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Post by toddy1953 on Sept 20, 2020 12:22:25 GMT
I’m not an anti or pro BG, I want every manager of Bristol Rovers to have success, as that’s what makes me happy with football. By no stretch of the imagination were the tactics at Sunderland last week or Ipswich yesterday, to go out and win the game. However, if you are going to set up not to lose then the team needs to show the strength and attitude that they showed last season at Plymouth in the cup, not the weak pathetic excuse for defending on show yesterday. In my view to set up to not lose a home game against ANY team in this division, which is what I think the tactics were yesterday, is naive and defeatist . We were poor all over the pitch, yet they still had to rely on a terrible headed own goal by our captain. IMO Ipswich were not that great yesterday. I am sick and fed up of hearing what a lovely style of football we will be playing, So far it’s resulted is very few attempts on goal, weak woeful defending and (bar the Sunderland game in March) a slow laborious attempt at hoofball. I’m hoping BG can turn this around soon, but unfortunately I think we have more chance of getting a positive stadium announcement 😩
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 12:38:41 GMT
Didn't even read the post. Anyone backing Garner with 2 wins in over 20 games and utterly toothless football needs to give their head a wobble. Wake up By December 21st we might be in a situation where we have only 2 league wins in a calendar year. And yet the apologists will still be claiming he just needs more time, more players, more luck and that the last year doesn’t count, or was just a bad dream, or something equally as ridiculous when the actual facts state quite clearly that the man just isn’t a manager.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 12:42:35 GMT
Its deeply frustrating but this new team cannot be judged against probably the two top sides in the division. Take ten games, against teams that we consider we should beat on average, then judge. The problem is the future. Coughlan ball would ultimately got us nowhere and the team was patently not good enough to challenge for promotion. So we wait and see, and hope. Where do people get the idea the team was not good enough to get promoted? Are they time travelers? All I saw was a team very rarely losing when they played. Yes they were wins by the odd goal and wasn't pretty. But wasn't the 1989 team in the same mould that got us out of this division? We feared no one that year and were unbeatable. We played the team mot the shirt. Unfortunately the manager and some now seem to give up the challenge before a ball is kicked which is quite sad really Bet Fleetwood dont look at defeats when playing sunderland. That's how far we have fallen with expectations when they feel they can achieve more then us Where were these doom mongers and nay-sayers when we beat Ipswich? I don’t recall anyone confidently puffing their chest out at 5:00pm on 21/12/2019 saying “it’s alright lads we weren’t going to get promoted anyway!” probably because it’s yet another Gaschat fact that were never going to be promoted under GC.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 20, 2020 13:10:46 GMT
I personally don’t see us as good enough yet to beat the likes of Sunderland or Ipswich who have a vastly more experienced and higher paid, valued team - remember a lot of their players are ex championship and prem players and they have a higher budget etc than us. I think we are a mid table side at present. I watch because I enjoy football and support my team .... and currently the manager We were good enough to beat them last season. Don't you see a problem with that? This is losers talk. Pure and simple. Bumble along the bottom of the league till we go down Rovers. Then do it again in the league below and maybe bounce back once every ten years. “G-G-GDL . . . G-G-GDL . . . G-G-GDL!” #GarnerDefenceLeague #TenIsTheMagicNumber #TenMoreGames #AndThenTenMore #GarnerForever #AndEver #OurBen
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Post by yetigas on Sept 20, 2020 13:23:13 GMT
GC got many of his results because of the performances of Jaakkola in goal. Can't remember the exact date AJ got injured but I suspect it was a bigger factor in the change of results than the change of manager. This season we have half a new team, a young team, who are gelling - those who expected to see the finished article after 4 games are unrealistic. I would expect this season to be ups and downs - some good performances and some poor ones. Last week we had a good result. Yesterday we restricted Ipswich to almost nothing for 80 minutes whilst not playing particularly well. I guess we will finish lower-upper middle depending on injuries. Yesterday we missed a cutting edge for sure - but we were missing Rodman and Nicholson to play out wide. Sad that our fans are so impatient. UTG
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Post by baggins on Sept 20, 2020 13:27:34 GMT
Squad or Manager? But what a difference....
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Post by richhertford on Sept 20, 2020 13:36:31 GMT
If anyone was on the bus this year they would be very unhappy passengers. This start just isn’t good enough. I’m am one of the most upbeat, confident and positive posters but there is little to get excited about. Managers need to win football games to give them time to implement their philosophy. Now is the time to start winning games. Less talking and more action. Not hopeful but fingers crossed. Over to you Ben.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 20, 2020 13:36:57 GMT
Another fortune teller who knew what was going to happen. Again they were not losing games.is that part difficult to understand?
Only black and white fact is once garner had his first team talk the thing fell apart and has been since then. Future ?who knows but to say we wouldn't have stayed in the top six is complete rubbish without proof.
Keeper from Chelsea was what saved us from heavy defeats last season under garner so no the keeper was not missed as much.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2020 14:06:20 GMT
Completely disagree with the op. BG has had more than 2 league games. BG record of 2 is the amount of wins since December. Did we really compete v Ipswich yesterday? Jaak made two brilliant saves (free kick and a shot through crowd of players) plus numerous interjections and Alfie stood up to Sears when it was 1 on 1 in second half. Ipswich yesterday tested our keeper, we hardly tested theirs. Sunderland second half was an avalanche of attack on us. If we've played two tough matches and you give credit for that, reciprocally I presume you give the same debit v AFC Wimbledon, Mk Dons, Stevenage (bottom of whole league last season) and Walsall? How about we use those knives to metaphorically cut something else than slack? His ties with us. Do you work in the media? The “2 wins since December“ whilst factually correct ignores the fact there were about six months without a game. Doesn’t change the fact his record is awful and he gives us little confidence going forward but deliberate phrasing in this way isn’t particularly helpful. It’s a bit like when the media jump on Harry Kane every August - he’ll open a season without a goal in the first couple of games and they’ll say it’s now three months since he last scored !!! Is that is all you have, Eric? It isn't particularly helpful how the factually correct post is phrased..? Helpful to whom, or what? Advice: Take the rose tinted splinter out your eye and see things for what they are, just question just for once where we are heading in BG direction. Please.
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Post by CrispPusher on Sept 20, 2020 14:24:30 GMT
Garner will be gone soon enough, pointless getting all worked up about it. The disingenuous crap he was spouting in yesterday's post match interview was exactly the kind of gobbledegook you'd expect to hear from any blagger whose hubris has deluded themselves into thinking they're good enough for a position they're patently unequipped for.
I'm sure Wael probably feels a bit foolish falling for it all but he won't/can't let it go on for too much longer, after watching Ipswich repeatedly cut through the middle of the side playing even the most simple of balls.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2020 14:45:11 GMT
I'm sure Wael probably feels a bit foolish falling for it all but he won't/can't let it go on for too much longer, after watching Ipswich repeatedly cut through the middle of the side playing even the most simple of balls. Totally agree with first paragraph. Can't wholeheartedly agree with this though. I'm afraid Wael as nice or lovely as he is, doesn't appear to be proactive changing quickly when things go wrong. In my humble opinion..
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Post by singupgas on Sept 20, 2020 15:46:45 GMT
I think Wael will have to bite the bullet if BG fortune do not change sooner rather than later. I did say I would give him 10 games, but after 2 really really defensive performances, if BG can't show that the team are willing to be braver against the lesser clubs in next few games then he will have to go imo.
To think people were moaning about GCs football.
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 20, 2020 15:50:34 GMT
Its deeply frustrating but this new team cannot be judged against probably the two top sides in the division. Take ten games, against teams that we consider we should beat on average, then judge. The problem is the future. Coughlan ball would ultimately got us nowhere and the team was patently not good enough to challenge for promotion. So we wait and see, and hope. No, just 3rd. Our highest position for 20 years
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 20, 2020 15:54:44 GMT
There always seem to be an excuse as to why now is not the time to judge BG. It's gone from 'he's only just taken over', 'family emergency' and 'it's not his squad', to 'players need time to gel', 'it's only 2 games' and 'tough opposition'. For me he has a maximum of 5 more games. Doncaster (A) Lose Northampton (H) Draw Oxford (A) - Cup Lose Lincoln (A) Lose Burton (H) Lose
At that point we'll be 9 competitive games into the new season and if we haven't seen a significant improvement in performances and picked up at least 6 more points I think Wael will have little choice but to act. There fixed it for you
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 20, 2020 16:04:49 GMT
After 2 league games we were not expected to win against 2 teams who we are likely to be title contenders but coming away with a well earned point from one, a cup game we never do well in and again not expected to win and an unlucky point with a much changed side; everyone seems to be calling for Garner to go. I must be watching different games to everyone else as I've watched every game so far and our performances have been no where near as bad as being made out in my eyes. Yes we faded in the last 20 against ipswich yesterday but leading up to it we were more than competing and there was a particularly good passing play before the goal with nice 1 or 2 touch passing from back through midfield to front and you could clearly see what style were looking to play and it looked good. We are a young team mainly and they will take time to mature and grow together but we have good players and the team will come good - we just need a bit of time and patience! If Hanlon could of taken advantage of his early chance in the first half it could have been very different! People go own about last season but we were very very lucky to be in the position we were in when GC left and there is no way we would have sustained it.... we were playing turgid but effective defence first football and sneaking wins when on the balance of play we should have lost. I don't remember watching any games under GC where I thought we dominated and outplayed the opposition. GC leaves and BG comes in - yes he naively tried to change the style without the players which didn't work and it was our final game against Sunderland where it came together and I personally think if the season continued we would have seen much improved performances and more wins. I don't know about others but you try performing in your job when you have a severely sick loved one that is constantly on your mind and maintain focus etc. This what BG tried to do and this is because he didn't want us to not have a manager. No wonder we struggled! The players clearly rate him and his methods, his ethos is one that most people seem to be behind, he talks about lot of sense and yes so far this season we haven't got the results (except against Sunderland where we got a point that we would not normally expect to get) but I don't think we were ever expecting to get the results! How about we cut him some slack and give him a realistic amount of time - if the results aren't there after that (and I mean by end Nov) then I will be with you but to be calling for change now is I think premature. It "came together" because it was Craigs 500th appearance, and they played Coughlins 5-4 -1. Regardless of what Garner said thats what they did. Shame Coughlin didn't stay, but he was told there was no money for signings. Garner has dismantled that side, why? Because they could see through him. He got his own team in because they will do what he wants, probably without question
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Post by heartofgas on Sept 20, 2020 16:18:30 GMT
I don’t think it’s an irrational hatred of Garner. I’m sure he is doing his best, as I’m sure the players are. I’m sure all of us want the best for rovers and For many that is getting rid of Garner. He seems out of his depth with the job. You need a manager who inspires you to be willing to die for the cause. Clarke and Coughlin did this. Garner doesn’t. He’s a coach not a manager.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 16:18:56 GMT
Its deeply frustrating but this new team cannot be judged against probably the two top sides in the division. Take ten games, against teams that we consider we should beat on average, then judge. The problem is the future. Coughlan ball would ultimately got us nowhere and the team was patently not good enough to challenge for promotion. So we wait and see, and hope. No, just 3rd. Our highest position for 20 years Nothing counts in December of any season
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 20, 2020 16:23:49 GMT
Nothing ever counts in the world of garner.
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 20, 2020 16:46:20 GMT
No, just 3rd. Our highest position for 20 years Nothing counts in December of any season 10 points less at December and Garner would have taken us to Div 2
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Post by RD on Sept 20, 2020 16:52:01 GMT
I think Garner has another 7 or 8 games - max.
There's no way we'll win enough by then and - at that point - I think Wael will pull the trigger.
This is his money he's putting in - he'll at least want some points in return eventually.
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