBC is corrupt, there may be some individuals who are in the organisation, but how many people in an organisation need to be corrupt before the organisation is corrupt? Genuine question btw. On the 2nd point, I ask that because pretty much every Tory supporter/right winger on here (if you are one) has defended and denied any wrong doing by the Tories at every step. The only instance I can actually think of where anyone admitted they weren't 100% perfect, was when FranceGas threw Cummings under the bus. So rather than you specifically, it's more the perception of those on here that have scarred me. Apologies if I've put you into that box incorrectly. Btw - I think the reason as well I assumed you were is whenever someone complains about 'lefties', its usually because they're 'righties'  |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 23, 2021 23:04:28 GMT
So you admit that there have been. Cover-ups by the BBC then? Or at least could have been given you're knowledge today? And to answer you're question...f**k yeah they are my friend! But why would you ask that? Again is that because you've painted a picture in your head of what you think I am rather than what I really am? I'm not a fan of any political party of today until they start telling the truth and stop being career politicians. Just because I have the views that I do doesn't mean I'm a Tory! And I'm not staying that you think I am. Lol No, where have I said that? I don't know if they're corrupt. My instinct is that they're not, but I guess it depends on your definition of corrupt. As per the Oxford dictionary, "willing to use their power to do dishonest or illegal things in return for money or to get an advantage". On that basis I wouldn't say the BBC is corrupt, there may be some individuals who are in the organisation, but how many people in an organisation need to be corrupt before the organisation is corrupt? Genuine question btw. On the 2nd point, I ask that because pretty much every Tory supporter/right winger on here (if you are one) has defended and denied any wrong doing by the Tories at every step. The only instance I can actually think of where anyone admitted they weren't 100% perfect, was when FranceGas threw Cummings under the bus. So rather than you specifically, it's more the perception of those on here that have scarred me. Apologies if I've put you into that box incorrectly. Btw - I think the reason as well I assumed you were is whenever someone complains about 'lefties', its usually because they're 'righties' The last comment is one that I can understand but it's not true in my case. I'm a fan of common sense and respect for my fellow human.Be them black, white, Christian, Muslim, gay or straight...Etc It all means the same to me. 20 years ago I would have been more of an old school labour.But they are now not what they were and seem anti anything British and are not the Labour of old. I agree with some of the current Tory's views/policies of today, but I'm in no way a Tory.lol My heart and soul is just, and I mean only just right of center - but that's only because I believe in being proud of where you and proud of your country. I'm just anti the PC brigade and the slander that they come out with when you don't agree with what they say. The extreme Left are more dangerous than the far right of today. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 11:13:15 GMT
its quite funny really the so called right/left divide... on the left the more literate someone is the more they are respected. on the right its the opposite, the less literate the better. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 24, 2021 14:55:51 GMT
its quite funny really the so called right/left divide... on the left the more literate someone is the more they are respected. on the right its the opposite, the less literate the better. Probably because they don't like evidence and facts being articulated to support a point being made. |
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Post by stuartcampbell on Dec 31, 2021 0:47:16 GMT
Yatton, with respect I don't know what posting a link to a "Tommy Robinsonfacts" site will add to this discussion..? Other then you trying to make a point? I don't know who created that site but I would suggest that by calling it "Facts" then its properly done by someone anti Robinson.. also how do we know that all those "facts" are indeed true? I know he has been no angle, 100% but people calling him far right is wrong.He left the EDL because they were being taken over by the far right loons and thugs,and no longer stood for what it was created for. I had the same opinion of him that many others do, when Tommy first came onto the scene and saw what the BBC and main stream media portrayed him as and I also believed it,. - A racist thug that hates non whites. But then I chose to look more into him and saw that he was just a guy trying to defend this country and expose Muslim grooming gangs, and corrupt media outlets like the BBC.There is alot of depth to him and he is very knowledgeable on the subjects he talks about, much more so than you or me. He caught the BBC and Sweeney out on his own, and the link in here if you care to watch it.Which I sadly doubt you will ,as most use the exsuse of I'm not going to waste my time of that racist scumbag..etc when it comes to a subject they doesn't agree with. But if yourself or others post links to something anti Robinson, anti Brexit or anti Trump via BBC, Sky, CNN etc it's gospel, and we are racist hate filled thugs that are evil. He left the EDL for Political traction and nothing more. He is for all intents and purposes an extremist. Loads of people seem to be swayed by Robinson, in particular his Oxford Union speech; until you realise all of the narratives you see are anecdotal, and why's this; because the statistics and studies and facts prove almost all of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon's narratives wrong. As for narratives that are "anti-Robinson," and "anti-Brexit," there's a lot of very legitimate pro-Brexit arguments to be made. I voted for Brexit for instance. Even Trump has been outdone in recent months by his colleagues as was revealed in that interview the other day when the Conservative pundit tried to get him to go to an anti-vaccine stance and he blatantly refused. If you think TR is a good person, I just wanna remind you of a certain story. A couple of years ago there was a video that came out of a very small Syrian boy getting bullied at school, essentially being attacked. TR jumped on the opportunity and claimed that this young Syrian boy had actually attacked 2 girls at his school, what evidence was there for this? Literally nothing. He didn't disclose any of it. This resulted in said Syrian boy receiving death threats and being forced to move schools because, you know, being a Syrian refugee isn't as traumatic an experience as it is. Obviously it came out that this was BS, TR tried to apologise and state he'd been wrong but the family weren't having none of it, took him to court for libel when in the defence TR tried to claim that actually all of it WAS true. Obviously it wasn't so he got found guilty. That's pretty indicative of a person's character if you ask me. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 31, 2021 1:37:21 GMT
Yatton, with respect I don't know what posting a link to a "Tommy Robinsonfacts" site will add to this discussion..? Other then you trying to make a point? I don't know who created that site but I would suggest that by calling it "Facts" then its properly done by someone anti Robinson.. also how do we know that all those "facts" are indeed true? I know he has been no angle, 100% but people calling him far right is wrong.He left the EDL because they were being taken over by the far right loons and thugs,and no longer stood for what it was created for. I had the same opinion of him that many others do, when Tommy first came onto the scene and saw what the BBC and main stream media portrayed him as and I also believed it,. - A racist thug that hates non whites. But then I chose to look more into him and saw that he was just a guy trying to defend this country and expose Muslim grooming gangs, and corrupt media outlets like the BBC.There is alot of depth to him and he is very knowledgeable on the subjects he talks about, much more so than you or me. He caught the BBC and Sweeney out on his own, and the link in here if you care to watch it.Which I sadly doubt you will ,as most use the exsuse of I'm not going to waste my time of that racist scumbag..etc when it comes to a subject they doesn't agree with. But if yourself or others post links to something anti Robinson, anti Brexit or anti Trump via BBC, Sky, CNN etc it's gospel, and we are racist hate filled thugs that are evil. He left the EDL for Political traction and nothing more. He is for all intents and purposes an extremist. Loads of people seem to be swayed by Robinson, in particular his Oxford Union speech; until you realise all of the narratives you see are anecdotal, and why's this; because the statistics and studies and facts prove almost all of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon's narratives wrong. As for narratives that are "anti-Robinson," and "anti-Brexit," there's a lot of very legitimate pro-Brexit arguments to be made. I voted for Brexit for instance. Even Trump has been outdone in recent months by his colleagues as was revealed in that interview the other day when the Conservative pundit tried to get him to go to an anti-vaccine stance and he blatantly refused. If you think TR is a good person, I just wanna remind you of a certain story. A couple of years ago there was a video that came out of a very small Syrian boy getting bullied at school, essentially being attacked. TR jumped on the opportunity and claimed that this young Syrian boy had actually attacked 2 girls at his school, what evidence was there for this? Literally nothing. He didn't disclose any of it. This resulted in said Syrian boy receiving death threats and being forced to move schools because, you know, being a Syrian refugee isn't as traumatic an experience as it is. Obviously it came out that this was BS, TR tried to apologise and state he'd been wrong but the family weren't having none of it, took him to court for libel when in the defence TR tried to claim that actually all of it WAS true. Obviously it wasn't so he got found guilty. That's pretty indicative of a person's character if you ask me. Hit us with your pro Brexit arguments Stu? Agreed on Yaxley Lennon , the blokes a brain dead racist . |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 16:10:23 GMT
He left the EDL for Political traction and nothing more. He is for all intents and purposes an extremist. Loads of people seem to be swayed by Robinson, in particular his Oxford Union speech; until you realise all of the narratives you see are anecdotal, and why's this; because the statistics and studies and facts prove almost all of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon's narratives wrong. As for narratives that are "anti-Robinson," and "anti-Brexit," there's a lot of very legitimate pro-Brexit arguments to be made. I voted for Brexit for instance. Even Trump has been outdone in recent months by his colleagues as was revealed in that interview the other day when the Conservative pundit tried to get him to go to an anti-vaccine stance and he blatantly refused. If you think TR is a good person, I just wanna remind you of a certain story. A couple of years ago there was a video that came out of a very small Syrian boy getting bullied at school, essentially being attacked. TR jumped on the opportunity and claimed that this young Syrian boy had actually attacked 2 girls at his school, what evidence was there for this? Literally nothing. He didn't disclose any of it. This resulted in said Syrian boy receiving death threats and being forced to move schools because, you know, being a Syrian refugee isn't as traumatic an experience as it is. Obviously it came out that this was BS, TR tried to apologise and state he'd been wrong but the family weren't having none of it, took him to court for libel when in the defence TR tried to claim that actually all of it WAS true. Obviously it wasn't so he got found guilty. That's pretty indicative of a person's character if you ask me. Hit us with your pro Brexit arguments Stu? Agreed on Yaxley Lennon , the blokes a brain dead racist . How can you still be so obsessed with brexit after 5 years? What are you personally so miffed about? Is your life so fantastic that brexit is the only thing that upsets you? Maybe the EU has always been a neoliberal project, created to generate cash to wealthy bureaucrats. The Germans own it with the French licking up the spills... Why do you think the UK kept it at arms length and was never really committed? Am interested in your views, as you've obviously some intelligent opinions to say on it after sooo long talking about it 👍. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 2, 2022 16:33:28 GMT
Hit us with your pro Brexit arguments Stu? Agreed on Yaxley Lennon , the blokes a brain dead racist . How can you still be so obsessed with brexit after 5 years? What are you personally so miffed about? Is your life so fantastic that brexit is the only thing that upsets you? Maybe the EU has always been a neoliberal project, created to generate cash to wealthy bureaucrats. The Germans own it with the French licking up the spills... Why do you think the UK kept it at arms length and was never really committed? Am interested in your views, as you've obviously some intelligent opinions to say on it after sooo long talking about it 👍. Brexit only happened a year ago and it’s still not fully implemented yet , so yes it’s still relevant to chat about it imo. All those broken promises as how things would be better for so many industries, farming , fishing automotive etc ….. all bull sh** . Its taken away freedom of movement for my kids which I’ll never forgive those that voted for it and implemented it. It’s has been and will be a big hit to gdp …. 4% at least which affects the taxes we pay , what can go into public services etc . Who’s won so far from Brexit , has the average man or woman on the streets seen any noticeable gains apart from a crown on a pint glass ? It was a project by the rich for the rich . isolation and separatism in a global world won’t be a win in the long term . surpises me that probably the biggest shake up to hit the uk in the last 50 years shouldn’t be discussed now by some people but they couldn’t shut up about it in the lead up. ps I’m not very intelligent as you might have worked out 😀 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 19:43:30 GMT
How can you still be so obsessed with brexit after 5 years? What are you personally so miffed about? Is your life so fantastic that brexit is the only thing that upsets you? Maybe the EU has always been a neoliberal project, created to generate cash to wealthy bureaucrats. The Germans own it with the French licking up the spills... Why do you think the UK kept it at arms length and was never really committed? Am interested in your views, as you've obviously some intelligent opinions to say on it after sooo long talking about it 👍. Brexit only happened a year ago and it’s still not fully implemented yet , so yes it’s still relevant to chat about it imo. All those broken promises as how things would be better for so many industries, farming , fishing automotive etc ….. all bull sh** . Its taken away freedom of movement for my kids which I’ll never forgive those that voted for it and implemented it. It’s has been and will be a big hit to gdp …. 4% at least which affects the taxes we pay , what can go into public services etc . Who’s won so far from Brexit , has the average man or woman on the streets seen any noticeable gains apart from a crown on a pint glass ? It was a project by the rich for the rich . isolation and separatism in a global world won’t be a win in the long term . surpises me that probably the biggest shake up to hit the uk in the last 50 years shouldn’t be discussed now by some people but they couldn’t shut up about it in the lead up. ps I’m not very intelligent as you might have worked out 😀 Freedom of movement lol, how many people actually used that? It's a bourgeois freedom, very few use it. If you asked 100 people their top pros/cons of the EU, how many do you think would say 'freedom of movement', and how many would say 'immigrants'? Liberals can't even talk about immigration sensibly! Not seen one do it yet, and they're the majority! |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 2, 2022 19:50:10 GMT
Brexit only happened a year ago and it’s still not fully implemented yet , so yes it’s still relevant to chat about it imo. All those broken promises as how things would be better for so many industries, farming , fishing automotive etc ….. all bull sh** . Its taken away freedom of movement for my kids which I’ll never forgive those that voted for it and implemented it. It’s has been and will be a big hit to gdp …. 4% at least which affects the taxes we pay , what can go into public services etc . Who’s won so far from Brexit , has the average man or woman on the streets seen any noticeable gains apart from a crown on a pint glass ? It was a project by the rich for the rich . isolation and separatism in a global world won’t be a win in the long term . surpises me that probably the biggest shake up to hit the uk in the last 50 years shouldn’t be discussed now by some people but they couldn’t shut up about it in the lead up. ps I’m not very intelligent as you might have worked out 😀 Freedom of movement lol, how many people actually used that? It's a bourgeois freedom, very few use it. If you asked 100 people their top pros/cons of the EU, how many do you think would say 'freedom of movement', and how many would say 'immigrants'? Liberals can't even talk about immigration sensibly! Not seen one do it yet, and they're the majority! Just because it doesn’t matter to you doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter to others 🙄 news.sky.com/story/general-election-majority-of-voters-want-to-keep-free-movement-after-brexit-says-poll-11861365 |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 2, 2022 20:41:47 GMT
If you want a discussion on immigration start a new thread and give us your thoughts / opinions Grover . |
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