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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 10:39:05 GMT
In my view Brexit and anti-immigration is pretty right wing. It’s a cabinet full of people of privilege who are far removed from the daily struggles that a lot of the people of this country have to endure. What do they know about food banks, insecure housing, stagnant pay and now high unemployment? Sod all. What is worse is they have no real incentive to make those people’s lives better. As Andrew Neil pointed out to the vile Mark whats his chops from the ERG in the wake of the election- they were voted for by people who they never even targeted in their manifesto. Not one policy that would improve the lives of the “Red wall” in the north. Their only obligation is to keep the city of London printing money and to fellate the housing market to keep house prices going up and stave off negative equity (building no new affordable homes and disenfranchising the youth being a key pillar of that strategy). That’s about it. They know everything about foodbanks, insecure housing, stagnant pay, high unemployment/zero hour contracts. It's part of their politics, it helps maintain the the balance of power in the UK. Talk about “spectre at the feast”! 🙄 Maybe this is one for the government thread but I’d love to hear someone explain what this lot are actually doing to work towards eradicating the need for food banks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 11:23:53 GMT
They know everything about foodbanks, insecure housing, stagnant pay, high unemployment/zero hour contracts. It's part of their politics, it helps maintain the the balance of power in the UK. Talk about “spectre at the feast”! 🙄 Maybe this is one for the government thread but I’d love to hear someone explain what this lot are actually doing to work towards eradicating the need for food banks. Usual Tory logic is that if poor people didn't buy flat screen TVs & smartphones then they wouldn't have to use foodbanks. The Tories probably see an opportunity to privatise foodbanks. This thread seems to have deviated from BLM a long time ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 12:08:53 GMT
They know everything about foodbanks, insecure housing, stagnant pay, high unemployment/zero hour contracts. It's part of their politics, it helps maintain the the balance of power in the UK. Talk about “spectre at the feast”! 🙄 Maybe this is one for the government thread but I’d love to hear someone explain what this lot are actually doing to work towards eradicating the need for food banks. These would be the foodbanks set up under Labour. The largest one being run by the Trussell Trust, who are highly politicised and continually publish loaded statements and misleading information. Sure, there are some people in need, that happens under all governments, but I challenge anybody to claim, and expect to be taken seriously, that the present system isn't being abused by some who are happy to hoover goods off of the shelves of foodbanks without a care in the world for how the produce got there or whether someone else may be in genuine need. Personally, I don't see an issue with saying that there's something wrong with a person who would prioritise a Sky Sports package over feeding their family and then expect to visit one of these foodbanks. What am I missing? I would choose to feed my family over and above watching The WWF Royal Rumble. Maybe that's just me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 10:34:38 GMT
Meanwhile Over in the USA Trump, in a desperate bid to deflect from his utter stupidity over the handling of the pandemic, orders in out if State forces to sweep people off the streets of Portland in a method that is against the rule of law and the constitution. In so doing he appears to have energised the protesters who were about to wind down the BLM protests. Now it's about much more than that. "Portland: Parents, nurses and veterans join protests after federal officers deployed Sending federal officers to the protests is seen as unconstitutional by many and has prompted thousands to demonstrate." flip.it/v7Z1pvTrump, one of the few who make Johnson look competent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 10:49:00 GMT
Yes, because after well over 50 days of nightly riots it was all very civilised and those out looting and attacking businesses were just waiting to be told to stop, and they would have complied.
I'm being told that the majority are sick to death of these thugs and want them off of the streets.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 20:45:42 GMT
Here we go, 11 minutes of black Americans saying that BLM don't speak for them, that racism just isn't an issue in their lives, that they don't have an issue with US Police and telling the left to please stop with the 'help' which they can see is nothing more than creating division which they then try to blame on the right.
So yea, America is messed up.
Thanks Democrats.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 7:20:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 9:09:10 GMT
Most importantly, I wish that poor guy a full and speedy recovery from what look like horrible injuries.
But we had someone on here 'presuming' with no evidence a few weeks back that the officers in London who took pictures of those dead girls were racially motivated in doing so. Not every incident involving someone who isn't white is racist. Maybe this one was, maybe it wasn't, we should wait to find out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 10:28:13 GMT
Most importantly, I wish that poor guy a full and speedy recovery from what look like horrible injuries. But we had someone on here 'presuming' with no evidence a few weeks back that the officers in London who took pictures of those dead girls were racially motivated in doing so. Not every incident involving someone who isn't white is racist. Maybe this one was, maybe it wasn't, we should wait to find out. I was discussing that incident with two local friends who are now retired Police Officers. They were genuinely disgusted and in conversation could offer no logical explanation for why the met officers would do that. We discussed the potential for a racially biased motive, on this they disagreed with each other. The wife however was convinced of intrinsic racism within the met based upon her experience with working with met officers. She gave a terrible example of what led her to that conclusion. There is just too much evidence that there is a problem to deny it. That does not in anyway paint all officers as racist, but sadly it leaves that Impression.
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 29, 2020 11:31:47 GMT
Most importantly, I wish that poor guy a full and speedy recovery from what look like horrible injuries. But we had someone on here 'presuming' with no evidence a few weeks back that the officers in London who took pictures of those dead girls were racially motivated in doing so. Not every incident involving someone who isn't white is racist. Maybe this one was, maybe it wasn't, we should wait to find out. I was discussing that incident with two local friends who are now retired Police Officers. They were genuinely disgusted and in conversation could offer no logical explanation for why the met officers would do that. We discussed the potential for a racially biased motive, on this they disagreed with each other. The wife however was convinced of intrinsic racism within the met based upon her experience with working with met officers. She gave a terrible example of what led her to that conclusion. There is just too much evidence that there is a problem to deny it. That does not in anyway paint all officers as racist, but sadly it leaves that Impression. As I`ve said in posts` passim, my ex son in law was a copper. I spent probably a decade listening to his and his friends dehumanised conversations, and I wouldn`t have been remotely surprised if one of them had been caught taking that photograph. But, motivated by racism? That would have surprised me. If those two dead girls had been white, I don`t think it would have made any difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 11:38:08 GMT
Most importantly, I wish that poor guy a full and speedy recovery from what look like horrible injuries. But we had someone on here 'presuming' with no evidence a few weeks back that the officers in London who took pictures of those dead girls were racially motivated in doing so. Not every incident involving someone who isn't white is racist. Maybe this one was, maybe it wasn't, we should wait to find out. I was discussing that incident with two local friends who are now retired Police Officers. They were genuinely disgusted and in conversation could offer no logical explanation for why the met officers would do that. We discussed the potential for a racially biased motive, on this they disagreed with each other. The wife however was convinced of intrinsic racism within the met based upon her experience with working with met officers. She gave a terrible example of what led her to that conclusion. There is just too much evidence that there is a problem to deny it. That does not in anyway paint all officers as racist, but sadly it leaves that Impression. This is exactly the sort of hate filled bile that's poisoning society and creating division. You have zero evidence to conclude racial bias. How many similar incidents to you have to produce a data set? None. Why do you keep humiliating yourself like this? Yes, there will be a small number of racist white officers, but guess what, there'll be some racist black officers as well. The sooner you and everybody like you, determined to cause problems, just step aside and let people get on with their lives without creating problems and insisting that you speak for a sector of society and that you know better than they do about the oppression they 'suffer' the sooner we can all get on with living together without everybody wondering if the other person thinks they are racist, when the vast vast majority simply aren't. You want them to be because it feeds your narrative, but no matter how often you stand there shouting the word, there just aren't enough racists around to meet your requirements. Unless of course you start counting white people who hate themselves and their forefathers, which I'm not prepared to do. How many generations should this guilt be passed down? I don't see you going after Germans for 2 World Wars. I don't see you going after the Turkish or Muslims. Utterly ridiculous manufactured self loathing, created on behalf of people who, mostly, don't even want you to do it for them. Grow up for goodness sake.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 12:08:56 GMT
I was discussing that incident with two local friends who are now retired Police Officers. They were genuinely disgusted and in conversation could offer no logical explanation for why the met officers would do that. We discussed the potential for a racially biased motive, on this they disagreed with each other. The wife however was convinced of intrinsic racism within the met based upon her experience with working with met officers. She gave a terrible example of what led her to that conclusion. There is just too much evidence that there is a problem to deny it. That does not in anyway paint all officers as racist, but sadly it leaves that Impression. This is exactly the sort of hate filled bile that's poisoning society and creating division. You have zero evidence to conclude racial bias. How many similar incidents to you have to produce a data set? None. Why do you keep humiliating yourself like this? Yes, there will be a small number of racist white officers, but guess what, there'll be some racist black officers as well. The sooner you and everybody like you, determined to cause problems, just step aside and let people get on with their lives without creating problems and insisting that you speak for a sector of society and that you know better than they do about the oppression they 'suffer' the sooner we can all get on with living together without everybody wondering if the other person thinks they are racist, when the vast vast majority simply aren't. You want them to be because it feeds your narrative, but no matter how often you stand there shouting the word, there just aren't enough racists around to meet your requirements. Unless of course you start counting white people who hate themselves and their forefathers, which I'm not prepared to do. How many generations should this guilt be passed down? I don't see you going after Germans for 2 World Wars. I don't see you going after the Turkish or Muslims. Utterly ridiculous manufactured self loathing, created on behalf of people who, mostly, don't even want you to do it for them. Grow up for goodness sake. I will tell them tonight, we are meeting up as they are investing in a new business start up. I will tell two experienced retired police officers of your comments on their opinions. I won't take it for granted but I am pretty sure they will laugh off your opinion which has no basis in their ACTUAL experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 12:56:44 GMT
This is exactly the sort of hate filled bile that's poisoning society and creating division. You have zero evidence to conclude racial bias. How many similar incidents to you have to produce a data set? None. Why do you keep humiliating yourself like this? Yes, there will be a small number of racist white officers, but guess what, there'll be some racist black officers as well. The sooner you and everybody like you, determined to cause problems, just step aside and let people get on with their lives without creating problems and insisting that you speak for a sector of society and that you know better than they do about the oppression they 'suffer' the sooner we can all get on with living together without everybody wondering if the other person thinks they are racist, when the vast vast majority simply aren't. You want them to be because it feeds your narrative, but no matter how often you stand there shouting the word, there just aren't enough racists around to meet your requirements. Unless of course you start counting white people who hate themselves and their forefathers, which I'm not prepared to do. How many generations should this guilt be passed down? I don't see you going after Germans for 2 World Wars. I don't see you going after the Turkish or Muslims. Utterly ridiculous manufactured self loathing, created on behalf of people who, mostly, don't even want you to do it for them. Grow up for goodness sake. I will tell them tonight, we are meeting up as they are investing in a new business start up. I will tell two experienced retired police officers of your comments on their opinions. I won't take it for granted but I am pretty sure they will laugh off your opinion which has no basis in their ACTUAL experience. Sure, ask the officer who thinks the actions were racially motivated what he bases that on. Does he know the individuals, has he interviewed them? Thought not. Just more unpleasant beer talk. Yet again you've not bothered looking at evidence. You didn't watch that video of a long line of black Americans all but begging people to stop doing exactly what you do and explaining why it may be that so many black males have problem encounters with US Police. You have 6% of the population committing 40% of violent crime, that just may be part of the problem. You also ignored what I told you about first and second generation black people into America not having anywhere near the same problems with Police and graduating high school in much higher numbers. You've lost this entire debate. You have nothing to say that's of any value whatsoever. Unless of course you have something different to add? Next.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 13:02:20 GMT
I will tell them tonight, we are meeting up as they are investing in a new business start up. I will tell two experienced retired police officers of your comments on their opinions. I won't take it for granted but I am pretty sure they will laugh off your opinion which has no basis in their ACTUAL experience. Sure, ask the officer who thinks the actions were racially motivated what he bases that on. Does he know the individuals, has he interviewed them? Thought not. Just more unpleasant beer talk. Yet again you've not bothered looking at evidence. You didn't watch that video of a long line of black Americans all but begging people to stop doing exactly what you do and explaining why it may be that so many black males have problem encounters with US Police. You have 6% of the population committing 40% of violent crime, that just may be part of the problem. You also ignored what I told you about first and second generation black people into America not having anywhere near the same problems with Police and graduating high school in much higher numbers. You've lost this entire debate. You have nothing to say that's of any value whatsoever. Unless of course you have something different to add? Next. There you have it folks. The psychosis displayed in a "need to win" drive. Ffs, this is not a competition, its a minor discussion forum. You need help, I said it before.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 13:16:41 GMT
Sure, ask the officer who thinks the actions were racially motivated what he bases that on. Does he know the individuals, has he interviewed them? Thought not. Just more unpleasant beer talk. Yet again you've not bothered looking at evidence. You didn't watch that video of a long line of black Americans all but begging people to stop doing exactly what you do and explaining why it may be that so many black males have problem encounters with US Police. You have 6% of the population committing 40% of violent crime, that just may be part of the problem. You also ignored what I told you about first and second generation black people into America not having anywhere near the same problems with Police and graduating high school in much higher numbers. You've lost this entire debate. You have nothing to say that's of any value whatsoever. Unless of course you have something different to add? Next. There you have it folks. The psychosis displayed in a "need to win" drive. Ffs, this is not a competition, its a minor discussion forum. You need help, I said it before. I've debunked, with evidence, just about all of your points. You don't realise this as you refuse to look at evidence provided. But I did didn't declare myself the 'winner', what I actually did was invite you to provide anything new or different that you have, so even in an attempt to discredit me you've managed to be wrong. It's quite a record.
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Post by baggins on Jul 29, 2020 13:25:06 GMT
There you have it folks. The psychosis displayed in a "need to win" drive. Ffs, this is not a competition, its a minor discussion forum. You need help, I said it before. I've debunked, with evidence, just about all of your points. You don't realise this as you refuse to look at evidence provided. But I did didn't declare myself the 'winner', what I actually did was invite you to provide anything new or different that you have, so even in an attempt to discredit me you've managed to be wrong. It's quite a record. You're nobby aren't you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 16:40:18 GMT
I've debunked, with evidence, just about all of your points. You don't realise this as you refuse to look at evidence provided. But I did didn't declare myself the 'winner', what I actually did was invite you to provide anything new or different that you have, so even in an attempt to discredit me you've managed to be wrong. It's quite a record. You're nobby aren't you? The Mrs has never complained. But don't feel too bad if you aren't a Brother of the Long Sword, there's a girl out there for everybody.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 16:45:11 GMT
I was discussing that incident with two local friends who are now retired Police Officers. They were genuinely disgusted and in conversation could offer no logical explanation for why the met officers would do that. We discussed the potential for a racially biased motive, on this they disagreed with each other. The wife however was convinced of intrinsic racism within the met based upon her experience with working with met officers. She gave a terrible example of what led her to that conclusion. There is just too much evidence that there is a problem to deny it. That does not in anyway paint all officers as racist, but sadly it leaves that Impression. As I`ve said in posts` passim, my ex son in law was a copper. I spent probably a decade listening to his and his friends dehumanised conversations, and I wouldn`t have been remotely surprised if one of them had been caught taking that photograph. But, motivated by racism? That would have surprised me. If those two dead girls had been white, I don`t think it would have made any difference. The difference, is that it would have gone unreported
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 16:56:28 GMT
I was discussing that incident with two local friends who are now retired Police Officers. They were genuinely disgusted and in conversation could offer no logical explanation for why the met officers would do that. We discussed the potential for a racially biased motive, on this they disagreed with each other. The wife however was convinced of intrinsic racism within the met based upon her experience with working with met officers. She gave a terrible example of what led her to that conclusion. There is just too much evidence that there is a problem to deny it. That does not in anyway paint all officers as racist, but sadly it leaves that Impression. This is exactly the sort of hate filled bile that's poisoning society and creating division. You have zero evidence to conclude racial bias. How many similar incidents to you have to produce a data set? None. Why do you keep humiliating yourself like this? Yes, there will be a small number of racist white officers, but guess what, there'll be some racist black officers as well. The sooner you and everybody like you, determined to cause problems, just step aside and let people get on with their lives without creating problems and insisting that you speak for a sector of society and that you know better than they do about the oppression they 'suffer' the sooner we can all get on with living together without everybody wondering if the other person thinks they are racist, when the vast vast majority simply aren't. You want them to be because it feeds your narrative, but no matter how often you stand there shouting the word, there just aren't enough racists around to meet your requirements. Unless of course you start counting white people who hate themselves and their forefathers, which I'm not prepared to do. How many generations should this guilt be passed down? I don't see you going after Germans for 2 World Wars. I don't see you going after the Turkish or Muslims. Utterly ridiculous manufactured self loathing, created on behalf of people who, mostly, don't even want you to do it for them. Grow up for goodness sake. Not necessarily referring to Oldie but more speaking in general you’re right- people *want* more racism. They want more of what they profess to hate. I think there is some kind of symbiotic relationship that has been fuelled by the dopamine of instant social media novelty and gratification and seeking to be offended/righteous, I think they fire the same neurons in the brain. We now understand that people seriously get off on being offended over the slightest things and love to join the Twitter lynch mob so when someone dies and it can it be linked to racism purely through circumstance yet not proven in any way the baying mob are in an ecstasy of froth. It’s a confluence of everything they ever wanted: unjust death at the hands of an authoritarian police that is not also authoritarian but also RACIST too so they can excoriate the hate, guilt and shame they feel at their own skin colour and heritage. Lexical ejaculation through the medium of Twitter follows.
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Post by scoobydoogas on Jul 29, 2020 17:26:18 GMT
As I`ve said in posts` passim, my ex son in law was a copper. I spent probably a decade listening to his and his friends dehumanised conversations, and I wouldn`t have been remotely surprised if one of them had been caught taking that photograph. But, motivated by racism? That would have surprised me. If those two dead girls had been white, I don`t think it would have made any difference. The difference, is that it would have gone unreported Precisely, there would be no mileage in the headline so it goes unreported.
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