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Post by francegas on May 22, 2022 20:00:47 GMT
It’s funny you mention Chicken, as it was making the headlines a while back that the UK was prepared to lower its standards to accept chlorinated chicken in order to get a trade deal with the U.S. We’ve made it abundantly clear that we want to pursue standards de-alignment to “make the most of Brexit” so you can see why the EU aren’t too keen to have avenues of unregulated trade that threaten to undermine the whole of the single market. It’s not the inflexibility of the EU that is the problem here, it’s the inflexibility in the type of Brexit the government has decided to pursue. It could easily have a form of Brexit where this isn’t an issue. Countries not in the same customs union have hard borders, it’s just a matter of fact. Want to avoid that then maybe don’t pursue the hardest Brexit possible, or accept the solution that circumnavigates it already. Well explained . The lack of understanding of ‘we are where we are’ is quite mind boggling. This is the Brexit we signed up to and you can’t have it both ways . When are these Brexiteers going to start understanding this ? N.Ireland is an unsolvable problem . There’s a border on the land , on the sea or Ireland unites . That’s it. But Yatton that is what I originally said. How can it be ok to re-negotiate what we signed up for should Labour get into power but not the NI protocol.
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Post by francegas on May 22, 2022 20:01:55 GMT
It’s funny you mention Chicken, as it was making the headlines a while back that the UK was prepared to lower its standards to accept chlorinated chicken in order to get a trade deal with the U.S. We’ve made it abundantly clear that we want to pursue standards de-alignment to “make the most of Brexit” so you can see why the EU aren’t too keen to have avenues of unregulated trade that threaten to undermine the whole of the single market. It’s not the inflexibility of the EU that is the problem here, it’s the inflexibility in the type of Brexit the government has decided to pursue. It could easily have a form of Brexit where this isn’t an issue. Countries not in the same customs union have hard borders, it’s just a matter of fact. Want to avoid that then maybe don’t pursue the hardest Brexit possible, or accept the solution that circumnavigates it already. Well explained . The lack of understanding of ‘we are where we are’ is quite mind boggling. This is the Brexit we signed up to and you can’t have it both ways . When are these Brexiteers going to start understanding this ? N.Ireland is an unsolvable problem . There’s a border on the land , on the sea or Ireland unites . That’s it. But Yatton that is what I originally said. How can it be ok to re-negotiate what we signed up for should Labour get into power but not the NI protocol.
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Post by yattongas on May 22, 2022 20:03:39 GMT
Well explained . The lack of understanding of ‘we are where we are’ is quite mind boggling. This is the Brexit we signed up to and you can’t have it both ways . When are these Brexiteers going to start understanding this ? N.Ireland is an unsolvable problem . There’s a border on the land , on the sea or Ireland unites . That’s it. But Yatton that is what I originally said. How can it be ok to re-negotiate what we signed up for should Labour get into power but not the NI protocol. Asking to re- join the customs Union/ single market would help to solve some / most/ all of the N.Ireland problems . There’s a difference.
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Post by stuart1974 on May 22, 2022 20:05:26 GMT
Wow ! 👏 Just seen this and I agree with every word .
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Post by stuart1974 on May 22, 2022 20:10:17 GMT
Well explained . The lack of understanding of ‘we are where we are’ is quite mind boggling. This is the Brexit we signed up to and you can’t have it both ways . When are these Brexiteers going to start understanding this ? N.Ireland is an unsolvable problem . There’s a border on the land , on the sea or Ireland unites . That’s it. But Yatton that is what I originally said. How can it be ok to re-negotiate what we signed up for should Labour get into power but not the NI protocol. Happy to improve arrangements,the big issue is that this is Boris' own deal he is now admitting is no good. Don't forget this is the "oven ready" deal he was voted in on. For me it's not the changing, it's the continuation of his lies, yet his sycophants twist this more than a contortionist.
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Post by gashead79 on May 22, 2022 20:41:07 GMT
Perhaps the group that is most disappointed with Corbyn’s Labour Party are younger generations who enthusiastically sang “oh, Jeremy Corbyn” at Glastonbury in 2017, in the expectation he would help block a hard Brexit. Now they hear him declaring he wants to facilitate one.
Good old Jezza. Wonder if there'd be silence if he'd taken us through? Much like the silence on that old fella over the Atlantic. Just like Trump, Bojo is scrutinised for every utterance but the lefties are left alone. Is Biden doing a good job? Sounds like a fat NO when I hear from my US colleagues..
Labour backed brexit but started squirming when the vote looked like it was going to be a close call. 😳
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Post by oldie on May 22, 2022 20:48:20 GMT
Perhaps the group that is most disappointed with Corbyn’s Labour Party are younger generations who enthusiastically sang “oh, Jeremy Corbyn” at Glastonbury in 2017, in the expectation he would help block a hard Brexit. Now they hear him declaring he wants to facilitate one. Good old Jezza. Wonder if there'd be silence if he'd taken us through? Much like the silence on that old fella over the Atlantic. Just like Trump, Bojo is scrutinised for every utterance but the lefties are left alone. Is Biden doing a good job? Sounds like a fat NO when I hear from my US colleagues.. Labour backed brexit but started squirming when the vote looked like it was going to be a close call. 😳 Best focus on where we are in the UK, now. Not concern ourselves with a discredited former party leader who was trounced in 2019. Same with the USA, we can sit back and laugh at Trump, but we have more serious issues in the UK. Anything else is deflection.
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Post by yattongas on May 22, 2022 20:51:39 GMT
Perhaps the group that is most disappointed with Corbyn’s Labour Party are younger generations who enthusiastically sang “oh, Jeremy Corbyn” at Glastonbury in 2017, in the expectation he would help block a hard Brexit. Now they hear him declaring he wants to facilitate one. Good old Jezza. Wonder if there'd be silence if he'd taken us through? Much like the silence on that old fella over the Atlantic. Just like Trump, Bojo is scrutinised for every utterance but the lefties are left alone. Is Biden doing a good job? Sounds like a fat NO when I hear from my US colleagues.. Labour backed brexit but started squirming when the vote looked like it was going to be a close call. 😳 “Now they hear him declaring he wants to facilitate one.” When was this , as I’ve not heard that ?
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Post by gashead79 on May 22, 2022 20:51:58 GMT
Perhaps the group that is most disappointed with Corbyn’s Labour Party are younger generations who enthusiastically sang “oh, Jeremy Corbyn” at Glastonbury in 2017, in the expectation he would help block a hard Brexit. Now they hear him declaring he wants to facilitate one. Good old Jezza. Wonder if there'd be silence if he'd taken us through? Much like the silence on that old fella over the Atlantic. Just like Trump, Bojo is scrutinised for every utterance but the lefties are left alone. Is Biden doing a good job? Sounds like a fat NO when I hear from my US colleagues.. Labour backed brexit but started squirming when the vote looked like it was going to be a close call. 😳 Best focus on where we are in the UK, now. Not concern ourselves with a discredited former party leader who was trounced in 2019. Same with the USA, we can sit back and laugh at Trump, but we have more serious issues in the UK. Anything else is deflection. Yeah sure. Deflection is the call. Labour backed brexit though right? Result would have been the same. Not so many people laughing at Trump on the US btw, but the new guy is certainly amusing...not that the news channels are exposing him like they could for some reason. UK now is a real test for sure.
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Post by gashead79 on May 22, 2022 20:53:42 GMT
Perhaps the group that is most disappointed with Corbyn’s Labour Party are younger generations who enthusiastically sang “oh, Jeremy Corbyn” at Glastonbury in 2017, in the expectation he would help block a hard Brexit. Now they hear him declaring he wants to facilitate one. Good old Jezza. Wonder if there'd be silence if he'd taken us through? Much like the silence on that old fella over the Atlantic. Just like Trump, Bojo is scrutinised for every utterance but the lefties are left alone. Is Biden doing a good job? Sounds like a fat NO when I hear from my US colleagues.. Labour backed brexit but started squirming when the vote looked like it was going to be a close call. 😳 “Now they hear him declaring he wants to facilitate one.” When was this , as I’ve not heard that ? An independent(newspaper)article from 2019. It's old news.
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Post by yattongas on May 22, 2022 20:55:00 GMT
Best focus on where we are in the UK, now. Not concern ourselves with a discredited former party leader who was trounced in 2019. Same with the USA, we can sit back and laugh at Trump, but we have more serious issues in the UK. Anything else is deflection. Yeah sure. Deflection is the call. Labour backed brexit though right? Result would have been the same. Not so many people laughing at Trump on the US btw, but the new guy is certainly amusing...not that the news channels are exposing him like they could for some reason. UK now is a real test for sure. A Trump loving , covid denying , Brexit supporting Tory . Ticking every box ✅ 😃
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Post by yattongas on May 22, 2022 20:55:22 GMT
“Now they hear him declaring he wants to facilitate one.” When was this , as I’ve not heard that ? An independent(newspaper)article from 2019. It's old news. Link ?
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Post by oldie on May 22, 2022 21:06:28 GMT
“Now they hear him declaring he wants to facilitate one.” When was this , as I’ve not heard that ? An independent(newspaper)article from 2019. It's old news. Precisely. It's no longer relevant I have no idea why you are raising it.
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Post by gashead79 on May 22, 2022 21:23:32 GMT
Yeah sure. Deflection is the call. Labour backed brexit though right? Result would have been the same. Not so many people laughing at Trump on the US btw, but the new guy is certainly amusing...not that the news channels are exposing him like they could for some reason. UK now is a real test for sure. A Trump loving , covid denying , Brexit supporting Tory . Ticking every box ✅ 😃 In your world yes. Difference being I have spent time in the US with red/blue, spent time discussing covid with family and friends with different views, took my votes as per, and believe in working hard to achieve. Clearly I don't know you or your genuine motivations, but in terms of ticking boxes it seems that we are on opposite sides of the fence. I am OK with that.
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Post by gashead79 on May 22, 2022 21:27:44 GMT
An independent(newspaper)article from 2019. It's old news. Precisely. It's no longer relevant I have no idea why you are raising it. The references to Tory voting brexiteers is the common theme here. Let's not forget what contributed to the current situation eh? Labour backed brexit.
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Post by yattongas on May 22, 2022 21:33:11 GMT
A Trump loving , covid denying , Brexit supporting Tory . Ticking every box ✅ 😃 In your world yes. Difference being I have spent time in the US with red/blue, spent time discussing covid with family and friends with different views, took my votes as per, and believe in working hard to achieve. Clearly I don't know you or your genuine motivations, but in terms of ticking boxes it seems that we are on opposite sides of the fence. I am OK with that. It was just an observation 😀
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Post by stuart1974 on May 22, 2022 21:35:54 GMT
Precisely. It's no longer relevant I have no idea why you are raising it. The references to Tory voting brexiteers is the common theme here. Let's not forget what contributed to the current situation eh? Labour backed brexit. Do you mean the triggering of Article 50 or something else?
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Post by gashead79 on May 22, 2022 21:36:44 GMT
In your world yes. Difference being I have spent time in the US with red/blue, spent time discussing covid with family and friends with different views, took my votes as per, and believe in working hard to achieve. Clearly I don't know you or your genuine motivations, but in terms of ticking boxes it seems that we are on opposite sides of the fence. I am OK with that. It was just an observation 😀 It's all good Yatton. 👍🏼
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Post by yattongas on May 22, 2022 21:38:46 GMT
It was just an observation 😀 It's all good Yatton. 👍🏼 My son lives in North Carolina so I do know a little bit about US politics. No expert though that’s for sure.
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Post by axegas on May 22, 2022 21:45:28 GMT
Precisely. It's no longer relevant I have no idea why you are raising it. The references to Tory voting brexiteers is the common theme here. Let's not forget what contributed to the current situation eh? Labour backed brexit. Labour didn’t back Brexit, they let their members decide and most of them voted remain. Yes, there were some members of the Labour Party that voted for Brexit if that’s your point, remain vs leave has never been a case of left vs right, even if it’s becoming like that nowadays. Labour were the original Eurosceptic party before Blair got into power in 1997 and the eurosceptic wing of the Tory party grew.
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