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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 12, 2021 15:06:20 GMT
Is someone making £25 profit on each one? I doubt that, but there surely aren't £20+ of costs being swallowed up Straight forward profit, no as there are other costs which mitigate that figure, just exaggerating for effect. Still a big margin I'd have thought. I wonder if this is an opportunity for one of the supermarkets to get involved. Staff costs already there and great PR. Who buys a named product when you can get 'own brand' so much cheaper? Makes you wonder if these are unwanted items check the use by date. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 12, 2021 15:17:17 GMT
Agree, a sickness in the UK to allow something like this to happen. UK food poverty in 2021, how utterly pathetic for a so called civilised country. The big question as always, do we blame it on 'human nature' to be selfish? Or the power structure where you can join the prawn sandwich club, but the greedy rich take all the money and the poor get nothing. One of the issues of outsourcing, the outsourcing company needs to make a profit but it moves responsibility away from those who would otherwise have to see the consequences of their actions. Ministers have someone to blame when it goes wrong. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 12, 2021 15:29:55 GMT
What’s the view of our Tory voting friends on this ? Bingo cards at the ready: “Dole scum/work hard/feckless parents/something for nothing/work hard/50 inch TVs/proud to be British/booze and fags/work hard” etc. Balls 😡! I had, “ they’re just refugee kids” on my card 🙁 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 15:33:39 GMT
Agree, a sickness in the UK to allow something like this to happen. UK food poverty in 2021, how utterly pathetic for a so called civilised country. The big question as always, do we blame it on 'human nature' to be selfish? Or the power structure where you can join the prawn sandwich club, but the greedy rich take all the money and the poor get nothing. One of the issues of outsourcing, the outsourcing company needs to make a profit but it moves responsibility away from those who would otherwise have to see the consequences of their actions. Ministers have someone to blame when it goes wrong. I dont think that is quite right Stuart. There will be a form of a "Service Level Agreement" in any outsourcing contract. Somebody, somewhere should be responsible for monitoring the performance of the contract. But this is a Tory Government. I suspect they may not have anyone at senior level capable of reading a contract and comprehend it |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 15:41:15 GMT
Agree, a sickness in the UK to allow something like this to happen. UK food poverty in 2021, how utterly pathetic for a so called civilised country. The big question as always, do we blame it on 'human nature' to be selfish? Or the power structure where you can join the prawn sandwich club, but the greedy rich take all the money and the poor get nothing. If you and your mates can make a ~90% profit margin why would you NOT want it to happen? Poverty pays, we can see it here quite clearly. And that’s the problem with voting Tory, you are voting for a cottage industry to be made out of keeping people poor. It is absolutely politics for the privileged at the expense of the rest. It boils my Wee wee but I expect nothing less from the British who would covet the steam off their Wee wee if they thought their neighbour could use it to heat their home. Lol I think neighbor envy goes for almost every human in some way, some make believe borders have no affect. But yeah the way Tories use it for political gain is abhorrent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 15:43:18 GMT
What’s the view of our Tory voting friends on this ? They pull their plonkers over this stuff |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 15:49:33 GMT
Bingo cards at the ready: “Dole scum/work hard/feckless parents/something for nothing/work hard/50 inch TVs/proud to be British/booze and fags/work hard” etc. Balls 😡! I had, “ they’re just refugee kids” on my card 🙁 Unlucky mate, Brexit Bingo national grid at 9 so maybe you’ll have better luck then? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 15:52:55 GMT
Agree, a sickness in the UK to allow something like this to happen. UK food poverty in 2021, how utterly pathetic for a so called civilised country. The big question as always, do we blame it on 'human nature' to be selfish? Or the power structure where you can join the prawn sandwich club, but the greedy rich take all the money and the poor get nothing. One of the issues of outsourcing, the outsourcing company needs to make a profit but it moves responsibility away from those who would otherwise have to see the consequences of their actions. Ministers have someone to blame when it goes wrong. Apparently the suppliers involved (Chartwells owned by Compass) have stated that this was not what they asked to be delivered, so they are now looking to pass the buck. It would add another hilarious layer if they are just some middleman pocketing the profit whilst getting another company to do the actual requisition. They could just be arse covering. Either way, the cost to the tax payer vs the value of what’s been delivered is a disgrace. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 15:56:24 GMT
Agree, a sickness in the UK to allow something like this to happen. UK food poverty in 2021, how utterly pathetic for a so called civilised country. The big question as always, do we blame it on 'human nature' to be selfish? Or the power structure where you can join the prawn sandwich club, but the greedy rich take all the money and the poor get nothing. One of the issues of outsourcing, the outsourcing company needs to make a profit but it moves responsibility away from those who would otherwise have to see the consequences of their actions. Ministers have someone to blame when it goes wrong. Outsourcing is part of the neoliberal economic machine. That's why we aren't surprised when it is constantly exposed as the sham it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 15:56:42 GMT
If you and your mates can make a ~90% profit margin why would you NOT want it to happen? Poverty pays, we can see it here quite clearly. And that’s the problem with voting Tory, you are voting for a cottage industry to be made out of keeping people poor. It is absolutely politics for the privileged at the expense of the rest. It boils my Wee wee but I expect nothing less from the British who would covet the steam off their Wee wee if they thought their neighbour could use it to heat their home. Lol I think neighbor envy goes for almost every human in some way, some make believe borders have no affect. But yeah the way Tories use it for political gain is abhorrent. To be specific I mean if the neighbour of the average Brit couldn’t heat his house because he had no money due to losing his job or whatever the average Brit would turn their own thermostat up a notch and bask in the heat whilst watching the neighbour freezer through their window. I do feel we’ve had capitalism on steroids in this country to the point where subconsciously people don’t want others *with much less* to have anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 15:59:10 GMT
One of the issues of outsourcing, the outsourcing company needs to make a profit but it moves responsibility away from those who would otherwise have to see the consequences of their actions. Ministers have someone to blame when it goes wrong. Outsourcing is part of the neoliberal economic machine. That's why we aren't surprised when it is constantly exposed as the sham it is. And also how the rich stay wealthy- they can use their networks and political connections to insert themselves in the middle of a transaction and charge a levy for effectively introducing the buyer to the service provider. Nice work if you can get it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 16:00:09 GMT
One of the issues of outsourcing, the outsourcing company needs to make a profit but it moves responsibility away from those who would otherwise have to see the consequences of their actions. Ministers have someone to blame when it goes wrong. Apparently the suppliers involved (Chartwells owned by Compass) have stated that this was not what they asked to be delivered, so they are now looking to pass the buck. It would add another hilarious layer if they are just some middleman pocketing the profit whilst getting another company to do the actual requisition. They could just be arse covering. Either way, the cost to the tax payer vs the value of what’s been delivered is a disgrace. Oil & gas industry struggling too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 16:01:23 GMT
Apparently the suppliers involved (Chartwells owned by Compass) have stated that this was not what they asked to be delivered, so they are now looking to pass the buck. It would add another hilarious layer if they are just some middleman pocketing the profit whilst getting another company to do the actual requisition. They could just be arse covering. Either way, the cost to the tax payer vs the value of what’s been delivered is a disgrace. Oil & gas industry struggling too. “Let them eat cake” |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 12, 2021 16:01:58 GMT
One of the issues of outsourcing, the outsourcing company needs to make a profit but it moves responsibility away from those who would otherwise have to see the consequences of their actions. Ministers have someone to blame when it goes wrong. I dont think that is quite right Stuart. There will be a form of a "Service Level Agreement" in any outsourcing contract. Somebody, somewhere should be responsible for monitoring the performance of the contract. But this is a Tory Government. I suspect they may not have anyone at senior level capable of reading a contract and comprehend it SLAs will be in place and there will be people responsible, but the chain of command is lengthened meaning no-one can really get hold of a problem and make it work until it gets back to the top. It dilutes the responsibility and both the swiftness and the ability to correct problems early on (I'm familiar with outsourcing companies so have seen the delays caused) until it becomes a bigger issue. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 13, 2021 0:43:50 GMT
Looks like things are moving, not sure this statement makes things much better but it's still an acknowledgement of sorts. "Chartwells apologised and said that the package the mother was sent was actually only worth £10.50. "We have had time to investigate the picture circulated on Twitter. For clarity this shows five days of free school lunches (not 10 days) and the charge for food, packing and distribution was actually £10.50 and not £30 as suggested. "However, in our efforts to provide thousands of food parcels a week at extremely short notice we are very sorry the quantity has fallen short in this instance," they said in a statement." news.sky.com/story/i-could-do-more-with-30-angry-mum-criticises-free-school-meals-hamper-12185627 |
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Post by peterparker on Jan 13, 2021 9:59:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 10:11:29 GMT
Piers Morgan, isn't he the benchmark liberal? Gets in to bed with the right if it benefits him, then bails out at the first sign of trouble. The only thing stopping him being the perfect liberal is that he is openly one. |
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Post by peterparker on Jan 13, 2021 10:51:58 GMT
Piers Morgan, isn't he the benchmark liberal? Gets in to bed with the right if it benefits him, then bails out at the first sign of trouble. The only thing stopping him being the perfect liberal is that he is openly one. Is it relevant though. I hate to say it as I am no fan of Morgan, but at least he is asking tough questions of ministers and pressing them. If Hancock, just says yes I regret it. Hancock MIGHT earn a crumb of respect from some. Piers isn't trying to trick him, but Government can't admit getting it wrong anywhere and Hancock just looks worse. Same with locking down the airports etc. Piers is at least trying to push the Government on why x,y,z is or isn't happening. Hancock, just completely dodged a question at the press briefing the other day, and like that it just moved on and it was basically ignored/forgotten he didn't answer it and the next journo instead of pressing has to ask their question rather than them working together to push whichever numpty is stood up on x day Whatever Piers' motives leanings, he is at least being a proper journalist in my view (currently) |
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Post by peterparker on Jan 13, 2021 13:06:13 GMT
So Johnson has stood up in PMQs and said Marcus Rashford is doing a better job than Starmer.
Not quite sure thats the witty quip he tinks it is
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 13, 2021 22:59:04 GMT
I'm probably in a minority here in actually being interested in the review itself, but the Defence Secretary told Parliament yesterday that the upcoming review would be published mid February.
Today, Boris said "I've got to hold your horses there - it won't be as soon as that... I'd say it is a little bit premature."
Left hand/right hand or arse/elbow?
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