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Post by LJG on Sept 27, 2020 12:05:15 GMT
I took his comment to mean that the culture of Rovers is historically to be happy to be second best. Rovers don't like winners. I've been watching Rovers since 1989 and have to say I can't disagree too much with that as a sentiment. Barring one season under Gerry and two under DC you can hardly see we've got the killer instinct of a club that demands winners. Sure we met adversity in losing Eastville and moving to Twerton but quite honestly, for me, that all forms part of the happy to be the underdog culture. The way I see it, all of this "give it ten more games" embodies that attitude perfectly. We don't demand the best performances, we're happy to let people get away with serving up rubbish and always be in 20th place in January. We'll literally never progress being in that cycle. The same cycle since 98. Who's the "Rovers don't like winners" comment referring to, as whenever we've been winners attendances have always increased? The GC era being an exception but that's probably down to Gasheads losing interest after DC left and the club generally seemed to be going nowhere. Typically when GC seem to be winning over fans support he quit! What I don't understand is what Wael's trying to build, is it a club which can challenge for promotion, or one where we just develop young players to sell on at a profit, if the latter are fans just going to tune in to iFollow/turn up to watch games if we're never going to make any progression. I think I've explained what I meant pretty well. You just need to read the post. No one will be selling any players who dole out the poor performances we have.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 12:14:07 GMT
I liked the dream of neat passing football and developing a young squad but the evidence suggest it was just a dream. Slow build up lets opposition defend in numbers the few times we are on the front foot, that necessary playmaker is not there and the passing game is a failure unless you have class players who can move the ball quickly and accurately. In this league you need to mix it and we lack the experience to do that.
Not sure where we go from here...it's not all going to fall magically in place after a few more games.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 27, 2020 12:19:17 GMT
I’m still gonna give him another 7 league games as I said I’d give him 10 before judging. It certainly doesn’t look good at the moment but I’ve watched enough football over the years to know things can turn around quickly.
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Post by althepirate on Sept 27, 2020 12:26:37 GMT
I’m still gonna give him another 7 league games as I said I’d give him 10 before judging. It certainly doesn’t look good at the moment but I’ve watched enough football over the years to know things can turn around quickly. Yes I think that's the sensible way tbh, but I feel that Wael will give him more especially as the training ground has not opened its gates yet. Garner has had more advantages than any other manager I can think of. If it wasn't for the referees decisions, decisions, decisions we would be top now.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 27, 2020 12:53:42 GMT
Belatro-Onis Labes-Labis Maestus Ooh - you just made that up!
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Post by Gas-Ed on Sept 27, 2020 13:01:19 GMT
I’m still gonna give him another 7 league games as I said I’d give him 10 before judging. It certainly doesn’t look good at the moment but I’ve watched enough football over the years to know things can turn around quickly. Have you ever known a manager with no experience turn around form of 2 wins in 24?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 13:07:02 GMT
That's the worry now we are a national joke. What manager with any sort of pedigree wants to join a club at the foot of the table with all eyes on it watching every defeat and becoming the butt of jokes and ridicule to the likes of wycombe and the rest that we are supposedly superior to?like Crawley our.next.managers will be on a merry go round from the amateur leagues of Syria.turkey romania and Georgia. We’ll appoint Harry Kewell next and that will be it, for me
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 27, 2020 13:14:03 GMT
I’m still gonna give him another 7 league games as I said I’d give him 10 before judging. It certainly doesn’t look good at the moment but I’ve watched enough football over the years to know things can turn around quickly. I've watched enough to know once a manager gets in a rut of losing it's almost impossible to turn things around, the danger of leaving it for 10 games is that the transfer window will be closed, by then BG will have probably brought in two more kids and either let Ogogo leave or not registered him as a player. If we then replace BG the new manager will just have a bunch of kids to manage. Meanwhile, Shrewsbury signed Leon Clarke yesterday.
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Post by neogas on Sept 27, 2020 13:15:40 GMT
That's the worry now we are a national joke. I would wager that most of the nation has no idea what is happening with Bristol Rovers and their manager Ben Garner. I think most unemployed managers who have operated from mid championship down would jump at the chance to manage us.
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Post by singupgas on Sept 27, 2020 13:24:21 GMT
Passing football only works well if the players are able to move the ball around at pace and forward. If it something they are working too, they need to get it perfected sharpish.
So far we are pedestrian and lack any cutting edge to make enough chances to give ourselves a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 13:59:37 GMT
I took his comment to mean that the culture of Rovers is historically to be happy to be second best. Rovers don't like winners. I've been watching Rovers since 1989 and have to say I can't disagree too much with that as a sentiment. Barring one season under Gerry and two under DC you can hardly see we've got the killer instinct of a club that demands winners. Sure we met adversity in losing Eastville and moving to Twerton but quite honestly, for me, that all forms part of the happy to be the underdog culture. The way I see it, all of this "give it ten more games" embodies that attitude perfectly. We don't demand the best performances, we're happy to let people get away with serving up rubbish and always be in 20th place in January. We'll literally never progress being in that cycle. The same cycle since 98. Who's the "Rovers don't like winners" comment referring to, as whenever we've been winners attendances have always increased? The GC era being an exception but that's probably down to Gasheads losing interest after DC left and the club generally seemed to be going nowhere. Typically when GC seem to be winning over fans support he quit! What I don't understand is what Wael's trying to build, is it a club which can challenge for promotion, or one where we just develop young players to sell on at a profit, if the latter are fans just going to tune in to iFollow/turn up to watch games if we're never going to make any progression. Our fanbase buys wholeheartedly into the cult of “back the manager” where all critical thought is left at the door and you blindly follow and ask no questions. City fans even mock us for this on their forum. A manager eventually has to start earning the support with wins. What we have currently is an extreme example, 2 wins in 24! How can you back a manager like that without engaging your brain and thinking “why are we tolerating this? I want us to win and this guy has been given every chance to prove he’s a winner and he’s no further forward than the day he started”. That’s why I say we don’t like winners, in my time I feel we have been far too passively accepting of poor performance by the club in general. LJG is right, these excuses for Garner aren’t new, they were trotted out for the likes of Graydon years before. Decades of mis-management during which our fanbase have been fairly docile. My personal belief is we have bought into the rag-bag Rovers mentality and underdog spirit and imo it manifests in this whole “well let’s give Garner 10 more games” nonsense. Wael will give him til Christmas and when he eventually goes we’ll look back and think for all the extra time he was given he did sod all to earn it and we’ve wasted another season when we could have been making changes to make us competitive a lot sooner.
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Post by playtowin on Sept 27, 2020 18:50:18 GMT
It's a new team a new style a new season. BG will be given chance to show it will work. If the team fall 12 points from safety he will go regardless. Anymore would be too big a job for a new manager . 5 games of struggle 5 games of levelling off 5 games of upward movement.
Keep it simple Ben. Mark the man not the space. Close down quick and double up quickly. Encourage midfield to shoot as often as possible. Encourage wingers to stay wide and whip crosses in. Good luck.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 27, 2020 19:33:18 GMT
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Post by fanatical on Sept 27, 2020 19:37:49 GMT
I’m still gonna give him another 7 league games as I said I’d give him 10 before judging. It certainly doesn’t look good at the moment but I’ve watched enough football over the years to know things can turn around quickly. Yes I think that's the sensible way tbh, but I feel that Wael will give him more especially as the training ground has not opened its gates yet. Garner has had more advantages than any other manager I can think of. If it wasn't for the referees decisions, decisions, decisions we would be top now.
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 27, 2020 21:34:51 GMT
I’m still gonna give him another 7 league games as I said I’d give him 10 before judging. It certainly doesn’t look good at the moment but I’ve watched enough football over the years to know things can turn around quickly. I didn't know Wael had moved to Yatton
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 27, 2020 21:38:04 GMT
It's a new team a new style a new season. BG will be given chance to show it will work. If the team fall 12 points from safety he will go regardless. Anymore would be too big a job for a new manager . 5 games of struggle 5 games of levelling off 5 games of upward movement. Keep it simple Ben. Mark the man not the space. Close down quick and double up quickly. Encourage midfield to shoot as often as possible. Encourage wingers to stay wide and whip crosses in. Good luck. Who is in the midle to head those in?
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Post by yattongas on Sept 27, 2020 22:04:22 GMT
I’m still gonna give him another 7 league games as I said I’d give him 10 before judging. It certainly doesn’t look good at the moment but I’ve watched enough football over the years to know things can turn around quickly. I didn't know Wael had moved to Yatton Why would he choose anywhere else to live ?
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Post by playtowin on Sept 27, 2020 23:07:10 GMT
It's a new team a new style a new season. BG will be given chance to show it will work. If the team fall 12 points from safety he will go regardless. Anymore would be too big a job for a new manager . 5 games of struggle 5 games of levelling off 5 games of upward movement. Keep it simple Ben. Mark the man not the space. Close down quick and double up quickly. Encourage midfield to shoot as often as possible. Encourage wingers to stay wide and whip crosses in. Good luck. Who is in the midle to head those in? Who ever is running into the box I guess if it's a high cross they may be low crosses too. Cureton scored a surprising amount of headed goals for a little guy.
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Post by swissgas on Sept 28, 2020 0:25:08 GMT
I didn't know Wael had moved to Yatton Why would he choose anywhere else to live ? He won’t get many photo opportunities though. Most of the celebrities moved away years ago
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Post by fanatical on Sept 28, 2020 9:23:27 GMT
Why would he choose anywhere else to live ? He won’t get many photo opportunities though. Most of the celebrities moved away years ago But they might move back knowing that Wael is living there
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