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Post by oldgas on Sept 6, 2020 18:55:05 GMT
Yep, just like the Labour government single handedly fixed American mortgages and loans in order to crash the UK economy only, whilst the rest of the word wasn’t effected at all. Meanwhile in Europe we’ve got the highest cases, highest deaths and worst hit economy despite having 2-3 weeks advance notice ahead of the rest of Europe. But that’s not their fault, no. They’ve done a stellar job Whilst we may have the highest number of deaths in total it's interesting looking at deaths per capita which I believe puts Belgium at the top and dear okd Nicola's Scotland 3rd and I tend to think that's by far a better indicator. As for the economy it's no surprise we have a Consumer demand led economy underpinned by borrowing whilst much of Europe has a more mixed model . I believe one of the reasons we have a high Covid rate is because we have a large population in a small area. We have a slightly larger pop than France, who have 3 times the land mass. We have a much bigger pop than Spain, again they have over twice as much land as us. Another factor is the size and density of our cities. Much bigger than European countries and so any infectious disease is able to spread more easily. They have had to lock down Leicester and northern cities recently because of further outbreaks, caused in the main by non-indigenous people living in great numbers in houses designed for far fewer people and working in sweat shop conditions for other apparently unscrupulous non-indigenous employers, with the full knowledge of non-indigenous local and national politicians. I believe that over 40 of our recently arrived uninvited guests have proved positive this weekend. But never mind, the bleeding heart Liberal Left will blame it all on the Conservative government. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 18:59:03 GMT
Recessions can be caused by a myriad of factors. What is under the control of the Government is spending. Despite all the promises made at the 2010 election this Government managed to nearly double the national debt. So when considering the competence of the current cabinet make up that has to be considered. Add the Brexit Ref., Add the utterly shambolic negotiations with the EU since, the total lack of significant trade treaties during the past four years despite the promises, the lack of any real policy agendas since 2017 and now the farce since January 2020. No Government at all in place would not have led to worse outcomes. But this is all just diversionary baiting by Oldgas...we have seen it all before. Just a chunk of puerile posts with zero factual analysis other than schoolboy "Whataboutery". Best ignored. Are you now saying that a Liebour government would have spent LESS than the Conservatives since 2010? After everything that Steptoe, McDonnell et at were saying? Really? Did you write that with a straight face and without your fingers and toes crossed? So I’m best ignored now eh? Typical Left Wing reaction to something you don’t like and can’t counter. Stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and sing “La la la la la” Whooosh...as the point passes you by. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 6:48:04 GMT
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Post by peterparker on Sept 8, 2020 7:14:34 GMT
Definitely big challenges ahead. When the furlough scheme ends it will be interesting how the unemployment figures stack up. 20-25 on the chopping block where i work, extrapolate across the country So far, the Govt. Are trying to drive us into city centre to stimulate all parts of the economy, but they need to be coming up with a plan besides that |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 8:36:11 GMT
Definitely big challenges ahead. When the furlough scheme ends it will be interesting how the unemployment figures stack up. 20-25 on the chopping block where i work, extrapolate across the country So far, the Govt. Are trying to drive us into city centre to stimulate all parts of the economy, but they need to be coming up with a plan besides that But more strategically PP is the need to address the income distribution issue and subsequent disparity in living standards with all the impacts had on health and education outcomes. |
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Post by peterparker on Sept 8, 2020 21:52:25 GMT
Gatherings of more than 6 to be banned, minus exceptions.
Just remember your Brandon Lewis defenxe if you gey caught
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Post by baggins on Sept 10, 2020 5:36:11 GMT
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Post by oldgas on Sept 10, 2020 7:42:34 GMT
Definitely big challenges ahead. When the furlough scheme ends it will be interesting how the unemployment figures stack up. 20-25 on the chopping block where i work, extrapolate across the country So far, the Govt. Are trying to drive us into city centre to stimulate all parts of the economy, but they need to be coming up with a plan besides that But more strategically PP is the need to address the income distribution issue and subsequent disparity in living standards with all the impacts had on health and education outcomes. You do realise that all this is from a Guardian story? They might as well re-name themselves Jackanory. And the Leftwaffe laugh at the Telegraph! |
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Post by oldgas on Sept 10, 2020 7:46:53 GMT
Definitely big challenges ahead. When the furlough scheme ends it will be interesting how the unemployment figures stack up. 20-25 on the chopping block where i work, extrapolate across the country So far, the Govt. Are trying to drive us into city centre to stimulate all parts of the economy, but they need to be coming up with a plan besides that Yes, but only during the working day apparently. If you go with the same 7 people from the office to the same city centre pub during the weekend these Covid Marshall’s will pounce, and if they deem it necessary Snitch you to the Police. You can imagine the kind of people who will do that job. The sort that pursue people into their office block for stubbing a fag out. Fun times ahead. |
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Post by stuartcampbell on Sept 10, 2020 21:56:03 GMT
Whilst we may have the highest number of deaths in total it's interesting looking at deaths per capita which I believe puts Belgium at the top and dear okd Nicola's Scotland 3rd and I tend to think that's by far a better indicator. As for the economy it's no surprise we have a Consumer demand led economy underpinned by borrowing whilst much of Europe has a more mixed model . I believe one of the reasons we have a high Covid rate is because we have a large population in a small area. We have a slightly larger pop than France, who have 3 times the land mass. We have a much bigger pop than Spain, again they have over twice as much land as us. Another factor is the size and density of our cities. Much bigger than European countries and so any infectious disease is able to spread more easily. They have had to lock down Leicester and northern cities recently because of further outbreaks, caused in the main by non-indigenous people living in great numbers in houses designed for far fewer people and working in sweat shop conditions for other apparently unscrupulous non-indigenous employers, with the full knowledge of non-indigenous local and national politicians. I believe that over 40 of our recently arrived uninvited guests have proved positive this weekend. But never mind, the bleeding heart Liberal Left will blame it all on the Conservative government. We have 1.14x the population density as Germany, and yet we have 4.42x the death toll. When will people stop and actually accept criticism towards this government? They're refusing to extend furlough, which is an awful decision. They blamed care homes, they claimed the NHS was prepared and yet it was anything other than the case. They contradict themselves when it comes to testing capacities, and so on. You bet the right couldn't believe their luck when the protests started; finally an excuse for the Conservatives' incompetency, but its hardly new: see any Conservative Prime Minister since 1963 as proof. And yet strange they've been silent once it was concluded that protests could not be linked to a rise in COVID rates. As for the uninvited guests issue; I might actually have an issue with it if we didn't spend hundreds of million refurnishing Buckingham Palace or the Garden Bridge, or the hundreds of billions we spend on defence. Also illegal immigration has been linked to GDP growth. |
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Post by stuartcampbell on Sept 10, 2020 22:17:52 GMT
Let me guess, Labour is at fault for the recession in 2008 but the Tories can’t be at fault to any of the current recession in the UK? An interesting debate, but if you really go into it the Conservatives' history of recessions is appalling: 1961: Tories put up the bank rates, causes a recession 1973-75: Largely caused by the 1973 Oil Crisis, an OPEC embargo placed onto countries who supported Israel in the Yom Kippur war. Edward Heath's Conservative Party supported Israel in the Yom Kippur war, this largely triggered a recession. 1979-80: I won't contend that Labour had issues in relation to trade unions, but they first emerged under the Conservatives when Edward Heath implemented the Three Day Week. Callaghan was put in a very difficult position, I believe he tried his best, to an extent. He placed caps on the wage rises of public sector workers but given it was impossible to place these caps onto those in the private sector, these people would get much higher wage rises, this angered public sector workers, obviously. Callaghan's decision not to call an election in Autumn 1978 is an all-time awful mistake; Labour were ahead in the polls and it was his arrogance not to call one which cost Labour long-term. When the Winter of Discontent happened, a motion of no confidence passed and thus Thatcher took over. The main issue was inflation was ridiculously high; it's a trade-off. Thatcher decided to cause unemployment to skyrocket by crashing the economy to reduce inflation. It's impossible to argue whether this was the right move, it's certainly debatable, but Thatcher had the same issues with trade unions and if it wasn't for her riding off of the Falklands and the fact Michael Foot was basically a Stalinist; she would have likely been voted out in 1983, but she didn't have to reduce inflation to the extent she did. Unemployment skyrocketed because Mrs. Thatcher essentially said "inflation will go down if no one has any money!" 1990: The Lawson boom mainly happened because of newly-discovered North Sea oil reserves, not anything to do with Thatcher's policies. She chose not to expand the LRAS of the economy using supply-side policies and chose instead...tax cuts. This gross incompetence meant that the economy had to come crashing back to its LRAS in the long-run, which caused the recession of 1990. It's why I have sympathy for John Major, certainly an awful Prime Minister but he was largely blamed for the issues solely created by Mrs Thatcher's policies. 2008-09: How anyone can solely blame this on Labour is anyone's guess. Thatcher enacted banking regulation which allowed banks to give out sub-prime mortgages, when the housing crisis happened this, and the GLOBAL RECESSION, largely caused the crisis. Labour's implementation of Quantitative Easing, which was deemed doomed to fail by, you guessed it, the Conservative Party. They blamed it all on Labour. Came into power, enacted austerity which has been a resounding failure, used party politics to get elected in 2015; resigned when it didn't go his way in 2016. Theresa May took over, 3 years of bore. Boris Johnson came over, threatened democracy, got a vote mainly through the awful Labour Brexit policy which was basically forced onto Corbyn, I could blame it on the fact that 88% of their claims during the election period were found to either be outright false or misleading, compared to Labour's resounding 0% (I believe, from what I read at the time), but I was a lot more complicated than that. The Labour Report does say it all in my opinion, anyway, we live with one of the most unpopular Prime Ministers in recent memory, and I truly believe anyone half-competent will take a huge dent at that Tory majority come 2024, maybe even a majority, who knows? Probably a tad optimistic. But the polls don't lie and the lead's been reduced significantly in the past few months, with Starmer being the most popular Labour leader since Blair, happy days. |
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Post by stuartcampbell on Sept 10, 2020 22:19:56 GMT
But more strategically PP is the need to address the income distribution issue and subsequent disparity in living standards with all the impacts had on health and education outcomes. You do realise that all this is from a Guardian story? They might as well re-name themselves Jackanory. And the Leftwaffe laugh at the Telegraph! Both the Guardian and the Telegraph have the exact same factual reporting rating. Both aren't the best sources. Could be worse though, could be the Daily Mail. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 18:48:23 GMT
I had to laugh with the video of Johnson in Parliament today.
It comes to something when Edd Milliband makes him look like an idiot.
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Post by baggins on Sept 15, 2020 8:19:48 GMT
So, it's official, we're going to break the law.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 15, 2020 9:12:09 GMT
So, it's official, we're going to break the law. I think its at amendments.the thinking is the bill is initially passed but more Tories are likely to vote on an amendment that says parliament must vote before we break the law. Still has to go the Lords as well, and I dont think they will make it easy |
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Post by francegas on Sept 15, 2020 9:51:50 GMT
So, it's official, we're going to break the law. Well it wouldn't be the first time a Government has broken the law. Look what Blair did . He should have faced a court for war crimes. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 10:29:21 GMT
So, it's official, we're going to break the law. Well it wouldn't be the first time a Government has broken the law. Look what Blair did . He should have faced a court for war crimes. But, but, but What about...... |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Sept 15, 2020 10:52:21 GMT
To think people actually voted for this idiot.
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 15, 2020 10:57:34 GMT
To think people actually voted for this idiot. However,don't you wish he wasn't there's no joy in this when you consider we have another 4 years I would rather they were competent and doing all the right things ,if not we pay the price. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 15, 2020 11:12:20 GMT
To think people actually voted for this idiot. I know but sadly the alternative was almost as unpalatable. I blame Ed Miliband. |
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