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Post by dragonfly on Sept 27, 2020 11:15:29 GMT
What a load of tosh. BG hasn't lost the dressing room, senior and younger players like his methods and are desperate to be able to get it going on the pitch, nobody is looking for an easy way out. As for the Rodman injured "again" comment. He had an ear infection which left him with vertigo, he's practically pulling his hair out with frustration of not being able to be involved. He was back in training, and moving towards match fitness, when it flared up again. Rather unfair to use that as evidence of him being injury prone. I certainly think it would help to have a couple of those experienced players in amongst the youngsters. I had vertigo from an inner ear infection which took 18 months to kind of settle down. GP said it would be gone in 2 weeks - he lied and 25 years later I still have a degree of vertigo and it really f-cks you up. I hope Rodman fully recovers. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 27, 2020 11:16:26 GMT
I rarely agree with GGMI but he has a point about experienced players not playing and our performances suggest we need ore of that quality. The make up of the team is not really a surprise if you look at the CV's of the manager and his recently appointed no 2. I think teams need a balance of youth and experience and when a team is struggling the younger heads drop first. That can also be said for the management and with Ben being a rookie Manager I am surprised we havent got an "old head" in the set up. Good Post. Too much inexperience/lack of leadership qualities off and on the pitch. |
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 27, 2020 11:22:24 GMT
Niave and innocent. Have a look at the sunderland game last season. where did that performance come from and for who?that was one drop of rain in a desert since this guy came In. It certainly wasnt any rain dance from groaner I think that game the players took it upon themselves to play the "Coughlin" game rather than the "Garner" game, especially as it was Craigs 500th game. on another note, a few years ago on of our players told me that if we were arawy up North on a Tuesday night, Sammy Igoe used to phone in sick  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 11:26:54 GMT
Little's off to see a specialist next week so his injury does sound fake and I doubt he'd want BG to be sacked when he's a first choice RB, Upson was on the bench and Hare, plus Kelly, travelled but wasn't chosen for the bench, I can't see Nicholson's faking an injury. So that leaves just Rodman and he must be an well of a con artist if he's faking dizzy spells, or BG a convincing liar! Baldwin is an odd one, as if he can't get in our 1st team then why the hell did BG sign him I assume on decent L1 wages? BG said before the game that Hare and Kelly both travelled carrying slight knocks, had fitness tests before the game and failed them. |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Sept 27, 2020 11:33:52 GMT
Sometimes footballers just get injured. Not sure we need to invent conspiracy theories. GGMI just creates threads to satisfy his attention seeking. |
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Post by RD on Sept 27, 2020 11:40:59 GMT
Yet another pathetic thread Seriously, can you please start contributing something to this forum? Every post you've ever made is a one liner, slating other posts and/or forum members. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 27, 2020 12:30:16 GMT
I rarely agree with GGMI but he has a point about experienced players not playing and our performances suggest we need ore of that quality. The make up of the team is not really a surprise if you look at the CV's of the manager and his recently appointed no 2. I think teams need a balance of youth and experience and when a team is struggling the younger heads drop first. That can also be said for the management and with Ben being a rookie Manager I am surprised we havent got an "old head" in the set up. Good Post. Too much inexperience/lack of leadership qualities off and on the pitch. But isn't that solely down to Wael? He's playing football club ownership like a Football Manager game not real life using a bit of common sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 13:35:53 GMT
Sometimes footballers just get injured. Not sure we need to invent conspiracy theories. GGMI just creates threads to satisfy his attention seeking. Spot on |
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Post by wertongas on Sept 27, 2020 13:58:54 GMT
I took one look at the team selection yesterday and could only see defeat.No natural right back no experienced midfielder and no one to feed off of Hanlon up front without an experienced defensive midfielder there was no one to protect our defence and pick up the loose ball in front of the defence. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but I do believe BG needs someone to help him with his team selection, we need Ogogo back in the team and not leave our most experienced players on the bench or out of the team and experiment with a load of youngster when playing away to a quality team like Doncaster.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 27, 2020 15:00:44 GMT
Not sure but is Doncaster starting 11 average younger then our 11?obviously not inc coppinger
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 28, 2020 11:26:15 GMT
Lets face it, it was crap. He got rid of too many experienced players and replaced them with too many with no experience. It is a plan doomed to failure. At most he should only have changed 5 of the squad
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 28, 2020 12:23:30 GMT
I took one look at the team selection yesterday and could only see defeat.No natural right back no experienced midfielder and no one to feed off of Hanlon up front without an experienced defensive midfielder there was no one to protect our defence and pick up the loose ball in front of the defence. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but I do believe BG needs someone to help him with his team selection, we need Ogogo back in the team and not leave our most experienced players on the bench or out of the team and experiment with a load of youngster when playing away to a quality team like Doncaster. Not really BG's fault Little's another sicknote and Hare couldn't be risked due to his previous injury, perhaps somebody could explain what BG was supposed to do? As far as Ogogo who's decided to effectively ostracize him, BG or Wael, it seems odd that every experienced player is being forced out, just like GC apparently suggested would be happening just before he quit. Upson now seems out of favour so only Rodman & Little remain and both of those are now out injured!! Are we really shooting the messenger in BG when the problem is all down to Weal? |
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 28, 2020 12:58:04 GMT
I took one look at the team selection yesterday and could only see defeat.No natural right back no experienced midfielder and no one to feed off of Hanlon up front without an experienced defensive midfielder there was no one to protect our defence and pick up the loose ball in front of the defence. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but I do believe BG needs someone to help him with his team selection, we need Ogogo back in the team and not leave our most experienced players on the bench or out of the team and experiment with a load of youngster when playing away to a quality team like Doncaster. Not really BG's fault Little's another sicknote and Hare couldn't be risked due to his previous injury, perhaps somebody could explain what BG was supposed to do? As far as Ogogo who's decided to effectively ostracize him, BG or Wael, it seems odd that every experienced player is being forced out, just like GC apparently suggested would be happening just before he quit. Upson now seems out of favour so only Rodman & Little remain and both of those are now out injured!! Are we really shooting the messenger in BG when the problem is all down to Weal? Would we have signed Ehmer if we didn't want any experienced player's and wanted to get rid of them all?? Think Garner chooses to sign young up and coming player's and player's like Ogogo doesn fit into the way he wants to play. It's a risky strategy. Some of these player's might be great in a year or two, but we need more player's that are ready to hit the ground running now. |
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Sept 28, 2020 14:30:04 GMT
Not sure but is Doncaster starting 11 average younger then our 11?obviously not inc coppinger Just (23.5 to our 23.8) but Anssi is mainly responsible for that. Bursik 20 Halliday 25 Wright 25 Anderson 27 James 26 Whiteman 24 Gomes 23 Taylor 28 Richards 19 Lokilo 22 John-Jules 19 Anssi, Ehmer and Leahy were the only older heads for us, with the rest of the starting XI 23 or under. |
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Sept 28, 2020 14:36:58 GMT
Not really BG's fault Little's another sicknote and Hare couldn't be risked due to his previous injury, perhaps somebody could explain what BG was supposed to do? As far as Ogogo who's decided to effectively ostracize him, BG or Wael, it seems odd that every experienced player is being forced out, just like GC apparently suggested would be happening just before he quit. Upson now seems out of favour so only Rodman & Little remain and both of those are now out injured!! Are we really shooting the messenger in BG when the problem is all down to Weal? Would we have signed Ehmer if we didn't want any experienced player's and wanted to get rid of them all?? Think Garner chooses to sign young up and coming player's and player's like Ogogo doesn fit into the way he wants to play. It's a risky strategy. Some of these player's might be great in a year or two, but we need more player's that are ready to hit the ground running now. It would have made far more sense to see how things went in the first few games before telling Ogogo he wasn't needed. We certainly need him now! |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 14:42:01 GMT
Would we have signed Ehmer if we didn't want any experienced player's and wanted to get rid of them all?? Think Garner chooses to sign young up and coming player's and player's like Ogogo doesn fit into the way he wants to play. It's a risky strategy. Some of these player's might be great in a year or two, but we need more player's that are ready to hit the ground running now. It would have made far more sense to see how things went in the first few games before telling Ogogo he wasn't needed. We certainly need him now! Yes, agree! Especially so publicly, not to even register him. It's a resonance of the same principle mistake DC done by publicly telling Mildenhall his services were no longer required......then eating humble pie some time later. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 28, 2020 14:55:07 GMT
Would we have signed Ehmer if we didn't want any experienced player's and wanted to get rid of them all?? Think Garner chooses to sign young up and coming player's and player's like Ogogo doesn fit into the way he wants to play. It's a risky strategy. Some of these player's might be great in a year or two, but we need more player's that are ready to hit the ground running now. It would have made far more sense to see how things went in the first few games before telling Ogogo he wasn't needed. We certainly need him now! True but this season is different, because you can only have so many in the squad. Does anyone know how often you can change the squad?? If someone new did come in and wanted Ogogo to play, could he be added and someone else removed etc?? Or is it once you have played, you count as a player, unless you are sold? I've not really read anything explaining it in great detail yet. |
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Sept 28, 2020 15:00:30 GMT
It would have made far more sense to see how things went in the first few games before telling Ogogo he wasn't needed. We certainly need him now! True but this season is different, because you can only have so many in the squad. Does anyone know how often you can change the squad?? If someone new did come in and wanted Ogogo to play, could he be added and someone else removed etc?? Or is it once you have played, you count as a player, unless you are sold? I've not really read anything explaining it in great detail yet.  |
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Post by Westy on Sept 28, 2020 22:31:23 GMT
I rarely agree with GGMI but he has a point about experienced players not playing and our performances suggest we need ore of that quality. The make up of the team is not really a surprise if you look at the CV's of the manager and his recently appointed no 2. I think teams need a balance of youth and experience and when a team is struggling the younger heads drop first. That can also be said for the management and with Ben being a rookie Manager I am surprised we havent got an "old head" in the set up. Good Post. Too much inexperience/lack of leadership qualities off and on the pitch. "you'll never win with younglegs if you haven't got old heads" Original Westy 😎 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 8:26:46 GMT
I took one look at the team selection yesterday and could only see defeat.No natural right back no experienced midfielder and no one to feed off of Hanlon up front without an experienced defensive midfielder there was no one to protect our defence and pick up the loose ball in front of the defence. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but I do believe BG needs someone to help him with his team selection, we need Ogogo back in the team and not leave our most experienced players on the bench or out of the team and experiment with a load of youngster when playing away to a quality team like Doncaster. Not really BG's fault Little's another sicknote and Hare couldn't be risked due to his previous injury, perhaps somebody could explain what BG was supposed to do? As far as Ogogo who's decided to effectively ostracize him, BG or Wael, it seems odd that every experienced player is being forced out, just like GC apparently suggested would be happening just before he quit. Upson now seems out of favour so only Rodman & Little remain and both of those are now out injured!! Are we really shooting the messenger in BG when the problem is all down to Weal? I swear people have selective memory..... it's been said that the reason Bennett and Ogogo have been told they are not part of the plans going forward is because of financial reasons and style of play. Neither have been given a squad number because if they were then their wages would count towards the playing budget and as both are extremely high earners for league 1, we would reach or exceed the cap. We have a choice - add them to the squad and have no flex in the winter transfer window or to get in another striker or leave them out as we have and have that flexibility. As for BG losing the dressing room or purposely leaving out experienced players or even players feigning injury, that's just fanciful conspiracy theory thinking. BG explained the absences and I bet if he could he would have loved to have had them available. It's no coincidence that despite a positive start, once the goal went in the heads dropped and same happened with ipswich. Upson, whilst I think is overly criticised and underrated by many would not have been the right type of player to bring on when you're chasing a game and personally I think BG made the right subs.... the issue was that the players didn't perform and the ref made it an uphill task. I appreciate the concerns at results and many don't want BG but the constant crusade against him is getting beyond a joke. What happens if we win 2 or 3 games in the next few matches? Will this crusade still continue? Realistically how many people expected us to get any wins from Sunderland, Ipswich or Doncaster? Or that those games would be ones that we could dominate? I didn't but maybe I'm the odd one out? |
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