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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 3, 2020 14:36:43 GMT
Crowd numbers kept deliberately lower due to Covid, perhaps? Also Trump's die hard supporters seem a lot more dismissive of the risks so wouldn't be concerned about spreading as many others may be. The question is Does Trump's core base, people blind enough to catch the bubonic plague for him, make up a significant amount of the record 90,000,000 people already voted. Do they make up a significant amount of the 100,000s of mail in votes yet to be counted. There is a reason Trump and his lawyers have been running around the country trying to get the courts to deny States counting those votes. There is a reason why Trump has encouraged his armed militia supporters to man the polling stations today. Fascism starts from a place like this. From what I have heard, Democrat supporters tend to vote early and Republican supporters on the day, so your suggestion of trying to discount postal votes and maximise on the day is very real. Seems the area of contention is the inclusion of late ballots. This is something the US military have done for years so why it's a problem with the civilian side is political, not anti democratic. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 14:43:24 GMT
The question is Does Trump's core base, people blind enough to catch the bubonic plague for him, make up a significant amount of the record 90,000,000 people already voted. Do they make up a significant amount of the 100,000s of mail in votes yet to be counted. There is a reason Trump and his lawyers have been running around the country trying to get the courts to deny States counting those votes. There is a reason why Trump has encouraged his armed militia supporters to man the polling stations today. Fascism starts from a place like this. From what I have heard, Democrat supporters tend to vote early and Republican supporters on the day, so your suggestion of trying to discount postal votes and maximise on the day is very real. Seems the area of contention is the inclusion of late ballots. This is something the US military have done for years so why it's a problem with the civilian side is political, not anti democratic. Correct. Postal voting has been a long standing practice in the States, rules varying from State to State. It's only this President that has sought to subvert them. Fortunately, so far, the judiciary has resisted him. However, if for any reason to this goes all the way to the Supreme Court, then we will find out why Trump was so keen to get his nomination approved pre election. |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 3, 2020 14:59:22 GMT
From what I have heard, Democrat supporters tend to vote early and Republican supporters on the day, so your suggestion of trying to discount postal votes and maximise on the day is very real. Seems the area of contention is the inclusion of late ballots. This is something the US military have done for years so why it's a problem with the civilian side is political, not anti democratic. Correct. Postal voting has been a long standing practice in the States, rules varying from State to State. It's only this President that has sought to subvert them. Fortunately, so far, the judiciary has resisted him. However, if for any reason to this goes all the way to the Supreme Court, then we will find out why Trump was so keen to get his nomination approved pre election. Postal voting has indeed been a long standing practice in the States. The absentee voting system, where if you're out of state, travelling, or are unable to make it to the polling station, you are able to request that your ballot is sent to you and mail it back. This is not what the issue is though, the issue is the automatic sending out of tens of millions of mail in ballots, which will in many cases be duplicates, will be sent to former addresses of people, etc, America doesn't have the capacity to count all these votes(which also don't need signatures by the way) on election day. There's plenty of Supreme Court judges who have said that it's not sound and the extension for counting all these Mail in votes is absurd. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 15:51:49 GMT
Correct. Postal voting has been a long standing practice in the States, rules varying from State to State. It's only this President that has sought to subvert them. Fortunately, so far, the judiciary has resisted him. However, if for any reason to this goes all the way to the Supreme Court, then we will find out why Trump was so keen to get his nomination approved pre election. Postal voting has indeed been a long standing practice in the States. The absentee voting system, where if you're out of state, travelling, or are unable to make it to the polling station, you are able to request that your ballot is sent to you and mail it back. This is not what the issue is though, the issue is the automatic sending out of tens of millions of mail in ballots, which will in many cases be duplicates, will be sent to former addresses of people, etc, America doesn't have the capacity to count all these votes(which also don't need signatures by the way) on election day. There's plenty of Supreme Court judges who have said that it's not sound and the extension for counting all these Mail in votes is absurd. There is no evidence of duplication, or should I say duplicate returns or votes being made. Not one State has said that they will not be able to count them (as far as I am aware). There is only one man afraid of ensuring people's voices are heard. |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 3, 2020 16:03:01 GMT
Postal voting has indeed been a long standing practice in the States. The absentee voting system, where if you're out of state, travelling, or are unable to make it to the polling station, you are able to request that your ballot is sent to you and mail it back. This is not what the issue is though, the issue is the automatic sending out of tens of millions of mail in ballots, which will in many cases be duplicates, will be sent to former addresses of people, etc, America doesn't have the capacity to count all these votes(which also don't need signatures by the way) on election day. There's plenty of Supreme Court judges who have said that it's not sound and the extension for counting all these Mail in votes is absurd. There is no evidence of duplication, or should I say duplicate returns or votes being made. Not one State has said that they will not be able to count them (as far as I am aware). There is only one man afraid of ensuring people's voices are heard. I know for certain Wisconsin has. The Supreme Court has blocked any extension there. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 3, 2020 16:13:22 GMT
There is no evidence of duplication, or should I say duplicate returns or votes being made. Not one State has said that they will not be able to count them (as far as I am aware). There is only one man afraid of ensuring people's voices are heard. I know for certain Wisconsin has. The Supreme Court has blocked any extension there. Ah Trump's Supreme Court the equivalent of Hitlers Volksgerichtshof! |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 3, 2020 16:23:27 GMT
I know for certain Wisconsin has. The Supreme Court has blocked any extension there. Ah Trump's Supreme Court the equivalent of Hitlers Volksgerichtschof! They had a democratic vote. The decision was 5 to 3 in favour of not allowing the extension. What more do you want? The supreme court have allowed Pensylvania and North Carolina to have an extension. For the same reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 16:24:13 GMT
There is no evidence of duplication, or should I say duplicate returns or votes being made. Not one State has said that they will not be able to count them (as far as I am aware). There is only one man afraid of ensuring people's voices are heard. I know for certain Wisconsin has. The Supreme Court has blocked any extension there. Wisconsin has what? Tis true the Courts turned down their request to count postal ballots received after the polls close on polling day. Some States have such a provision in place, Wisconsin does not. Strange decision given the exceptional circumstances there. To wit "The party is also in search of missing absentee ballots. About 1,778,157 Wisconsin voters have requested absentee ballots, and of those, 1,451,462 have either returned them or cast their votes in person. That means 326,695 ballots are still out there, according to the latest figures released by the Wisconsin Elections Commission. With the state shattering its own records this week for new coronavirus cases and deaths, the challenge may come down to making sure those voters leave their homes to turn in their ballots." What would drive any party or person to deny those people the right to vote? Ah well it will be what it will be. But it's not about double counting or fraud. That's just the Trump playbook. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 16:25:25 GMT
I know for certain Wisconsin has. The Supreme Court has blocked any extension there. Ah Trump's Supreme Court the equivalent of Hitlers Volksgerichtshof! Indeed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 16:25:50 GMT
One thing almost certain in a liberal democracy, the ruling class stay in power.
We argue about in mail ballots, they count their expanding pot of cash. Deal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 16:28:17 GMT
One thing almost certain in a liberal democracy, the ruling class stay in power. We argue about in mail ballots, they count their expanding pot of cash. Deal. At some point soon, there is a need to debate your points. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 3, 2020 16:32:48 GMT
Ah Trump's Supreme Court the equivalent of Hitlers Volksgerichtschof! They had a democratic vote. The decision was 5 to 3 in favour of not allowing the extension. What more do you want? The supreme court have allowed Pensylvania and North Carolina to have an extension. For the same reason. I would like to see a Supreme Court that is representative of the population not stacked by right wing neo cons. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 16:42:20 GMT
They had a democratic vote. The decision was 5 to 3 in favour of not allowing the extension. What more do you want? The supreme court have allowed Pensylvania and North Carolina to have an extension. For the same reason. I would like to see a Supreme Court that is representative of the population not stacked by right wing neo cons. This. Absolutely 👌 |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 3, 2020 16:44:10 GMT
They had a democratic vote. The decision was 5 to 3 in favour of not allowing the extension. What more do you want? The supreme court have allowed Pensylvania and North Carolina to have an extension. For the same reason. I would like to see a Supreme Court that is representative of the population not stacked by right wing neo cons. Well it is. The supreme court have allowed extensions in some states and not in others. We'll see what the US population feel in due course. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 3, 2020 17:23:42 GMT
I 100% agree. You need to only look at the crowds Trumps getting and the see the one's Biden isn't.... Biden stopped touring due to being unable to stop making himself look like a tool when he talks, and he is also un- willing to talk about that mess he calls a son which he would be questioned on if on stage. Real attracts real and whether you like him or not Donald tells it as it is and people contact with it. Crowd numbers kept deliberately lower due to Covid, perhaps? Also Trump's die hard supporters seem a lot more dismissive of the risks so wouldn't be concerned about spreading as many others may be. Sorry your talking complete bollox there. How are DT supporters more dismissive of C19 the anyone else? Where's the evidence? C19 is an excuse to use more virtue signalling by the left. C19 was the 24th in terms of loss of human life just a couple of weeks ago based on stats. Also,are these the same polls that said Clinton was going to win in 2016? That Brexit wasn't going to happen ? or that BJ wouldn't win the BE last year? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 17:27:18 GMT
Crowd numbers kept deliberately lower due to Covid, perhaps? Also Trump's die hard supporters seem a lot more dismissive of the risks so wouldn't be concerned about spreading as many others may be. Sorry your talking complete bollox there. How are DT supporters more dismissive of C19 the anyone else? Where's the evidence? C19 is an excuse to use more virtue signalling by the left. C19 was the 24th in terms of loss of human life just a couple of weeks ago based on stats. Also,are these the same polls that said Clinton was going to win in 2016? That Brexit wasn't going to happen ? or that BJ wouldn't win the BE last year? Are you serious? "How are DT supporters more dismissive of C19 the anyone else? Where's the evidence?" The list is as long as your arm...starting at the White House |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 3, 2020 20:08:34 GMT
Crowd numbers kept deliberately lower due to Covid, perhaps? Also Trump's die hard supporters seem a lot more dismissive of the risks so wouldn't be concerned about spreading as many others may be. Sorry your talking complete bollox there. How are DT supporters more dismissive of C19 the anyone else? Where's the evidence? C19 is an excuse to use more virtue signalling by the left. C19 was the 24th in terms of loss of human life just a couple of weeks ago based on stats. Also,are these the same polls that said Clinton was going to win in 2016? That Brexit wasn't going to happen ? or that BJ wouldn't win the BE last year? QED. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 3, 2020 22:24:08 GMT
Crowd numbers kept deliberately lower due to Covid, perhaps? Also Trump's die hard supporters seem a lot more dismissive of the risks so wouldn't be concerned about spreading as many others may be. Sorry your talking complete bollox there. How are DT supporters more dismissive of C19 the anyone else? Where's the evidence? C19 is an excuse to use more virtue signalling by the left. C19 was the 24th in terms of loss of human life just a couple of weeks ago based on stats. Also,are these the same polls that said Clinton was going to win in 2016? That Brexit wasn't going to happen ? or that BJ wouldn't win the BE last year? Cuckoo |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 4, 2020 6:51:11 GMT
Looks like its coming down to the postal votes in a few key states
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Post by axegas on Nov 4, 2020 7:35:49 GMT
Looks like its coming down to the postal votes in a few key states Winconsin, Pennsylvania and Georgia look to be the deciders. Lots of postal votes still to come in and Trumps only got a 120,000 lead in Georgia with urban ballots still to be counted. I think Biden has Nevada, Arizona and Maine wrapped up, similarly Trump seems to have Alaska and North Carolina in the bag. Will come down to who can secure a majority in the mid western states, would have Biden at a small advantage but we’ll see. Could be a while till we know the final results, mind. |
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