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Post by wertongas on Sept 21, 2020 13:06:46 GMT
When we were loosing 2-0 to Southend at half time before Christmas last year all the GC haters were moaning and wanting him out, we came back to win 4-2 in one of the best second half performances i had seen for ages, we then went on to beet Ipswich. I said at the time you should be careful what you wish for GC then left and i bet those who wanted him out arn't so happy now as they were after the wins against Ipswich and Southend. BG record is dreadful but he has his own team now, the first three game of the season are tough but the next three are all games we should pick up points from if we fail to get any wins after those games then BG has proved that he is not up to it, his team will have had time to gel and he would have over half a season managing the club, fairs fair and i think by then he would have had enough time to prove himself. The club has to come first.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 13:15:31 GMT
At one point he (BG) exclaimed to his team from the touchline to “take the **** handbrake off” Deary me.. That’s no way to talk about Upson
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 13:17:43 GMT
If BG was working in any other industry, he'd have been sacked ages ago. He’s like a porn star who can’t get it up, but he keeps on going! I’ve heard of managers phoning it in but never one thumbing it in
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 13:22:41 GMT
TWO games in to the season ........................................ Anyone want to predict where Sunderland and Ipswich will finish this season ? Get behind the team and the boss - long way to go. Signings are good. Young players emerging too. I couldn't give a monkeys about Sunderland and Ipswich. I know more about my team and that we are sh1t under BG. Lowest shots on target for and against. We would finish bottom based on last season on both counts. We are getting relegated if we keep BG, Jaakkola is our only hope of staying up. Wake up and smell the coffee. B-b-b-but best summer’s recruitment ever!!1 It seems to me the same people banging on about the quality of the squad are the same ones who think we have no right to compete against the likes of Ipswich and Sunderland. They make it up as they go along, constantly lowering expectations and moving goalposts to make it as easy as possible for them to get behind the manager.
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Post by baggins on Sept 21, 2020 13:30:23 GMT
He’s like a porn star who can’t get it up, but he keeps on going! I’ve heard of managers phoning it in but never one thumbing it in Still wouldn't get a result.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 21, 2020 13:37:41 GMT
Oxford are an interesting case at the moment. Hoping for promotion to the Championship just a few weeks ago - now bottom of the league without a point or a goal scored. Haven’t been on their forum but I bet they’re clamouring for the manager to be sacked. Garner needs longer yet. Listen to Little’s interview for common sense. If I were an Oxford fan I wouldn’t be calling for the head of the man who lead us to a playoff final the previous season. Terrible comparison.
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Post by rovers69 on Sept 21, 2020 13:41:27 GMT
As predicted-utter meltdown by the negative squad-as Garner is not going anywhere looks like they will be around for a few weeks yet and then will crawl back behind the skirting when results change
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Post by axegas on Sept 21, 2020 14:04:28 GMT
It seems to me that most people agree that Garner's record so far is dreadful and that if in the future things continue in the same vein, Wael will be forced into making a decision. People also want Rovers to win every game, regardless if they're pro Garner or anti Garner.
The main sticking point seems to be whether you regard the summer and the new season as a fresh start for Garner or a continuation of his efforts last season.
Likelihood is we'll probably be having this same debate after the Doncaster game too, with some people pointing to the fact that Garner has only presided over three league games and others pointing to his abysmal record.
I think what's clear though is that there is only so long that people's patiences will hold, even for the most optimistic supporter and if things continue as they are 5 or 10 games down the line, the fanbase will start to form a pretty united front in it's opposition to BG.
I don't wish him to fail, in fact I've spent pretty much the whole summer wishing that he will prove people wrong this season but a points got to come where Garner has to wake up to the fact that we've been so poor under his guidance so far, acknowledge it and tactically try something new.
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Post by markczgas on Sept 21, 2020 14:05:07 GMT
TWO games in to the season ........................................ Anyone want to predict where Sunderland and Ipswich will finish this season ? Get behind the team and the boss - long way to go. Signings are good. Young players emerging too. I couldn't give a monkeys about Sunderland and Ipswich. I know more about my team and that we are sh1t under BG. Lowest shots on target for and against. We would finish bottom based on last season on both counts. We are getting relegated if we keep BG, Jaakkola is our only hope of staying up. Wake up and smell the coffee. 2 games in and you're throwing all your toys out of your pram, but not your iPhone
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Post by markczgas on Sept 21, 2020 14:07:04 GMT
If BG was working in any other industry, he'd have been sacked ages ago. sack the manager, get rid of the new players - I'll sort the lot out - you wait and see.
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Post by markczgas on Sept 21, 2020 14:08:47 GMT
It seems to me that most people agree that Garner's record so far is dreadful and that if in the future things continue in the same vein, Wael will be forced into making a decision. People also want Rovers to win every game, regardless if they're pro Garner or anti Garner. The main sticking point seems to be whether you regard the summer and the new season as a fresh start for Garner or a continuation of his efforts last season. Likelihood is we'll probably be having this same debate after the Doncaster game too, with some people pointing to the fact that Garner has only presided over three league games and others pointing to his abysmal record. I think what's clear though is that there is only so long that people's patiences will hold, even for the most optimistic supporter and if things continue as they are 5 or 10 games down the line, the fanbase will start to form a pretty united front in it's opposition to BG. I don't wish him to fail, in fact I've spent pretty much the whole summer wishing that he will prove people wrong this season but a points got to come where Garner has to wake up to the fact that we've been so poor under his guidance so far, acknowledge it and tactically try something new. more than 5 games Axe, give him and the NEW players a chance - it's a shame about 20 on hear don't like the word patience.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 21, 2020 14:09:16 GMT
I couldn't give a monkeys about Sunderland and Ipswich. I know more about my team and that we are sh1t under BG. Lowest shots on target for and against. We would finish bottom based on last season on both counts. We are getting relegated if we keep BG, Jaakkola is our only hope of staying up. Wake up and smell the coffee. 2 games in and you're throwing all your toys out of your pram, but not your iPhone Last season void then? League Cup games don't count?
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 21, 2020 14:40:23 GMT
This is another in countless threads all very similar with those who want BG out using last season as an example of his inability to successfully manage and those that think after a complete overhaul of the squad he deserves a bit of time with his own players. Of course last season will have some bearing on any board decision but it's not going to happen after 2 league games, he'll be given time whether we like it or not. I do think it's interesting to see how performances are perceived, for example if Sunderland away had happened under Coughlan I'm sure it would have been viewed as a brilliant battling backs to the wall performance & yet under Garner a lot of the comments were negative and critical of us being penned in for the whole of the second half. Obviously previous games have a bearing on that but I do get the impression for some whatever Garner does he won't ever truly win them over, he's even getting criticism for how he dresses !!
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Post by dragonfly on Sept 21, 2020 14:52:50 GMT
When Garner took charge we were in 4th place and he was not going to change the way we played before the end of the season by agreement with Wael. However it was seemed that he did change after his short absence, certainly in training, according to some player interviews. It is possible for a drop in form to take place with a change of Manager during a season but rarely the collapse we witnessed. Yes we had a lot of injuries but so did other Teams who coped somewhat better. He did sign some Players in the January window but the slide down the table continued and the Sunderland win was the only convincing performance of note. Forward to the present we have mostly a new team and the slump continues no matter what Players he has used and by now he has played a significant number. They are not performing and when you see Ehmer give away a soft own goal, sloppy play from Kilgour, ineffectiveness from JML for example spread throughout the Team it is no wonder that Ipswich largely dominated us and Walsall were a match for us, it does not seem to matter which Team he selects we cannot click under Garner. He has had a fair run and due to his novice status would not normally command a film star salary(how long is his contract)? He needs to be sacked now before he does BRFC any more damage.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Sept 21, 2020 15:08:53 GMT
Hysteria on a grand scale. This is now BGs squad. With a few more additions to key roles it will have balance, competition and talent in each position. BG is taking the flak because the club's ownership is taking a progressive different direction. In real terms it's 2 games into this new approach. The previous approach of several decades brought what - season after season in the lower tier and one season in the conference. If this nostalgia would yield a return to a golden era I might buy the argument. But as a fan in my late 50s I have never seen this save a brief spell in the old Div 2. By all means if there is no up turn in results 7/8 games from now there will be cause for concern but for god's sake 3 competitive matches against probable promotion sides is no time for judgement. Over 20 games, many of which were with a squad 4th placed in the league on the crest of a wave. Utter, utter delusion. Gonna put the neck on my line and agree - GC out. Simply don't beleive he's a particularly good manager and can't really see him taking us forward. Unlike when people were calling for DCs head etc. I actually don't think we could really do any worse if we did get rid. Thankful for last year, but his managerial ability is extremely limited IMO and for some reason I just can't take to him. Offload and roll the dice. 4th placed in the league after gaining the full support of the fans after a poor start to the season.... and that was with a good end to the previous season! I'm not particularly impressed with what I've seen/ heard so far, and certainly not saying BG will get us to 4th by Christmas, but Wael isn't going to get rid immediately after just backing him with transfers. If it starts to click over the next couple of months, great. If not, he'll be gone and we look to someone else. That's football. All we can hope in the meantime is that results (and performances) improve.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 21, 2020 15:13:25 GMT
He needs to be sacked now before he does BRFC any more damage. A decision (or non-decision) would have been made before the transfer window opens. It doesn't make sense to let a manager rebuild a team and have a full pre-season to only give him a few games. Once the club committed to him at the end of last season, he's here for half a season at least, istm.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 21, 2020 15:39:30 GMT
Look across the river new manager. Never managed before. Hasn't luxury of his own team. Yet 4 wins already.top of the table
You can either manage or you cant.
Says it all when city fans have him as the best ever rovers manager
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 21, 2020 16:10:46 GMT
I couldn't give a monkeys about Sunderland and Ipswich. I know more about my team and that we are sh1t under BG. Lowest shots on target for and against. We would finish bottom based on last season on both counts. We are getting relegated if we keep BG, Jaakkola is our only hope of staying up. Wake up and smell the coffee. 2 games in and you're throwing all your toys out of your pram, but not your iPhone 4 games in. League Cup, Football Trophy, and League 1 games
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 21, 2020 16:11:14 GMT
I couldn't give a monkeys about Sunderland and Ipswich. I know more about my team and that we are sh1t under BG. Lowest shots on target for and against. We would finish bottom based on last season on both counts. We are getting relegated if we keep BG, Jaakkola is our only hope of staying up. Wake up and smell the coffee. 2 games in and you're throwing all your toys out of your pram, but not your iPhone 4 games actually
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 21, 2020 16:19:42 GMT
He needs to be sacked now before he does BRFC any more damage. A decision (or non-decision) would have been made before the transfer window opens. It doesn't make sense to let a manager rebuild a team and have a full pre-season to only give him a few games. Once the club committed to him at the end of last season, he's here for half a season at least, istm. On the face of it I agree with you, as much as I’m not happy with sticking with him. But if this form continues against the teams we expect to perform towards the tail of the league this season then the ownership will have to act. There will come a point where Wael will have to choose between cutting his losses with Ben and risking his investment in the summer taking a tanking because of an avoidable relegation.
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