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Post by baggins on Sept 21, 2020 16:31:22 GMT
If BG was working in any other industry, he'd have been sacked ages ago. sack the manager, get rid of the new players - I'll sort the lot out - you wait and see. Off you go then.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 21, 2020 16:49:25 GMT
A decision (or non-decision) would have been made before the transfer window opens. It doesn't make sense to let a manager rebuild a team and have a full pre-season to only give him a few games. Once the club committed to him at the end of last season, he's here for half a season at least, istm. On the face of it I agree with you, as much as I’m not happy with sticking with him. But if this form continues against the teams we expect to perform towards the tail of the league this season then the ownership will have to act. There will come a point where Wael will have to choose between cutting his losses with Ben and risking his investment in the summer taking a tanking because of an avoidable relegation. Yeah, and that time would be three or four games quicker, perhaps, than it might normally, coz of last season.
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Post by RD on Sept 21, 2020 17:42:54 GMT
Over 20 games, many of which were with a squad 4th placed in the league on the crest of a wave. Utter, utter delusion. Gonna put the neck on my line and agree - GC out. Simply don't beleive he's a particularly good manager and can't really see him taking us forward. Unlike when people were calling for DCs head etc. I actually don't think we could really do any worse if we did get rid. Thankful for last year, but his managerial ability is extremely limited IMO and for some reason I just can't take to him. Offload and roll the dice. 4th placed in the league after gaining the full support of the fans after a poor start to the season.... and that was with a good end to the previous season! I'm not particularly impressed with what I've seen/ heard so far, and certainly not saying BG will get us to 4th by Christmas, but Wael isn't going to get rid immediately after just backing him with transfers. If it starts to click over the next couple of months, great. If not, he'll be gone and we look to someone else. That's football. All we can hope in the meantime is that results (and performances) improve. Bit of a dick move really. We weren't 4th at that point - far from it. Still, I will have enormous fun tomorrow when I dig out the 50+ posts were I said ages ago Garner was dog sh*T. Got called all sorts of names by all and sundrie but proven right nonetheless. Tomorrow will be fun Seriously though, imagine having such a boring life you'd go through what - maybe 200? 300 posts to find that. Wow.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Sept 21, 2020 18:37:01 GMT
4th placed in the league after gaining the full support of the fans after a poor start to the season.... and that was with a good end to the previous season! I'm not particularly impressed with what I've seen/ heard so far, and certainly not saying BG will get us to 4th by Christmas, but Wael isn't going to get rid immediately after just backing him with transfers. If it starts to click over the next couple of months, great. If not, he'll be gone and we look to someone else. That's football. All we can hope in the meantime is that results (and performances) improve. Bit of a dick move really. We weren't 4th at that point - far from it. Still, I will have enormous fun tomorrow when I dig out the 50+ posts were I said ages ago Garner was dog sh*T. Got called all sorts of names by all and sundrie but proven right nonetheless. Tomorrow will be fun Seriously though, imagine having such a boring life you'd go through what - maybe 200? 300 posts to find that. Wow. I didn't actually, but thanks for assessing my life as well. Just looked at that thread out of interest and there it was. The point was, we'd had a crap start then as well, same response, and look what happened. I'm not saying BG is the man or things will improve, but he isn't going this early in the season regardless of what anybody thinks.
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Post by twertonboy on Sept 21, 2020 19:14:58 GMT
Usual poisonous short sighted morons on here calling for his head and embarrassingly still going on about we were 4th for a couple of weeks last season.
He came in to a team of wrongful signings that managed to get some results mainly down to anssi and jch having blinding performances and a lot of luck and shocking football which was never sustainable and garner wants to play football, the sort of attractive football that is sustainable and the sort of football which would bring back the crowds to the mem which was on a big decline even when we were 4TH!!!!
He’s brought in with his back room staff our best signings in a very long time on the plan of playing football and his experience of coaching in the premiership etc which previous managers wouldn’t have got over the line.. They need time to gel and if it takes 2 seasons to get play offs and long term gashead like myself or intelligent level headed gashead would bite their hand off. These idiots and it’s always the same ones on here with nothing better to do saying “how long do we give him?” We give him as long as the board gives him. These people are the cancer of modern day football fans. If it’s not instant (with the players he’s brought in) they think the more you say it on social media you have enough power to sack someone!!! It’s embarrassing. We aren’t Sunderland or Ipswich with big pockets and championship facilities and we’re so far off league one mid table for that. We haven’t got loads of money to buy Our way out of this league so we need to have a decent plan going forward which is buy young prospects and in a year of being together coach them to top 6 players. I wasn’t expecting a point from our first two games and we get one at Sunderland (but apparently that’s only because Sunderland we’re so bad according to the usual muppets on here), We lost to Ipswich, move on and get behind the team and see we have prospects playing for us and a manager trying to play the right way. I know these people won’t because that’s how their brains work but why not let the season progress before starting up such negative embarrassing threads such as this.
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Post by RD on Sept 21, 2020 20:02:37 GMT
Bit of a dick move really. We weren't 4th at that point - far from it. Still, I will have enormous fun tomorrow when I dig out the 50+ posts were I said ages ago Garner was dog sh*T. Got called all sorts of names by all and sundrie but proven right nonetheless. Tomorrow will be fun Seriously though, imagine having such a boring life you'd go through what - maybe 200? 300 posts to find that. Wow. I didn't actually, but thanks for assessing my life as well. Just looked at that thread out of interest and there it was. The point was, we'd had a crap start then as well, same response, and look what happened. I'm not saying BG is the man or things will improve, but he isn't going this early in the season regardless of what anybody thinks. "look what happened" What happened? The bloke jumped ship at the first opportunity for a team in the league below! Showing no loyalty whatsoever! And anything he had achieved at that point counted for sh*t as your messiah BG came in and royally f**ked it up.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 21, 2020 20:15:29 GMT
Usual poisonous short sighted morons on here calling for his head and embarrassingly still going on about we were 4th for a couple of weeks last season. He came in to a team of wrongful signings that managed to get some results mainly down to anssi and jch having blinding performances and a lot of luck and shocking football which was never sustainable and garner wants to play football, the sort of attractive football that is sustainable and the sort of football which would bring back the crowds to the mem which was on a big decline even when we were 4TH!!!! He’s brought in with his back room staff our best signings in a very long time on the plan of playing football and his experience of coaching in the premiership etc which previous managers wouldn’t have got over the line.. They need time to gel and if it takes 2 seasons to get play offs and long term gashead like myself or intelligent level headed gashead would bite their hand off. These idiots and it’s always the same ones on here with nothing better to do saying “how long do we give him?” We give him as long as the board gives him. These people are the cancer of modern day football fans. If it’s not instant (with the players he’s brought in) they think the more you say it on social media you have enough power to sack someone!!! It’s embarrassing. We aren’t Sunderland or Ipswich with big pockets and championship facilities and we’re so far off league one mid table for that. We haven’t got loads of money to buy Our way out of this league so we need to have a decent plan going forward which is buy young prospects and in a year of being together coach them to top 6 players. I wasn’t expecting a point from our first two games and we get one at Sunderland (but apparently that’s only because Sunderland we’re so bad according to the usual muppets on here), We lost to Ipswich, move on and get behind the team and see we have prospects playing for us and a manager trying to play the right way. I know these people won’t because that’s how their brains work but why not let the season progress before starting up such negative embarrassing threads such as this. Anssi and JCH were still here when BG was here. Anssi got injured but Blackman came in and was a capable keeper. GC was one lucky bloke. His record since managing us up until when he left was promotion winning form. A whole year nearly of "luck". The luck of the Irish eh? I fail to see what sort of football you are on about that is great to watch. It's not much better on the eye than under GC except we have no bite and no attacking threat whatsoever. See the shots on target stay thread. It's. A bit too early to be calling our signings the best of all time, surely? I think our transfer business has been decent in general but I have mainly been impressed since TW has come in. "They need time to gel" - shall we just keep making new signings every window then slwe can keep wheeling this one out. It's a classic footballing cliche. Think it was Ancelotti who said it recently that good footballers can click quite quickly. It's an excuse let's face it and will only last so long. People keep making Ipswich and Sunderland sound like world beatees. They may prove to be good but they finished 11th and 8th last season. If we're going to write off fixtures against them then we may as well as write off the rest of the top half from last season. I'm sorry Twerton but your optimism is blind. I am hoping for the best, I hope to god BG can turn it around, I really cannot see it though. Yours sincerely, Cancerous muppet
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Sept 21, 2020 20:17:08 GMT
I didn't actually, but thanks for assessing my life as well. Just looked at that thread out of interest and there it was. The point was, we'd had a crap start then as well, same response, and look what happened. I'm not saying BG is the man or things will improve, but he isn't going this early in the season regardless of what anybody thinks. "look what happened" What happened? The bloke jumped ship at the first opportunity for a team in the league below! Showing no loyalty whatsoever! And anything he had achieved at that point counted for sh*t as your messiah BG came in and royally f**ked it up. We started to get results and shot up the league! And my messiah??? Ok, not sure where you've got that from. I've given my reasons as to why he will stay (short term anyway) and it's not down to his past or current record.
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Post by RD on Sept 21, 2020 20:27:06 GMT
"look what happened" What happened? The bloke jumped ship at the first opportunity for a team in the league below! Showing no loyalty whatsoever! And anything he had achieved at that point counted for sh*t as your messiah BG came in and royally f**ked it up. We started to get results and shot up the league! And my messiah??? Ok, not sure where you've got that from. I've given my reasons as to why he will stay (short term anyway) and it's not down to his past or current record. In all fairness, perhaps I should share your optimism. Garner might have only won 2 in 22(ish) but we have been superb in most games. More possession, chance after chance, its been bad luck story after back luck story. I guess you're right. I'm sure we'll turn the corner any day now.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Sept 21, 2020 20:48:58 GMT
We started to get results and shot up the league! And my messiah??? Ok, not sure where you've got that from. I've given my reasons as to why he will stay (short term anyway) and it's not down to his past or current record. In all fairness, perhaps I should share your optimism. Garner might have only won 2 in 22(ish) but we have been superb in most games. More possession, chance after chance, its been bad luck story after back luck story. I guess you're right. I'm sure we'll turn the corner any day now. We might, we might not. If we do, he'll stay and if we don't, he'll go. I've never said it has been good, just that it MAY improve and that that's all we can hope for atm. Wael isn't going to get rid of him after 2 league games having backed him heavily (for us) in the transfer window.
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Post by RD on Sept 21, 2020 20:51:50 GMT
In all fairness, perhaps I should share your optimism. Garner might have only won 2 in 22(ish) but we have been superb in most games. More possession, chance after chance, its been bad luck story after back luck story. I guess you're right. I'm sure we'll turn the corner any day now. We might, we might not. If we do, he'll stay and if we don't, he'll go. I've never said it has been good, just that it MAY improve and that that's all we can hope for atm. Wael isn't going to get rid of him after 2 league games having backed him heavily (for us) in the transfer window. Over 20 league games actually. And I guess the sun may not rise tomorrow morning and I may win the lotto without a ticket. Or maybe, just maybe the sun will rise, I won't win the lottery without a ticket and Ben Garner still won't be a football manager.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Sept 21, 2020 20:52:31 GMT
We might, we might not. If we do, he'll stay and if we don't, he'll go. I've never said it has been good, just that it MAY improve and that that's all we can hope for atm. Wael isn't going to get rid of him after 2 league games having backed him heavily (for us) in the transfer window. Over 20 league games actually. And I guess the sun may not rise tomorrow morning and I may win the lotto without a ticket. Or maybe, just maybe the sun will rise, I won't win the lottery without a ticket and Ben Garner still won't be a football manager. Ok, you're right. I'm done.
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Post by eastgas on Sept 21, 2020 21:21:45 GMT
I very rarely comment on these threads as people just seem to argue until they are blue in the face. Opinions are opinions and everyone is entitled to one but our fan base seems to be more divided now than ever. There always seems to something for everyone to be up in arms over and more often than not results in fans of BRFC, who all want what’s best for the club resorting to personal insults and petty arguing because their view differs from another’s. I could be described as a rose tinter I suppose if that’s what people want to call it because I don’t want to see BG gone yet, I want him to be given more time and that may be down to hope rather than anything else. But I do want what is best for rovers like we all do. For so long we have all wanted the club to show a bit of forward thinking and plan for the long term and future which I believe they are actually doing as shown by waels investment Off and on the pitch this summer. We now also have a clear and obvious transfer policy aimed at sustainability. I know it’s an old and probably overused cliche but Rome wasn’t built in a day. After wanting and waiting for the club to transform itself into a properly run club being run in a modern way I’m prepared to show a little bit of patience. BG is the man Wael has trusted to help take this club forward and while he has Wael, the club and the clubs players backing he will have mine. I expect a lot will disagree but that doesn’t mean we should be on at one another over it otherwise these threads serve no purpose other than spread negativity and anger amongst fans on a forum designed for us to discuss our opinions in a proper manner.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 22, 2020 0:40:44 GMT
Usual poisonous short sighted morons on here calling for his head and embarrassingly still going on about we were 4th for a couple of weeks last season. He came in to a team of wrongful signings that managed to get some results mainly down to anssi and jch having blinding performances and a lot of luck and shocking football which was never sustainable and garner wants to play football, the sort of attractive football that is sustainable and the sort of football which would bring back the crowds to the mem which was on a big decline even when we were 4TH!!!! He’s brought in with his back room staff our best signings in a very long time on the plan of playing football and his experience of coaching in the premiership etc which previous managers wouldn’t have got over the line.. They need time to gel and if it takes 2 seasons to get play offs and long term gashead like myself or intelligent level headed gashead would bite their hand off. These idiots and it’s always the same ones on here with nothing better to do saying “how long do we give him?” We give him as long as the board gives him. These people are the cancer of modern day football fans. If it’s not instant (with the players he’s brought in) they think the more you say it on social media you have enough power to sack someone!!! It’s embarrassing. We aren’t Sunderland or Ipswich with big pockets and championship facilities and we’re so far off league one mid table for that. We haven’t got loads of money to buy Our way out of this league so we need to have a decent plan going forward which is buy young prospects and in a year of being together coach them to top 6 players. I wasn’t expecting a point from our first two games and we get one at Sunderland (but apparently that’s only because Sunderland we’re so bad according to the usual muppets on here), We lost to Ipswich, move on and get behind the team and see we have prospects playing for us and a manager trying to play the right way. I know these people won’t because that’s how their brains work but why not let the season progress before starting up such negative embarrassing threads such as this. So, can somebody explain to me what gives you the right to refer to people (Rovers fans, just like you) as “Poisonous, short-sighted morons”? These people are Gasheads, but unlike you are not full of blind optimism about a “manager” who has now had 20-odd games, a full pre-season and has recruited a team full of his own players, but still overwhelmingly failed to show one shred of improvement over the second half of last season, when he took us from 4th to almost bottom of the league. What gives you the right to dismiss the genuine concerns of Rovers fans who are worried that this man is not capable of managing our team? Do you think you are somehow more of a fan than them because you blindly follow St Ben10 and refuse to allow any criticism of him? It really must be lovely to be that superior . . . Nobody WANTS the team, the club or the manager to fail, why would they? It’s just that some of them, myself included, aren’t convinced he is up to the job. But hey, let’s just carry on blindly supporting Garner like you, cos that’s bound to make it all come good.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 22, 2020 6:49:24 GMT
Harsh reality is that rovers dont have time on their side. We cant afford to dick about this season in the hope this guy starts winning. If we sleepwalk into relegation that's the beginning of the end. Like it or not just by the odds city will be in the premier league in the next few years. That will then be a gap to big.With our ageing fanbase which I believe averages in the 50s you can say goodbye to the future. They will mop up any interested football fan in the area. Can you then see any investment in a stadium in the next few years when there isn't even a fan base there?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 9:51:56 GMT
Usual poisonous short sighted morons on here calling for his head and embarrassingly still going on about we were 4th for a couple of weeks last season. He came in to a team of wrongful signings that managed to get some results mainly down to anssi and jch having blinding performances and a lot of luck and shocking football which was never sustainable and garner wants to play football, the sort of attractive football that is sustainable and the sort of football which would bring back the crowds to the mem which was on a big decline even when we were 4TH!!!! He’s brought in with his back room staff our best signings in a very long time on the plan of playing football and his experience of coaching in the premiership etc which previous managers wouldn’t have got over the line.. They need time to gel and if it takes 2 seasons to get play offs and long term gashead like myself or intelligent level headed gashead would bite their hand off. These idiots and it’s always the same ones on here with nothing better to do saying “how long do we give him?” We give him as long as the board gives him. These people are the cancer of modern day football fans. If it’s not instant (with the players he’s brought in) they think the more you say it on social media you have enough power to sack someone!!! It’s embarrassing. We aren’t Sunderland or Ipswich with big pockets and championship facilities and we’re so far off league one mid table for that. We haven’t got loads of money to buy Our way out of this league so we need to have a decent plan going forward which is buy young prospects and in a year of being together coach them to top 6 players. I wasn’t expecting a point from our first two games and we get one at Sunderland (but apparently that’s only because Sunderland we’re so bad according to the usual muppets on here), We lost to Ipswich, move on and get behind the team and see we have prospects playing for us and a manager trying to play the right way. I know these people won’t because that’s how their brains work but why not let the season progress before starting up such negative embarrassing threads such as this. Mate I hope that you’re not referring to me here as my OP is very much asking for patience and to back the team and BG as it’s far too early in my opinion to be talking about sacking and relegation etc. I have explained why I think we struggled after he came in last season and I do believe that whilst GC performed miracles in his time with us, there was a significant amount of luck - under his defence first, direct style of football we were predominantly under constant pressure and snuck wins due to our defensive resilience and the brilliance of JCH. I agree that I personally don’t think it was sustainable and we were just waiting to get caught out - as happened after he left. I believe now that BG has had the chance to bring in his own players we should give them the opportunity to gel and then look at what the results are. There have been snippets of what we are trying to do in the recent games but it’s not been consistent (and with strong, highly fancied teams would never be). I still have the optimism that it will come good and we will see this team improve, mature and start to get the results we crave but we have to give them the support and opportunity and be patient (hence my let’s see what the position is at the end of November). If nothing has improved then and we are struggling and flirting with relegation then maybe it’s time to reconsider as that would give someone new time to review the squad ahead of the Jan transfer window. I believe we will end up somewhere high mid table this season and our aim should be to target play offs next season with a decent, gelled and maturing team. People are entitled to disagree as that’s their opinion but I do think it’s premature to be talking about managerial changes only a few games into the season. I may be miles off but I think we will be getting 7-9 points out of our next 5 games and the picture will be completely different then. Look at Oxford and Portsmouth who have extremely strong squads and they haven’t got their expected results in their opening games!? Comparisons between us and City are not particularly relevant - look at the money they have ploughed in and the infrastructure they have? It’s like comparing apples and pears and we are years behind them in terms of getting the house in order... remember, they spent over a decade in league 1 despite the millions of Lansdown and its only recently that they have started to improve spending multi millions on players to buy themselves out of the league and to sustain themselves in the championship. We don’t have that financial clout and following the changes in FFP and salary caps, they football world is a very different place! We can have high expectations, but please - we need to be realistic.
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Post by blueridge on Sept 22, 2020 10:08:04 GMT
Usual poisonous short sighted morons on here calling for his head and embarrassingly still going on about we were 4th for a couple of weeks last season. He came in to a team of wrongful signings that managed to get some results mainly down to anssi and jch having blinding performances and a lot of luck and shocking football which was never sustainable and garner wants to play football, the sort of attractive football that is sustainable and the sort of football which would bring back the crowds to the mem which was on a big decline even when we were 4TH!!!! He’s brought in with his back room staff our best signings in a very long time on the plan of playing football and his experience of coaching in the premiership etc which previous managers wouldn’t have got over the line.. They need time to gel and if it takes 2 seasons to get play offs and long term gashead like myself or intelligent level headed gashead would bite their hand off. These idiots and it’s always the same ones on here with nothing better to do saying “how long do we give him?” We give him as long as the board gives him. These people are the cancer of modern day football fans. If it’s not instant (with the players he’s brought in) they think the more you say it on social media you have enough power to sack someone!!! It’s embarrassing. We aren’t Sunderland or Ipswich with big pockets and championship facilities and we’re so far off league one mid table for that. We haven’t got loads of money to buy Our way out of this league so we need to have a decent plan going forward which is buy young prospects and in a year of being together coach them to top 6 players. I wasn’t expecting a point from our first two games and we get one at Sunderland (but apparently that’s only because Sunderland we’re so bad according to the usual muppets on here), We lost to Ipswich, move on and get behind the team and see we have prospects playing for us and a manager trying to play the right way. I know these people won’t because that’s how their brains work but why not let the season progress before starting up such negative embarrassing threads such as this. This forum represents a cross section of Rovers fans - but you're arrogant enough to categorise the majority as, "morons", "idiots" & "muppets" ummm? - and BTW the football and more importantly the results are still "shocking".
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Post by RD on Sept 22, 2020 11:34:13 GMT
Usual poisonous short sighted morons on here calling for his head and embarrassingly still going on about we were 4th for a couple of weeks last season. He came in to a team of wrongful signings that managed to get some results mainly down to anssi and jch having blinding performances and a lot of luck and shocking football which was never sustainable and garner wants to play football, the sort of attractive football that is sustainable and the sort of football which would bring back the crowds to the mem which was on a big decline even when we were 4TH!!!! He’s brought in with his back room staff our best signings in a very long time on the plan of playing football and his experience of coaching in the premiership etc which previous managers wouldn’t have got over the line.. They need time to gel and if it takes 2 seasons to get play offs and long term gashead like myself or intelligent level headed gashead would bite their hand off. These idiots and it’s always the same ones on here with nothing better to do saying “how long do we give him?” We give him as long as the board gives him. These people are the cancer of modern day football fans. If it’s not instant (with the players he’s brought in) they think the more you say it on social media you have enough power to sack someone!!! It’s embarrassing. We aren’t Sunderland or Ipswich with big pockets and championship facilities and we’re so far off league one mid table for that. We haven’t got loads of money to buy Our way out of this league so we need to have a decent plan going forward which is buy young prospects and in a year of being together coach them to top 6 players. I wasn’t expecting a point from our first two games and we get one at Sunderland (but apparently that’s only because Sunderland we’re so bad according to the usual muppets on here), We lost to Ipswich, move on and get behind the team and see we have prospects playing for us and a manager trying to play the right way. I know these people won’t because that’s how their brains work but why not let the season progress before starting up such negative embarrassing threads such as this. Utter, utter delusion.
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Post by rovers69 on Sept 22, 2020 11:39:00 GMT
The Negatives cant leave it alone-i guess the delusion and head in the sands relates to them-really need to get a life-GARNER IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE-Hopefully the negatives will go away soon when results change
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Post by baggins on Sept 22, 2020 11:40:56 GMT
The Negatives cant leave it alone-i guess the delusion and head in the sands relates to them-really need to get a life-GARNER IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE-Hopefully the negatives will go away soon when results change If.
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