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Post by baggins on Jan 14, 2021 8:47:26 GMT
I'm probably in a minority here in actually being interested in the review itself, but the Defence Secretary told Parliament yesterday that the upcoming review would be published mid February. Today, Boris said "I've got to hold your horses there - it won't be as soon as that... I'd say it is a little bit premature." Left hand/right hand or arse/elbow? You mean the lockdown review when it's reported on how we've now vaccinated all those at risk and might start relaxing some of the rules? The one promised for 15th February? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 14, 2021 9:16:31 GMT
I'm probably in a minority here in actually being interested in the review itself, but the Defence Secretary told Parliament yesterday that the upcoming review would be published mid February. Today, Boris said "I've got to hold your horses there - it won't be as soon as that... I'd say it is a little bit premature." Left hand/right hand or arse/elbow? You mean the lockdown review when it's reported on how we've now vaccinated all those at risk and might start relaxing some of the rules? The one promised for 15th February? No, sorry. I was referring to the Integrated Defence and Security Review. It's been delayed several times already but the PM contradicted the Defence Secretary within 24 hours. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 14, 2021 9:22:47 GMT
You mean the lockdown review when it's reported on how we've now vaccinated all those at risk and might start relaxing some of the rules? The one promised for 15th February? No, sorry. I was referring to the Integrated Defence and Security Review. It's been delayed several times already but the PM contradicted the Defence Secretary within 24 hours. The PM? Contradiction? Away with you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 10:03:07 GMT
Piers Morgan, isn't he the benchmark liberal? Gets in to bed with the right if it benefits him, then bails out at the first sign of trouble. The only thing stopping him being the perfect liberal is that he is openly one. Is it relevant though. I hate to say it as I am no fan of Morgan, but at least he is asking tough questions of ministers and pressing them. If Hancock, just says yes I regret it. Hancock MIGHT earn a crumb of respect from some. Piers isn't trying to trick him, but Government can't admit getting it wrong anywhere and Hancock just looks worse. Same with locking down the airports etc. Piers is at least trying to push the Government on why x,y,z is or isn't happening. Hancock, just completely dodged a question at the press briefing the other day, and like that it just moved on and it was basically ignored/forgotten he didn't answer it and the next journo instead of pressing has to ask their question rather than them working together to push whichever numpty is stood up on x day Whatever Piers' motives leanings, he is at least being a proper journalist in my view (currently) A sad state of affairs in the media. Did see that piers was holidaying in Antigua over Xmas. I prefer to judge people on what they do rather than what they say. Piers was buddies with trump, they are the same fame hungry animal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 15:19:32 GMT
Testing the patience of a saint.
Gov going to sack off free school meals again over holidays.
6 or 7 million years of evolution and here we are... Wallowing in our selfishness. In another 6 million more years humankind might develop a conscience.
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 14, 2021 15:37:05 GMT
Testing the patience of a saint. Gov going to sack off free school meals again over holidays. 6 or 7 million years of evolution and here we are... Wallowing in our selfishness. In another 6 million more years humankind might develop a conscience. We won't last another 100 if we carry on trashing the climate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 15:59:29 GMT
Testing the patience of a saint. Gov going to sack off free school meals again over holidays. 6 or 7 million years of evolution and here we are... Wallowing in our selfishness. In another 6 million more years humankind might develop a conscience. We won't last another 100 if we carry on trashing the climate. That's well down the pecking order of issues for the politicians that we have. Not going to win many votes is it! |
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 14, 2021 16:20:07 GMT
We won't last another 100 if we carry on trashing the climate. That's well down the pecking order of issues for the politicians that we have. Not going to win many votes is it! Something has to change post Covid otherwise worrying about who can catch fish in our "waters" will be a purely academic discussion. I get the sense a lot more folk have a greater awareness of climate impact and as usaul governments are playing catch up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 16:54:58 GMT
That's well down the pecking order of issues for the politicians that we have. Not going to win many votes is it! Something has to change post Covid otherwise worrying about who can catch fish in our "waters" will be a purely academic discussion. I get the sense a lot more folk have a greater awareness of climate impact and as usaul governments are playing catch up. Well let's hope our elected parasites, I mean politicians, pull their finger out as there isn't anyone else who's going to fix that. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 16, 2021 11:51:52 GMT
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 16, 2021 18:26:58 GMT
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jan 19, 2021 16:02:53 GMT
Contract given to Tory cronies without looking at any other competition also! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 19, 2021 22:16:32 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jan 19, 2021 23:15:28 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 20, 2021 7:59:15 GMT
There’s no depths they won’t stoop to ☹️ Before we all get to righteous about this ,was it policy/law in the EU not to do this?. If not this a moral not Brexit issue. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 20, 2021 8:57:05 GMT
There’s no depths they won’t stoop to ☹️ Before we all get to righteous about this ,was it policy/law in the EU not to do this?. If not this a moral not Brexit issue. Good morning Clive, hope all is well with you and yours. I didn't post this in the Brexit thread for the reason you mentioned. This is a moral issue and one that the Government could have taken the lead on. And while not on this forum, there are those who have drawn a moral comparison between what Raab has said publicly on Hong Kong and the treatment of Muslims in China and the recent trade relations between the EU and China. For what it's worth I do agree with the stance Raab has taken including the right to settle in the UK and had concerns when May was a little too keen to get Chinese money into Hinckley Point and technology into 5G. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 20, 2021 9:59:08 GMT
Before we all get to righteous about this ,was it policy/law in the EU not to do this?. If not this a moral not Brexit issue. Good morning Clive, hope all is well with you and yours. I didn't post this in the Brexit thread for the reason you mentioned. This is a moral issue and one that the Government could have taken the lead on. And while not on this forum, there are those who have drawn a moral comparison between what Raab has said publicly on Hong Kong and the treatment of Muslims in China and the recent trade relations between the EU and China. For what it's worth I do agree with the stance Raab has taken including the right to settle in the UK and had concerns when May was a little too keen to get Chinese money into Hinckley Point and technology into 5G. Good morning Stuart all good up here albeit very wet,hope you are all well. I agree with your post,the challenge for any government in dealing with any country including China is that you can't completely withdraw ,you have to engage to try to drive a change. My understanding of the Lords amendment was that it did not compel the government to not do a deal but compelled them to consider Genocide as a determining factor. I see nothing wrong with that however,the cynical part of me believes how big a factor that would be depends on who we were negotiating with and in respect of China we would not sign a trade deal due to their appalling treatment of all minorities not just the Wighurs. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 20, 2021 13:55:08 GMT
Good morning Clive, hope all is well with you and yours. I didn't post this in the Brexit thread for the reason you mentioned. This is a moral issue and one that the Government could have taken the lead on. And while not on this forum, there are those who have drawn a moral comparison between what Raab has said publicly on Hong Kong and the treatment of Muslims in China and the recent trade relations between the EU and China. For what it's worth I do agree with the stance Raab has taken including the right to settle in the UK and had concerns when May was a little too keen to get Chinese money into Hinckley Point and technology into 5G. Good morning Stuart all good up here albeit very wet,hope you are all well. I agree with your post,the challenge for any government in dealing with any country including China is that you can't completely withdraw ,you have to engage to try to drive a change. My understanding of the Lords amendment was that it did not compel the government to not do a deal but compelled them to consider Genocide as a determining factor. I see nothing wrong with that however,the cynical part of me believes how big a factor that would be depends on who we were negotiating with and in respect of China we would not sign a trade deal due to their appalling treatment of all minorities not just the Wighurs. Not too bad thanks, getting through it. This is the realm of realpolitik and generally speaking I agree that engaging is normally the better way. That said, China is now too big for us as the UK to have influence and we seem too keen on buying their products. Probably worthy of a thread in its own right, China will be the dominating power very soon. You only have to look at the growth in the size of their navy and their interests in raw materials especially in Africa. |
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