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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 4, 2020 9:58:08 GMT
He was unbearable before,if he does win what does this say about America? , To me it says America need better candidates. Simple. I think everybody agrees that Trump shouldn't be anywhere near the White House, he's a celebrity billionaire businessman. If, which is looking very likely he wins the election and gets a 2nd term, the Democrats, just like Labour here, need a complete overhaul. They're an embarrassment, quite frankly. Isn't it the logical conclusion to capitalism? That the billionaire businessman becomes king? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 10:57:38 GMT
To me it says America need better candidates. Simple. I think everybody agrees that Trump shouldn't be anywhere near the White House, he's a celebrity billionaire businessman. If, which is looking very likely he wins the election and gets a 2nd term, the Democrats, just like Labour here, need a complete overhaul. They're an embarrassment, quite frankly. Isn't it the logical conclusion to capitalism? That the billionaire businessman becomes king? . More income distribution I think. But Gastafari is right, the Democrats did not offer an articulate policy platform for people to vote FOR. Labour should learn that lesson here. Beating up Johnson is too easy, they need to offer more than "we are not Johnson & Co |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 10:59:15 GMT
Biden has taken the lead in Wisconsin, going strong in Pennsylvania too. This is far from over. Milwaukee, Green Bay, Philly. Strong democrat areas whose early and mail in votes are only now being counted |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 11:00:53 GMT
But anyway.
The Democrats are not going to win the Senate. Which paralyses policy implementation.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 4, 2020 11:16:43 GMT
I know it's not that straight forward, but it seems to be down to who wins Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
Whoever wins two of those States gets over the line.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 11:26:25 GMT
I know it's not that straight forward, but it seems to be down to who wins Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Whoever wins two of those States gets over the line. Yep. And,breaking it down, Milwaukee tipped Biden into the lead in Wisconsin, with Green Bay area Tobe counted. Green Bay voted heavily for Clinton in 2016. Philly is huge for Biden, win that area he takes PA. Michigan, Detroit.....who knows Nevada is a toss up, but may become important if it's really really tight. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 4, 2020 11:38:20 GMT
I know it's not that straight forward, but it seems to be down to who wins Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Whoever wins two of those States gets over the line. Yep. And,breaking it down, Milwaukee tipped Biden into the lead in Wisconsin, with Green Bay area Tobe counted. Green Bay voted heavily for Clinton in 2016. Philly is huge for Biden, win that area he takes PA. Michigan, Detroit.....who knows Nevada is a toss up, but may become important if it's really really tight. Or even the split in the Supreme Court, 6:3 in favour of the Republicans although I understand from Sky one is quite supportive of Democrat views meaning 5:4. Goes to show how important Trump getting his nomination in before the election could be. |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 4, 2020 11:38:40 GMT
I know it's not that straight forward, but it seems to be down to who wins Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Whoever wins two of those States gets over the line. Yeah I think thats about right. Pensylvania is the one, Philadelphia like the majority of the big cities in the US always vote Democrat, but its whether Biden will get the amount to sway it, he's roughly 700,000 votes behind in Pensylvania as it stands, whether he can claw that back just from Philly is yet to been. I dont think we'll get the results from there for at least a couple of days. Its certainly going right down to the wire. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 12:00:35 GMT
Neoliberal centrism has a lot to answer for.
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 4, 2020 13:38:49 GMT
He was unbearable before,if he does win what does this say about America? , To me it says America need better candidates. Simple. I think everybody agrees that Trump shouldn't be anywhere near the White House, he's a celebrity billionaire businessman. If, which is looking very likely he wins the election and gets a 2nd term, the Democrats, just like Labour here, need a complete overhaul. They're an embarrassment, quite frankly. It's not about the Candidates for me what I'm interested in is how a potential majority of voters (tens of millions)can vote for a misogynist, bully and self centred individual who uses the Office of President as a platform to enrich himself and stroke his ego. What is wrong with American Society? |
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Post by baggins on Nov 4, 2020 13:55:09 GMT
To me it says America need better candidates. Simple. I think everybody agrees that Trump shouldn't be anywhere near the White House, he's a celebrity billionaire businessman. If, which is looking very likely he wins the election and gets a 2nd term, the Democrats, just like Labour here, need a complete overhaul. They're an embarrassment, quite frankly. It's not about the Candidates for me what I'm interested in is how a potential majority of voters (tens of millions)can vote for a misogynist, bully and self centred individual who uses the Office of President as a platform to enrich himself and stroke his ego. What is wrong with American Society? Far too many retired well off white Americans, that's the problem. |
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Post by LJG on Nov 4, 2020 14:02:55 GMT
To me it says America need better candidates. Simple. I think everybody agrees that Trump shouldn't be anywhere near the White House, he's a celebrity billionaire businessman. If, which is looking very likely he wins the election and gets a 2nd term, the Democrats, just like Labour here, need a complete overhaul. They're an embarrassment, quite frankly. It's not about the Candidates for me what I'm interested in is how a potential majority of voters (tens of millions)can vote for a misogynist, bully and self centred individual who uses the Office of President as a platform to enrich himself and stroke his ego. What is wrong with American Society? I think messaging is always key. Sadly, for several years, the left, pretty much the world over, has lost the ability to put forward prospective policy but rather relies on the campaign strategy of telling people off - a classic example on Radio Bristol this morning; one Republican voter living in Somerset, one Democrat in Bristol - the Republican put forward her view of Trump's last term couched in a fairly neutral way and when asked if there was a middle ground, the Democrat lady simply responded by admonishing the Republican for being a white woman of privilege and, as I understand it, thinking things. Now, whatever your position on either of those perspectives is surely anyone would rather hear what your side stands for rather than simply what you're against. Thankfully Keir Starmer seems to be a little above this sort of thing and is a bit more positive - other seniors in his shadow cabinet less so (Angela Rayner for example). But really left wing politics needs to learn - the way to change a person's mind is not to just hector them. Otherwise you get this sort of thing. Opinion polls show massive left gains, then when people get in the voting booth, where they can't be told off anymore, do they say what they really think. |
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Post by axegas on Nov 4, 2020 14:05:03 GMT
Michigan and Wisconsin now both leaning in Biden’s favour with the democrats holding on in Nevada. Looks like we could be seeing Trump out of the White House in January after all, excellent.
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 4, 2020 14:10:54 GMT
Michigan and Wisconsin now both leaning in Biden’s favour with the democrats holding on in Nevada. Looks like we could be seeing Trump out of the White House in January after all, excellent. Even if it does, very doubtful they'll win the senate. So not much difference, really. |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 4, 2020 14:12:09 GMT
It's not about the Candidates for me what I'm interested in is how a potential majority of voters (tens of millions)can vote for a misogynist, bully and self centred individual who uses the Office of President as a platform to enrich himself and stroke his ego. What is wrong with American Society? I think messaging is always key. Sadly, for several years, the left, pretty much the world over, has lost the ability to put forward prospective policy but rather relies on the campaign strategy of telling people off - a classic example on Radio Bristol this morning; one Republican voter living in Somerset, one Democrat in Bristol - the Republican put forward her view of Trump's last term couched in a fairly neutral way and when asked if there was a middle ground, the Democrat lady simply responded by admonishing the Republican for being a white woman of privilege and, as I understand it, thinking things. Now, whatever your position on either of those perspectives is surely anyone would rather hear what your side stands for rather than simply what you're against. Thankfully Keir Starmer seems to be a little above this sort of thing and is a bit more positive - other seniors in his shadow cabinet less so (Angela Rayner for example). But really left wing politics needs to learn - the way to change a person's mind is not to just hector them. Otherwise you get this sort of thing. Opinion polls show massive left gains, then when people get in the voting booth, where they can't be told off anymore, do they say what they really think. Not a bad summary, there. Right Wing bad, Left Wing good, is the rhetoric. You only have to see that in the polls, where they are always the same, yet are light years away from the reality. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 4, 2020 14:13:37 GMT
It's not about the Candidates for me what I'm interested in is how a potential majority of voters (tens of millions)can vote for a misogynist, bully and self centred individual who uses the Office of President as a platform to enrich himself and stroke his ego. What is wrong with American Society? I think messaging is always key. Sadly, for several years, the left, pretty much the world over, has lost the ability to put forward prospective policy but rather relies on the campaign strategy of telling people off - a classic example on Radio Bristol this morning; one Republican voter living in Somerset, one Democrat in Bristol - the Republican put forward her view of Trump's last term couched in a fairly neutral way and when asked if there was a middle ground, the Democrat lady simply responded by admonishing the Republican for being a white woman of privilege and, as I understand it, thinking things. Now, whatever your position on either of those perspectives is surely anyone would rather hear what your side stands for rather than simply what you're against. Thankfully Keir Starmer seems to be a little above this sort of thing and is a bit more positive - other seniors in his shadow cabinet less so (Angela Rayner for example). But really left wing politics needs to learn - the way to change a person's mind is not to just hector them. Otherwise you get this sort of thing. Opinion polls show massive left gains, then when people get in the voting booth, where they can't be told off anymore, do they say what they really think. Your last point is one I mentioned during the last GE here, a party is not going to win unless they can appeal to the centre ground. That will mean compromising on a number of areas of policy. Better to be in a position to enact 2/3rds of your ideal polices than forever remain in opposition. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 4, 2020 14:14:52 GMT
To me it says America need better candidates. Simple. I think everybody agrees that Trump shouldn't be anywhere near the White House, he's a celebrity billionaire businessman. If, which is looking very likely he wins the election and gets a 2nd term, the Democrats, just like Labour here, need a complete overhaul. They're an embarrassment, quite frankly. It's not about the Candidates for me what I'm interested in is how a potential majority of voters (tens of millions)can vote for a misogynist, bully and self centred individual who uses the Office of President as a platform to enrich himself and stroke his ego. What is wrong with American Society? Agreed, careful though as there are some parallels here. |
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Post by axegas on Nov 4, 2020 14:17:56 GMT
Michigan and Wisconsin now both leaning in Biden’s favour with the democrats holding on in Nevada. Looks like we could be seeing Trump out of the White House in January after all, excellent. Even if it does, very doubtful they'll win the senate. So not much difference, really. Trump will be out of the White House and someone can manage the Coronavirus situation who actually takes it seriously. That’s a big step forward for Americans. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 4, 2020 14:25:28 GMT
Even if it does, very doubtful they'll win the senate. So not much difference, really. Trump will be out of the White House and someone can manage the Coronavirus situation who actually takes it seriously. That’s a big step forward for Americans. Got an awful feeling we'll see the idiot celebrating a 2nd term. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 4, 2020 14:29:38 GMT
Watching the bookies odds is interesting .... lots of fluctuations throughout the morning . Biden currently 1/4 odds on .
Although Nigel Fartage has bet £10,000 on a Trump win .
It was pretty obvious that Trump thought he’d lost or knew he was gonna lose when he said what he said earlier .
Setting the narrative ( which he’s been setting up for months) there’s fraud with the Mail in votes . Totally and utterly without any evidence whatsoever.
Fingers crossed 🤞
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