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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 14, 2020 11:05:05 GMT
Businesses are obliged to protect their IP. If they are shown to ignore breaches of their IP then that is effectively them saying they do not value it.
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Post by yaz on Aug 14, 2020 11:06:08 GMT
I find the £6 delivery extortionate; I have a 20L cylinder full of oil for my car engine delivered from Wolverhampton to London at cost price of £42 including delivery! How can Rovers justify a standard £6 charge for tiny items costing the same? I only buy genuine products from official sale points as this money can make a difference to the originator. I also commented on the VPN thread on iFollow with a hint to its illegality and thatI only use official iFollow and pay £10 per game. But I think Rovers should be making things easier for their fans in purchasing products eg. show the game in the club bar and people will come and watch and money will be recouped in bar and food takings. Social distancing can still be maintained. A booking system for the shop could also work if it is only applied for collection only and no shop sales? Brands should be protected; ideas should also be encouraged with all parties benefiting? Up The Generosity UTG all depends. quite often if you spend over £x many companies will offer free shipping because of margins and/or less work. I.e it's easier to do one order with 10 items on it, than 10 items with 1 item on it. for comparison, the company I work for charges £4 delivery for a mask That is fair enough but the point made is that I personally will not buy something for £6 if the delivery charge is an additional £6 unless I have no choice or it is for a good cause. I made this point when the snoods came out and even phoned the shop about it. I really wanted the snood but did not order one. To me, Rovers should protect their brand but they should not charge extortionate fees? I ordered the gas mask at same price but ordered 4 to make it cost effective. I should also have ordered a new shirt and got free chocolate without paying any more delivery but did not do so. The gas mask, so far, is good BUT only 3 came at a postal charge of £3.58 and there will be an additional postal charge to send the remaining one. So the club will not really make any money on delivery on this one and may lose out wrt administration costs? The point about delivery costs applies more so if I am buying on eBay, Amazon, etc. I refuse to pay what I see as extortionate charges? If Companies are mass delivering products to multiple clients, delivery companies will reduce their costs if you deal with them directly? Otherwise, many businesses on eBay etc. would not survive? In hindsight I wish I had ordered the snood to support The Community Trust! Maybe the £6 delivery cost is a fair one, I don’t know. But a collection service would be a good option for fans? This would still need administration so a 50p charge? It won’t help me personally as live more than 100 miles away! UTG
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 14, 2020 11:11:48 GMT
I think the individuals/brands mentioned have worked constructively with the club. The Terrace Store being another example - so these are the good examples.
I just wanted to make the point that these independents have been very creative and delivered attractive products. You'd hope this creativity would not be stifled.
Ripping off other people's graphics and copyright is not creative
I agree in part. To my knowledge, none of the entities mentioned infringed copyright. What we don't need is a return to the tat that was available via official outlets during previous years.
From occasional visits to other Club Shops, I'd still say that we can improve in this area.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Aug 14, 2020 11:17:17 GMT
Oh God - 300+ pages on copyright law from the specialists solicitors who are members of this forum to follow
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Post by axegas on Aug 14, 2020 11:17:32 GMT
It's not a surprise that a bunch of sellers have started selling Rovers face masks and snoods when to get them for the shop, you have to fork out as much for delivery as you do actually purchasing the product, it creates a "black market" demand. I've been on the online shop of other clubs in L1 and I've found not one that has P+P as expensive as £6.
Sure its all good making the clubs intellectual property is protected but in my experience these things pop up as soon as one is closed. The best thing the club could do to protect it's income is lower the delivery costs so that Gasheads feel less ripped off when the try to buy from the online shop.
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Post by spiess1 on Aug 14, 2020 11:20:27 GMT
Indeed MM. It is interesting that the specialists in one area are often specialists in all areas.
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Post by buktaboy on Aug 14, 2020 11:23:08 GMT
Interesting that the club statement mentions historical logos. Will the SC still get able to use the 'cartoon' pirate badge that appeared on shirts in the early 80s? Doubt they can trademark anything used earlier than that as it was just a BRFC initials or, going way back, included the city of Bristol arms. Perhaps time for a new badge too to reinforce the image rights!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 11:24:57 GMT
Indeed MM. It is interesting that the specialists in one area are often specialists in all areas. Nobody needs to be a lawyer to understand copying imagery and design then selling for personal profit is a breach. Not that hard is it?
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Post by yaz on Aug 14, 2020 11:30:25 GMT
Indeed MM. It is interesting that the specialists in one area are often specialists in all areas. The Special One? spiess1 is very close to SP1is? Are you the special one? 😂😂😂
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Post by yaz on Aug 14, 2020 11:37:49 GMT
I find the £6 delivery extortionate; I have a 20L cylinder full of oil for my car engine delivered from Wolverhampton to London at cost price of £42 including delivery! How can Rovers justify a standard £6 charge for tiny items costing the same? I only buy genuine products from official sale points as this money can make a difference to the originator. I also commented on the VPN thread on iFollow with a hint to its illegality and thatI only use official iFollow and pay £10 per game. But I think Rovers should be making things easier for their fans in purchasing products eg. show the game in the club bar and people will come and watch and money will be recouped in bar and food takings. Social distancing can still be maintained. A booking system for the shop could also work if it is only applied for collection only and no shop sales? Brands should be protected; ideas should also be encouraged with all parties benefiting? Up The Generosity UTG gaschat.co.uk/post/640690/thread
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 14, 2020 11:50:11 GMT
Oh God - 300+ pages on copyright law from the specialists solicitors who are members of this forum to follow Feel free to skip the thread if you are not interested.
It is allowed.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 14, 2020 12:02:33 GMT
Can fully understand where they're coming from, but can also appreciate those who want to provide something different. If the club takes this stance, they need to be a little quicker off the mark in coming up with ideas, and new products. The face masks were an example, and have probably been the factor leading to this statement. The club didn't have any, only snoods, so somebody produced some great looking masks. Marketing department needs to up their game. Regardless of their ability to produce product in a timely manner, they are absolutely right to protect their brand and copyright. People complain about the lack of professionalism and then complain when they act professionally. Jesus Christ Finally, you’ve come clean and signed one of your posts. Always knew you were a Rovers fan Mr Christ
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 14, 2020 12:16:50 GMT
all depends. quite often if you spend over £x many companies will offer free shipping because of margins and/or less work. I.e it's easier to do one order with 10 items on it, than 10 items with 1 item on it. for comparison, the company I work for charges £4 delivery for a mask That is fair enough but the point made is that I personally will not buy something for £6 if the delivery charge is an additional £6 unless I have no choice or it is for a good cause. I made this point when the snoods came out and even phoned the shop about it. I really wanted the snood but did not order one. To me, Rovers should protect their brand but they should not charge extortionate fees? I ordered the gas mask at same price but ordered 4 to make it cost effective. I should also have ordered a new shirt and got free chocolate without paying any more delivery but did not do so. The gas mask, so far, is good BUT only 3 came at a postal charge of £3.58 and there will be an additional postal charge to send the remaining one. So the club will not really make any money on delivery on this one and may lose out wrt administration costs? The point about delivery costs applies more so if I am buying on eBay, Amazon, etc. I refuse to pay what I see as extortionate charges? If Companies are mass delivering products to multiple clients, delivery companies will reduce their costs if you deal with them directly? Otherwise, many businesses on eBay etc. would not survive? In hindsight I wish I had ordered the snood to support The Community Trust! Maybe the £6 delivery cost is a fair one, I don’t know. But a collection service would be a good option for fans? This would still need administration so a 50p charge? It won’t help me personally as live more than 100 miles away! UTG Black masks w/o any logos are under £2 inc p & p on eBay, how can the club justify charging £12, when the only difference is a small Rovers logo? Perhaps the club needs to look into why fans are turning to alternative sellers rather than trying to stop them, I assume trying to stop them will cost more in solicitors costs than it saves anyway. I can't imagine there's that bigger a market for Gas face masks?
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 14, 2020 12:22:06 GMT
Regardless of their ability to produce product in a timely manner, they are absolutely right to protect their brand and copyright. People complain about the lack of professionalism and then complain when they act professionally. Jesus Christ Finally, you’ve come clean and signed one of your posts. Always knew you were a Rovers fan Mr Christ He's not, he's just a very naughty boy.
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Post by brads213 on Aug 14, 2020 12:34:10 GMT
The club needs a broader range of products at lower prices then
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 14, 2020 12:34:19 GMT
The club have done the right thing by doing this , but the marketing department needs a swift kick up the backside as they were clearly not savvy enough to exploit the gap in the market ( in regards to masks ) and others were. I have purchased two from an alternative source and they are excellently put together at a very competitive price, in fact I recently purchased another one.
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Post by lavalamp on Aug 14, 2020 12:35:38 GMT
Regarding the club shop being closed - How many Division 1 club shops are actually open?
I know that both Swindon and Sunderland club shops are both still currently closed. Regarding postage and packaging - How much would it anyone to travel to the club shop (in terms of time, petrol and car depreciation)?
£6 isn't a vast amount and we are hardly on the same scale as Manchester United in terms of merchandise sales or the same as a high street retailer appealing to the general public.
People moan that the club is losing too much money. However, to bring staff back from furlough (before the scheme ends on October) would cost the club money and also increase costs due to lighting, electricity, heating etc.
Would someone buying a £6 facemask in person (to save their £6 postage) offset these increased costs?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 12:35:51 GMT
Regardless of their ability to produce product in a timely manner, they are absolutely right to protect their brand and copyright. People complain about the lack of professionalism and then complain when they act professionally. Jesus Christ Finally, you’ve come clean and signed one of your posts. Always knew you were a Rovers fan Mr Christ Mohammed actually Cue chaos
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 12:36:25 GMT
Finally, you’ve come clean and signed one of your posts. Always knew you were a Rovers fan Mr Christ He's not, he's just a very naughty boy. So true...or it was
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Post by yaz on Aug 14, 2020 12:49:54 GMT
Regarding the club shop being closed - How many Division 1 club shops are actually open? I know that both Swindon and Sunderland club shops are both still currently closed. Regarding postage and packaging - How much would it anyone to travel to the club shop (in terms of time, petrol and car depreciation)? £6 isn't a vast amount and we are hardly on the same scale as Manchester United in terms of merchandise sales or the same as a high street retailer appealing to the general public. People moan that the club is losing too much money. However, to bring staff back from furlough (before the scheme ends on October) would cost the club money and also increase costs due to lighting, electricity, heating etc. Would someone buying a £6 facemask in person (to save their £6 postage) offset these increased costs? I think there are people working in the shop but it is not open to the general public! They are putting the deliveries together plus answering other queries like season tickets, streams, etc. My delivery of masks strongly indicates this because of the handwriting on the invoice inside the envelope. If one is given the choice to collect from the shop or similar, just like one collects match tickets on match days through a window, then it is up to the punter to choose? As I have said before on another thread, the £6 could be used to get a couple of pints, etc. on the way back from a collection? A good walk could also benefit? There are also quite a few supporters who live in close proximity to the club. Sales of shirts, etc. have been good to date so people are still buying items? Enough said. UTG
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