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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 21, 2020 5:22:45 GMT
After 2 league games we were not expected to win against 2 teams who we are likely to be title contenders but coming away with a well earned point from one, a cup game we never do well in and again not expected to win and an unlucky point with a much changed side; everyone seems to be calling for Garner to go. I must be watching different games to everyone else as I've watched every game so far and our performances have been no where near as bad as being made out in my eyes. Yes we faded in the last 20 against ipswich yesterday but leading up to it we were more than competing and there was a particularly good passing play before the goal with nice 1 or 2 touch passing from back through midfield to front and you could clearly see what style were looking to play and it looked good. We are a young team mainly and they will take time to mature and grow together but we have good players and the team will come good - we just need a bit of time and patience! If Hanlon could of taken advantage of his early chance in the first half it could have been very different! People go own about last season but we were very very lucky to be in the position we were in when GC left and there is no way we would have sustained it.... we were playing turgid but effective defence first football and sneaking wins when on the balance of play we should have lost. I don't remember watching any games under GC where I thought we dominated and outplayed the opposition. GC leaves and BG comes in - yes he naively tried to change the style without the players which didn't work and it was our final game against Sunderland where it came together and I personally think if the season continued we would have seen much improved performances and more wins. I don't know about others but you try performing in your job when you have a severely sick loved one that is constantly on your mind and maintain focus etc. This what BG tried to do and this is because he didn't want us to not have a manager. No wonder we struggled! The players clearly rate him and his methods, his ethos is one that most people seem to be behind, he talks about lot of sense and yes so far this season we haven't got the results (except against Sunderland where we got a point that we would not normally expect to get) but I don't think we were ever expecting to get the results! How about we cut him some slack and give him a realistic amount of time - if the results aren't there after that (and I mean by end Nov) then I will be with you but to be calling for change now is I think premature. Blind optimism, you've got to love it! First of all it's not only about results, it's the manner of the performances. We are supposed to be a possession based sexy football team but in reality we have our backs to the wall nearly every game. Our Shots on target stats since BG came in would put us BOTTOM on BOTH shots on target for us and shots on target against us for last season. BG is very lucky he has the best keeper in the league in Jaakkola and some off the line individual scrambles both this week and last. The bit about GC is really annoying me. People might not have fully taken to the bloke (me included at times). However he got us some bloody good results and to simply pass it off as luck is outrageously disrespectful. I would love to know where people got these crystal balls to know that we were due to go on a terrible run under GC. I've seen this opinion from quite a few now and quite frankly think it's bullshit. Let's not forget that GC did not only have us 4th in the league last season but also had us in promotion form since his taking over during the 18/19 season. So that "luck" continued for a year. Maybe there is such a thing as luck of the Irish lol! đ I don't think it's premature now at all. I think we are being patient. I believe our standards and expectations are so low at Rovers that too many of us are showing him too much loyalty. Anyway, he could start by showing us some loyalty by talking some sense in his interviews for one. That would be a start. Anyway, I can't see him going yet. We'll prob be sat here in Nov cursing the board for waiting that long to get rid of him and now having to fight ourselves out of relegation again. Except this time will we be so lucky? Open your eyes - We are going down with a thump with BG in charge.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 21, 2020 6:21:56 GMT
I said he has 10 games of this season to prove heâs moving forward and I expected 4 wins 3 draws from those 10 as a minimum looking at the fixtures we had.
So far itâs DL with no goals from open play, not even looking like we can score in open play, no fight, no flowing football, not succeeding in playing the high press game, no tactical switch mid game to try and create something and being completely over ran in 1 half of both games.
It really doesnât look good. If we had lost 2-1 and drawn 1-1 with our goals coming from open play and going down with a fight I wouldnât mind but itâs the polar opposite.
In any case, if we want to get promoted, we should be looking to beat Ipswich from the off, especially at home.
Just one more thing. WTH does Upson bring to this squad? His pontificating and being 1 step behind the play in midfield constantly is the reason he picks up so many cards, gives away so much possession and should have been sent off on Saturday.
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Post by socrates on Sept 21, 2020 6:46:24 GMT
I said he has 10 games of this season to prove heâs moving forward and I expected 4 wins 3 draws from those 10 as a minimum looking at the fixtures we had. So far itâs DL with no goals from open play, not even looking like we can score in open play, no fight, no flowing football, not succeeding in playing the high press game, no tactical switch mid game to try and create something and being completely over ran in 1 half of both games. It really doesnât look good. If we had lost 2-1 and drawn 1-1 with our goals coming from open play and going down with a fight I wouldnât mind but itâs the polar opposite. In any case, if we want to get promoted, we should be looking to beat Ipswich from the off, especially at home. Just one more thing. WTH does Upson bring to this squad? His pontificating and being 1 step behind the play in midfield constantly is the reason he picks up so many cards, gives away so much possession and should have been sent off on Saturday. Very lucky not to see red. Upson is an ok player but he needs players around him that compliment his game or he looks poor. Westbrooke Grant and Upson all slow and from what Iâve seen so far none are physically tough players.
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Post by RD on Sept 21, 2020 7:10:23 GMT
As predicted we look completely powderpuff.
Lightweight, ineffectual, toothless - and guided by the most inept manager in the history of the sport.
One for the stattos - what is the lowest ever point haul for League One? And whilst you're at it, lowest goals scored also?
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Post by rusho'gas on Sept 21, 2020 7:36:37 GMT
Believe it was Doncaster Rovers 1997-1998, might be wrong though.
Doncaster Rovers 46 W4 D8 L34 f30 a113 P20 - 83 g/d (not including cup games 0 - 8 against Forest)
We surely can't be that bad..........
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 21, 2020 7:57:56 GMT
As predicted we look completely powderpuff. Lightweight, ineffectual, toothless - and guided by the most inept manager in the history of the sport. One for the stattos - what is the lowest ever point haul for League One? And whilst you're at it, lowest goals scored also? 19 for Southend last season must go close. They only won 4 games, and one of them was against Ben Garner's Bristol Rovers 3-1!!!
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Post by rovers69 on Sept 21, 2020 8:06:46 GMT
As expected total meltdown re BG. Forget last season as it was pre season this year he brought in most of the new players. Two games in against two good sides and in context over the season it would be ok but they came together and gave the negatives the ammunition they are craving for to slag off the manager and the players.
18 months time people will be asking BG to stay after he has created a team that people can be proud off but until then let the negatives enjoy their day andd condemnation of Bristol Rovers
So Sad
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 21, 2020 8:26:26 GMT
Like that thought. We can now forget the bad results. Only the good ones matter.
Ben is now are most successful manager ever with a 100per cent win ratio. Buckle is 2nd
Another excuse to put on the board.keep them expectations dropping
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Sept 21, 2020 8:54:48 GMT
End of October is judgement time, for me.
By that time BG will have had enough training time, enough games and enough winnable games for us to have a good idea of which way this is going under Garner.
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 21, 2020 9:05:08 GMT
Garner needs to win 14 of our next 16 league games to have a win percentage of 44%, the same as Graham Coughlan. He is 2 defeats behind Coughlan's loses for Rovers in 36 less games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 9:30:41 GMT
Garner needs to win 14 of our next 16 league games to have a win percentage of 44%, the same as Graham Coughlan. He is 2 defeats behind Coughlan's loses for Rovers in 36 less games. Is that what evolution not revolution means?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 21, 2020 9:32:57 GMT
Garner needs to win 14 of our next 16 league games to have a win percentage of 44%, the same as Graham Coughlan. He is 2 defeats behind Coughlan's loses for Rovers in 36 less games. Is that what evolution not revolution means? I think since December, what we've all witnessed is: devolution.
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 21, 2020 9:33:47 GMT
Garner needs to win 14 of our next 16 league games to have a win percentage of 44%, the same as Graham Coughlan. He is 2 defeats behind Coughlan's loses for Rovers in 36 less games. Is that what evolution not revolution means? So what you're saying is we need to evolve not revolve?
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Post by androyd on Sept 21, 2020 9:39:23 GMT
Hysteria on a grand scale. This is now BGs squad. With a few more additions to key roles it will have balance, competition and talent in each position. BG is taking the flak because the club's ownership is taking a progressive different direction. In real terms it's 2 games into this new approach. The previous approach of several decades brought what - season after season in the lower tier and one season in the conference. If this nostalgia would yield a return to a golden era I might buy the argument. But as a fan in my late 50s I have never seen this save a brief spell in the old Div 2. By all means if there is no up turn in results 7/8 games from now there will be cause for concern but for god's sake 3 competitive matches against probable promotion sides is no time for judgement.
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Post by RD on Sept 21, 2020 10:01:00 GMT
Hysteria on a grand scale. This is now BGs squad. With a few more additions to key roles it will have balance, competition and talent in each position. BG is taking the flak because the club's ownership is taking a progressive different direction. In real terms it's 2 games into this new approach. The previous approach of several decades brought what - season after season in the lower tier and one season in the conference. If this nostalgia would yield a return to a golden era I might buy the argument. But as a fan in my late 50s I have never seen this save a brief spell in the old Div 2. By all means if there is no up turn in results 7/8 games from now there will be cause for concern but for god's sake 3 competitive matches against probable promotion sides is no time for judgement. Over 20 games, many of which were with a squad 4th placed in the league on the crest of a wave. Utter, utter delusion.
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Post by cockergas on Sept 21, 2020 10:03:21 GMT
Hysteria on a grand scale. This is now BGs squad. With a few more additions to key roles it will have balance, competition and talent in each position. BG is taking the flak because the club's ownership is taking a progressive different direction. In real terms it's 2 games into this new approach. The previous approach of several decades brought what - season after season in the lower tier and one season in the conference. If this nostalgia would yield a return to a golden era I might buy the argument. But as a fan in my late 50s I have never seen this save a brief spell in the old Div 2. By all means if there is no up turn in results 7/8 games from now there will be cause for concern but for god's sake 3 competitive matches against probable promotion sides is no time for judgement. How dare you post something so sensible on here? Are you Ben Garner? Maybe a member of the Ben garners supporters club? A rose tinter? Have you head in the sand? Or maybe simply someone with common sense?
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 21, 2020 10:11:59 GMT
Said it before.lots of rovers fans enjoy being at bottom of the pile. Love the rag bag image. Hate people standing in their spot. They Love it in div 2 because it's the look how big a club we are here.
Then its
if we were in the championship look at our crowds. If we get to Wembley If we had a new ground If we held onto the best players
Always if never can with some. Probably why garner is the messiah because he can take the club back there to the promised land.
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Post by Icegas on Sept 21, 2020 11:45:49 GMT
This is not too early to question his job.The Guy has been a complete failure since he took over.2 wins in 24/25 games and taking us from 4th in the league to where we are now, not being able to win a game can not be ignored.But it's not just the results it's the style of play and as people have pointed out we are not improving and where's this sexy football?
Stats are stats and maths doesn't lie.Fact is he has been awlful for us and will go down as one of worst ever managers.
His interviews are dull, passionless and full of quotes from the modern day coaching playbook..I can't connect with him, people couldnt connect with GC but he had passion and his record was outstanding here.
With BG I look at him in his interviews as your old dog that you dont want to put down but you know it's for the best as the old dog is never going to get better.Ben is never going to get better you can feel it and he is currently stealing a living.
I would give him 5 more games and then that's it.As that will be enough time for him to have had his chance and then for us to get someone else in to keep us up.
Leave it too late and we are back in L2. And make no mistake if BG continues like his career has been this far here then we will finish rock bottom of L1.
Knowing our luck we will go into a 2nd lockdown and BG will still have his job in a year's time due to no football again.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 21, 2020 11:55:35 GMT
End of October is judgement time, for me. By that time BG will have had enough training time, enough games and enough winnable games for us to have a good idea of which way this is going under Garner. Thatâs about where I am. Without wanting to drag up old stuff (but I will) we sleepwalked our way to relegation in â14. Most of us could see where it would lead if we continued to have no scorers and the board said âit wasnât an option.â Iâm afraid it was and we did. There were plenty of positives that season, a good defence compared to the league, we were nowhere near the worst defence. We had goals from midfield and we had two players, Smith and OâToole who made the divisional team of the year. Once JJOT imploded and Smith and Lee B got injured we were stuffed. If we continue to lose and perform badly then it would seem again that we are sleepwalking towards the inevitability of relegation. I canât believe Wael did what he did this summer for that. Now, something about the way we set up, our formation is not working. I hope it is dealt with at the appropriate level so that we donât leave it too late to recover if the need arises. The end of October seems a fair time to re-assess. UTG! ps. We always do badly against Doncaster but Iâm hopeful, as ever, that Saturday may give us a first win, which could change things. Itâs all about getting some wins.
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Post by Icegas on Sept 21, 2020 11:56:45 GMT
Hysteria on a grand scale. This is now BGs squad. With a few more additions to key roles it will have balance, competition and talent in each position. BG is taking the flak because the club's ownership is taking a progressive different direction. In real terms it's 2 games into this new approach. The previous approach of several decades brought what - season after season in the lower tier and one season in the conference. If this nostalgia would yield a return to a golden era I might buy the argument. But as a fan in my late 50s I have never seen this save a brief spell in the old Div 2. By all means if there is no up turn in results 7/8 games from now there will be cause for concern but for god's sake 3 competitive matches against probable promotion sides is no time for judgement. Over 20 games, many of which were with a squad 4th placed in the league on the crest of a wave. Utter, utter delusion. "Progressive different direction. In real terms it's 2 games into this new approach. " How is that? We have played 4 senior games.Two League and Two in cup games. I'm real terms BG has been here for 20 plus games and has only won 2 of them.. I'm all for the progressive different direction and new approach from top to bottom from our owners but the question is correct to ask if BG is the right man for this job given his record.
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