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Post by yattongas on Jul 17, 2022 19:57:34 GMT
To understand where we are you have to understand how we got here. Age nor ignorance is an excuse. Whilst I would agree with that I suppose your fully aware of the economic policy of the labour government of 1924 then. You’re |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 17, 2022 19:57:44 GMT
To understand where we are you have to understand how we got here. Age nor ignorance is an excuse. Whilst I would agree with that I suppose your fully aware of the economic policy of the labour government of 1924 then. You’re |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 20:04:08 GMT
The point Oldie is making, and one I've advocated many times, is that events cannot be seen in isolation. Few events happen within a vacuum. Thank you Stuart. Don't you get tired of these myopic rants from right wing Brexiteers? I am sure France is a thoroughly decent bloke who it would be good to share a beer with, but it is hard to be polite sometimes. Would be happy to share a beer with any of you guys. (Although I doubt fintanstack would) Just because we're poles apart on political views doesn't make either of us unpleasant individuals. After all I've offered Yatton a stop over here on his travels through France and he normally gives me full barrels, recently taken over by Oldie. |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 20:07:13 GMT
Whilst I would agree with that I suppose your fully aware of the economic policy of the labour government of 1924 then. You’re 🙄 so very sorry . |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 17, 2022 20:17:54 GMT
You’re more than welcome my misguided friend 😃 |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 17, 2022 20:28:10 GMT
I'm going to be a bit controvertial here, having grown up under Thatcher I really hated her. For me she sold off the family silver and brought in a period of 'greed is good' and the 'me, me, me' view of the world. However, having had the opportunity to reflect and importantly judge her time with the benefit of seeing her in the context of the 1970s which I couldn't really as a schoolboy, I at least can understand how she came to power with the views she did. Still don't like her, especially for the division she sowed but my view has mellowed over time. I would certainly recommend watching Dominic Sandbrook's documentaries on the 1970s and on Thatcher. In terms of Blair, the legacy of Iraq will overshadow all the good that his administration did. I also think there was a wasted opportunity with his majorities to make a few more reforms, especially around parliament. Prior to Iraq he had a good legacy, then blew it. Not just because of the war, but the whole aftermath. I liked John Major but he led a fractured and incompetent government for 7 years. He still started many changes though, including lottery funding for sports leading to our successes in the Olympics and in Northern Ireland. Never liked Gordon Brown, Cameron put party before country, May tried but failed. Boris aside, for me the worst PM, post war anyway, would be Anthony Eden, Suez was such a mistake and it had great negative impacts on our international relationships. Having said that, Boris is still the worst by a country mile. His only saving grace was his support for Ukraine but even that is mitigated by the red tape of visas for refugees. Do you know of a good documentary on the Suez affair on Netflix or wherever ? Gotta be honest it was a bit before my time ……. By at least 20 yrs . Thanks for all the suggestions chaps 🙄 Anyway…… found something on YouTube.’ The other side of Suez ‘. very interesting 🧐 Amusing to see we were led by another Elton / Oxford loon ! |
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Post by oldie on Jul 17, 2022 20:34:20 GMT
To understand where we are you have to understand how we got here. Age nor ignorance is an excuse. Whilst I would agree with that I suppose your fully aware of the economic policy of the labour government of 1924 then. Since the Peterloo Massacre |
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Post by aghast on Jul 17, 2022 21:49:36 GMT
Boris didn't do anything as London Mayor except continue on with the policies and successes achieved by Ken Livingstone. Like him or not, Livingstone was a revelation as Mayor. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Are you seriously suggesting, by your infantile response, that Livingstone was not a good Mayor of London? I was there at the time. I won't bother to post links about his successful tenure that nobody will read, but if you think he was not a success, you are either ill informed, deluded or unable to see beyond your Tory prejudice. I wonder which it is. |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 21:51:00 GMT
Do you know of a good documentary on the Suez affair on Netflix or wherever ? Gotta be honest it was a bit before my time ……. By at least 20 yrs . Thanks for all the suggestions chaps 🙄 Anyway…… found something on YouTube.’ The other side of Suez ‘. very interesting 🧐 Amusing to see we were led by another Elton / Oxford loon ! "Eton" |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 17, 2022 21:53:01 GMT
Thanks for all the suggestions chaps 🙄 Anyway…… found something on YouTube.’ The other side of Suez ‘. very interesting 🧐 Amusing to see we were led by another Elton / Oxford loon ! "Eton" Just seeing if you were paying attention. Give yourself a biscuit 🍪. |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 21:54:46 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting, by your infantile response, that Livingstone was not a good Mayor of London? I was there at the time. I won't bother to post links about his successful tenure that nobody will read, but if you think he was not a success, you are either ill informed, deluded or unable to see beyond your Tory prejudice. I wonder which it is. If you want to see infantile responses look what I have to put up with. He may have been a "good" mayor but hardly a revelation. Anyway the discussion was about Boris as Mayor and I believe he was a very good mayor. |
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Post by aghast on Jul 17, 2022 21:57:42 GMT
Thank you Stuart. Don't you get tired of these myopic rants from right wing Brexiteers? I am sure France is a thoroughly decent bloke who it would be good to share a beer with, but it is hard to be polite sometimes. Would be happy to share a beer with any of you guys. (Although I doubt fintanstack would) Just because we're poles apart on political views doesn't make either of us unpleasant individuals. After all I've offered Yatton a stop over here on his travels through France and he normally gives me full barrels, recently taken over by Oldie. I think people with your views are generally unpleasant individuals, and in the unlikely event you offered to have a beer with me, I would not dream of accepting. How's life in the EU? Any benefits? Or do you just like to live there and mock it from within? |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 22:07:23 GMT
Would be happy to share a beer with any of you guys. (Although I doubt fintanstack would) Just because we're poles apart on political views doesn't make either of us unpleasant individuals. After all I've offered Yatton a stop over here on his travels through France and he normally gives me full barrels, recently taken over by Oldie. I think people with your views are generally unpleasant individuals, and in the unlikely event you offered to have a beer with me, I would not dream of accepting. How's life in the EU? Any benefits? Or do you just like to live there and mock it from within? Ah well no loss there then. How narrow minded you are being unable to accept that someone in life may just have a different opinion to you. Retired life is great here ...why how is life for you. Exactly who and what am I mocking. |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 22:13:30 GMT
Would be happy to share a beer with any of you guys. (Although I doubt fintanstack would) Just because we're poles apart on political views doesn't make either of us unpleasant individuals. After all I've offered Yatton a stop over here on his travels through France and he normally gives me full barrels, recently taken over by Oldie. I think people with your views are generally unpleasant individuals, and in the unlikely event you offered to have a beer with me, I would not dream of accepting. How's life in the EU? Any benefits? Or do you just like to live there and mock it from within? Wow maybe you can expand on what views I have that make me an unpleasant person. I've never portrayed anything as racist, homophobic, anti transgender etc etc but just because I believe Boris was a decent mayor you like others from the left throw your toys out the pram and although not knowing me make an assumption I'm an unpleasant person. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 17, 2022 22:14:52 GMT
Would be happy to share a beer with any of you guys. (Although I doubt fintanstack would) Just because we're poles apart on political views doesn't make either of us unpleasant individuals. After all I've offered Yatton a stop over here on his travels through France and he normally gives me full barrels, recently taken over by Oldie. I think people with your views are generally unpleasant individuals, and in the unlikely event you offered to have a beer with me, I would not dream of accepting. How's life in the EU? Any benefits? Or do you just like to live there and mock it from within? To be fair France is a thoroughly decent bloke who’s always been polite to me. Just a shame he’s off his rocker ! |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 17, 2022 22:16:13 GMT
I think people with your views are generally unpleasant individuals, and in the unlikely event you offered to have a beer with me, I would not dream of accepting. How's life in the EU? Any benefits? Or do you just like to live there and mock it from within? To be fair France is a thoroughly decent bloke who’s always been polite to me. Just a shame he’s off his rocker ! Ps one day I hope to have a beer with him 🍻 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 17, 2022 23:17:52 GMT
Do you know of a good documentary on the Suez affair on Netflix or wherever ? Gotta be honest it was a bit before my time ……. By at least 20 yrs . Thanks for all the suggestions chaps 🙄 Anyway…… found something on YouTube.’ The other side of Suez ‘. very interesting 🧐 Amusing to see we were led by another Elton / Oxford loon ! Give me a chance, some of us are busy!! 😇 There isn't one off the top of my head but plenty of YouTube stuff as you've found. Eden was another who couldn't wait for his 'turn' at the top job then threw it away. Several ramifications, interestingly it also set in place the Treaty of Rome. It's a little remembered event generally but a very important watershed in European history. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 18, 2022 0:08:42 GMT
But what private sector company is going to take on loss making enterprises? To quote you "Just a question.... if you owned loss making businesses what would you do with them. Carry on making loss after loss or get rid?" Yes by get rid I mean sell them off. On the subject of privatisation for the sake of ideology over practicality, the government in the mid 80s wanted to sell off Royal Ordnance. In preparing it for privatisation it ordered the MoD to buy a rifle which wasn't really ready and set up a new factory ready for thousands of exports. In the event, the rifle became a liability, a laughing stock internationally and had no orders of note. We sent soldiers to war with a rifle that fell apart. It took a Labour government and German knowhow, plus lots of money, to rectify the problems 12 years later. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 18, 2022 6:01:18 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jul 18, 2022 6:47:08 GMT
Thanks for all the suggestions chaps 🙄 Anyway…… found something on YouTube.’ The other side of Suez ‘. very interesting 🧐 Amusing to see we were led by another Elton / Oxford loon ! Give me a chance, some of us are busy!! 😇 There isn't one off the top of my head but plenty of YouTube stuff as you've found. Eden was another who couldn't wait for his 'turn' at the top job then threw it away. Several ramifications, interestingly it also set in place the Treaty of Rome. It's a little remembered event generally but a very important watershed in European history. Thanks that was a really good explainer. Everyday is a school day ! |
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