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Post by gregsy on Nov 7, 2020 20:13:02 GMT
I am.... I don't believe much that he has to say mind, but I do believe its important to have people out there with alternative views that folk get the chance to listen to.... Out of interest .... what bits do you believe? That's difficult to explain.... But I'll try.... The fact that icke has been silenced by various institutions, twitter, Facebook etc, actually makes me think that his thoughts and conspiracy's are only a small part of his objective.... I generally believe that all theories should be available to the public and we should have the means to make our own conclusions.... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 21:03:40 GMT
Out of interest .... what bits do you believe? That's difficult to explain.... But I'll try.... The fact that icke has been silenced by various institutions, twitter, Facebook etc, actually makes me think that his thoughts and conspiracy's are only a small part of his objective.... I generally believe that all theories should be available to the public and we should have the means to make our own conclusions.... The fact that gastafari has linked a video of the interview suggests its all out there if people really want to find it. That certain institutions choose not to publish is their choice, surely? That most people are not interested is probably because most people think its bollox. You can buy Mein Kampf if you so choose, most dont for the same reason. |
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Post by gregsy on Nov 7, 2020 21:14:48 GMT
That's difficult to explain.... But I'll try.... The fact that icke has been silenced by various institutions, twitter, Facebook etc, actually makes me think that his thoughts and conspiracy's are only a small part of his objective.... I generally believe that all theories should be available to the public and we should have the means to make our own conclusions.... The fact that gastafari has linked a video of the interview suggests its all out there if people really want to find it. That certain institutions choose not to publish is their choice, surely? That most people are not interested is probably because most people think its bollox. You can buy Mein Kampf if you so choose, most dont for the same reason. But isn't it the case that if 'certain' opinions are moved out of the mainstream and others are not then you have only selective information available to the masses? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 21:21:17 GMT
I thought that this may end up in a lengthy legal battle. However that was only until Rudy came out this afternoon in front of a garage at the four seasons landscaping company after a cock up by their media team on venue booking. He demonstrated pretty clearly that they had absolutely nothing of substance to present in my opinion. I'm sure there will have been minor issues but I highly doubt anything systemic and would be surprised if it was worth 0.0001% of the votes. Meanwhile, Bidens lead in battleground states continues to increase. Time for Trump to pack his bags and move on. I wouldnt say his ideals have been rejected, he got a lot of votes and it was very close indeed. But he doesn't represent the majority and never did if you look at the popular votes. Trump cultists sounding a bit ridiculous on TV. The Trumpists are screaming nonsense. Unless there has been one hell of a cover up across several States, the chances of that? A few errors here or there, adding up to a couple of hundred tops. Thats what happened in 2016 when H Clinton challenged Wisconsin in an equally desperate bid to change the result. She lost by 1000s originally and the recount uncovered 140 votes (I think) If Arizona goes Bidens way as well he will have matched the 306 college vote Trump achieved in 2016. Thats a huge flip and win. With two Senate seats being re-run in January, which if the Republicans lose may flip the Senate, I think the Republican establishment will want to concentrate all their efforts in protecting those two seats, not back a dead horse like Trump. A lot of noise, but its over. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 21:28:16 GMT
The fact that gastafari has linked a video of the interview suggests its all out there if people really want to find it. That certain institutions choose not to publish is their choice, surely? That most people are not interested is probably because most people think its bollox. You can buy Mein Kampf if you so choose, most dont for the same reason. But isn't it the case that if 'certain' opinions are moved out of the mainstream and others are not then you have only selective information available to the masses? Twas always thus. For decades the press always ran the establishment's story. Certainly for most of my life; one good thing of the growth of other media sources is that ring of steel protecting the establishment has been broken. Now what the truth is, well thats for the individual to decide through evidence and peer verification. Repeating blindly what one person says is the opposite of that. Something we witness all too often on here. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 7, 2020 21:33:16 GMT
Out of interest .... what bits do you believe? I saw a video recently of a David Icke interview with Terry Wogan, I think it was late 80's, early 90's, and apart from the ramblings of spirits, aura and aligning planets, some of what he was saying has actually come to fruition over the last 30 years. You’ll have to remind me which bits ? I can remember watching it but totally forgotten what nonsense he was spouting .... apart from recalling he was rightly ridiculed at the time . Lizards 🦎 |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 7, 2020 21:34:50 GMT
The fact that gastafari has linked a video of the interview suggests its all out there if people really want to find it. That certain institutions choose not to publish is their choice, surely? That most people are not interested is probably because most people think its bollox. You can buy Mein Kampf if you so choose, most dont for the same reason. But isn't it the case that if 'certain' opinions are moved out of the mainstream and others are not then you have only selective information available to the masses? I agree, opinions and viewpoints should not be censored, within reason of course. Whether it's David Icke's or to the other extreme Alex Jones conspiracy theories, Owen Jones, Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson with their views. Everything should be able to be discussed, debated, mocked or ridiculed. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 7, 2020 23:15:40 GMT
Here's the video. A lot of nonsensical stuff, but some of it makes sense, today. That brought back a few memories, I remember the interview at the time. Not sure which bits you think make sense today. I enjoy a good conspiracy theory and would happily look at most things. There is a world of difference between opinion, theory and outright lies or misinformation. For example earlier this year Icke posted a photo on his twitter account of soliders marching past Westminster stating it was just taken and was evidence of a coup. Problem though is that the photo had the soldiers marching past Big Ben with no scaffolding. It was a stock photo from several years ago. |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 7, 2020 23:29:07 GMT
Here's the video. A lot of nonsensical stuff, but some of it makes sense, today. That brought back a few memories, I remember the interview at the time. Not sure which bits you think make sense today. I enjoy a good conspiracy theory and would happily look at most things. There is a world of difference between opinion, theory and outright lies or misinformation. For example earlier this year Icke posted a photo on his twitter account of soliders marching past Westminster stating it was just taken and was evidence of a coup. Problem though is that the photo had the soldiers in old uniforms and with old equipment, marching past Big Ben with no scaffolding. It was a stock photo from several years ago. I think he actually made some good points. Of course a lot of it is nonsensical mumbo jumbo. Many people see David Icke as an absolute nutjob, but is it any different than billions of people from all over the World believing their God is real, that Jesus was resurrected, that Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse, or Ganesha had the head of an Elephant? Why is religion deemed acceptable, yet people like David Icke aren't? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 7, 2020 23:40:40 GMT
That brought back a few memories, I remember the interview at the time. Not sure which bits you think make sense today. I enjoy a good conspiracy theory and would happily look at most things. There is a world of difference between opinion, theory and outright lies or misinformation. For example earlier this year Icke posted a photo on his twitter account of soliders marching past Westminster stating it was just taken and was evidence of a coup. Problem though is that the photo had the soldiers in old uniforms and with old equipment, marching past Big Ben with no scaffolding. It was a stock photo from several years ago. I think he actually made some good points. Of course a lot of it is nonsensical mumbo jumbo. Many people see David Icke as an absolute nutjob, but is it any different than billions of people from all over the World believing their God is real, that Jesus was resurrected, that Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse, or Ganesha had the head of an Elephant? Why is religion deemed acceptable, yet people like David Icke aren't? On religion I'd agree, as would most of us in this section (we tend to be heathens here). No problem with listening to anyone with these views and I wasn't laughing at the time nor now. I loved listening to Dave Barrett on GWR years ago with his debates on ghost, UFOs and the like. I just couldn't see where you thought his points were relevant to today. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 8, 2020 6:31:58 GMT
Here's the video. A lot of nonsensical stuff, but some of it makes sense, today. Love a good tracksuit. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 8, 2020 7:00:41 GMT
Easy tiger...He will become president in January, pending the outcome of any legal challenges...And there will be. Do I believe it be over turned, sadly not but there has been Injustice with voting fraud, but not enough that can be proven for it to be over turned. Evidence of fraud? Do you have any? There is plenty if you care to search online with an open mind which you wont...as anything shared here will just be rejected as lies unless it comes from a main stream media source or it fits into your views.That's always the case here on Gas chat. Let bottom line this, there has been a witch hunt against Trump from day one that he said he was running 5 years ago. Sexual scandals from his past,Russia involvement ,claimed racist remarks, branded "far Right" etc...all have been dismissed when looked into but still people hate him for no just "Poltical" reason. If you hate, or dislike him on a personal level fine, but have an fair debate when it comes to the job his was doing and done. There is no doubt Trump would have won VERY EASY if it wasn't for C19.That's not an excuse, but common sense.The most pushed democratic nominee ever, other maybe Hilary beat the Orange man by a hamsters pube length.Last week Trump was said to have no chance by the media or in the polls, and by god he almost did it! So if not for C19 Biden wouldnt have been close to winning. C19 killed Trumps chances of winning fairly as he is judged upon that fact that 200k have died in the US due to it.Before C19, the US had its greatest economy ever, there was the lowest black unemployment recored and he helped calm down tensions on the korean peninsula by have f**king balls.How many wars have Trump taken his country into these past 4 years?? There has been a clear anti trump narrative from day one, and given the democrats past and illogical behaviour towards anything Trump there can be little doubt of corruption of some kind given how close the result was. The thing is this could be overturned,I doubt it will...and anything that happens from January will be blamed on the Trump era, even tho that old insane smug,pervo Biden will be in office. You watch where the radical, brainwashed lefties take us over the next 4 years. The world's a much safer place with Trump in the white house than we will be with Biden there. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 8, 2020 9:11:10 GMT
Evidence of fraud? Do you have any? There is plenty if you care to search online with an open mind which you wont...as anything shared here will just be rejected as lies unless it comes from a main stream media source or it fits into your views.That's always the case here on Gas chat. Let bottom line this, there has been a witch hunt against Trump from day one that he said he was running 5 years ago. Sexual scandals from his past,Russia involvement ,claimed racist remarks, branded "far Right" etc...all have been dismissed when looked into but still people hate him for no just "Poltical" reason. If you hate, or dislike him on a personal level fine, but have an fair debate when it comes to the job his was doing and done. There is no doubt Trump would have won VERY EASY if it wasn't for C19.That's not an excuse, but common sense.The most pushed democratic nominee ever, other maybe Hilary beat the Orange man by a hamsters pube length.Last week Trump was said to have no chance by the media or in the polls, and by god he almost did it! So if not for C19 Biden wouldnt have been close to winning. C19 killed Trumps chances of winning fairly as he is judged upon that fact that 200k have died in the US due to it.Before C19, the US had its greatest economy ever, there was the lowest black unemployment recored and he helped calm down tensions on the korean peninsula by have f**king balls.How many wars have Trump taken his country into these past 4 years?? There has been a clear anti trump narrative from day one, and given the democrats past and illogical behaviour towards anything Trump there can be little doubt of corruption of some kind given how close the result was. The thing is this could be overturned,I doubt it will...and anything that happens from January will be blamed on the Trump era, even tho that old insane smug,pervo Biden will be in office. You watch where the radical, brainwashed lefties take us over the next 4 years. The world's a much safer place with Trump in the white house than we will be with Biden there. So let's me get this right,you are saying right across America there has been an organised conspiracy in every state as that is what it would have to be unless you believe the Democrats just cherry picked a few states to skew the result by fraud. Tell me how they would do that please? How do you work out how many fraudulent votes you need in each state just to get a small margin of victory which could be subject to a recount or legal challenge, if you bother to examine most Countries where voter fraud is evident the party that undertakes it win by a landslide,Lithuania being a case in point. As for the World being a safer place the trashing of Climate Change,the threats to China and potential to withdraw from Nato has pushed tension up all over the World. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 8, 2020 9:31:07 GMT
There is plenty if you care to search online with an open mind which you wont...as anything shared here will just be rejected as lies unless it comes from a main stream media source or it fits into your views.That's always the case here on Gas chat. Let bottom line this, there has been a witch hunt against Trump from day one that he said he was running 5 years ago. Sexual scandals from his past,Russia involvement ,claimed racist remarks, branded "far Right" etc...all have been dismissed when looked into but still people hate him for no just "Poltical" reason. If you hate, or dislike him on a personal level fine, but have an fair debate when it comes to the job his was doing and done. There is no doubt Trump would have won VERY EASY if it wasn't for C19.That's not an excuse, but common sense.The most pushed democratic nominee ever, other maybe Hilary beat the Orange man by a hamsters pube length.Last week Trump was said to have no chance by the media or in the polls, and by god he almost did it! So if not for C19 Biden wouldnt have been close to winning. C19 killed Trumps chances of winning fairly as he is judged upon that fact that 200k have died in the US due to it.Before C19, the US had its greatest economy ever, there was the lowest black unemployment recored and he helped calm down tensions on the korean peninsula by have f**king balls.How many wars have Trump taken his country into these past 4 years?? There has been a clear anti trump narrative from day one, and given the democrats past and illogical behaviour towards anything Trump there can be little doubt of corruption of some kind given how close the result was. The thing is this could be overturned,I doubt it will...and anything that happens from January will be blamed on the Trump era, even tho that old insane smug,pervo Biden will be in office. You watch where the radical, brainwashed lefties take us over the next 4 years. The world's a much safer place with Trump in the white house than we will be with Biden there. So let's me get this right,you are saying right across America there has been an organised conspiracy in every state as that is what it would have to be unless you believe the Democrats just cherry picked a few states to skew the result by fraud. Tell me how they would do that please? How do you work out how many fraudulent votes you need in each state just to get a small margin of victory which could be subject to a recount or legal challenge, if you bother to examine most Countries where voter fraud is evident the party that undertakes it win by a landslide,Lithuania being a case in point. As for the World being a safer place the trashing of Climate Change,the threats to China and potential to withdraw from Nato has pushed tension up all over the World. You'll be telling me you believe in the Moon landings next. Jeez. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 8, 2020 9:40:34 GMT
That brought back a few memories, I remember the interview at the time. Not sure which bits you think make sense today. I enjoy a good conspiracy theory and would happily look at most things. There is a world of difference between opinion, theory and outright lies or misinformation. For example earlier this year Icke posted a photo on his twitter account of soliders marching past Westminster stating it was just taken and was evidence of a coup. Problem though is that the photo had the soldiers in old uniforms and with old equipment, marching past Big Ben with no scaffolding. It was a stock photo from several years ago. I think he actually made some good points. Of course a lot of it is nonsensical mumbo jumbo. Many people see David Icke as an absolute nutjob, but is it any different than billions of people from all over the World believing their God is real, that Jesus was resurrected, that Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse, or Ganesha had the head of an Elephant? Why is religion deemed acceptable, yet people like David Icke aren't? I agree with the religion stuff ..... all nonsense. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 8, 2020 9:54:54 GMT
So let's me get this right,you are saying right across America there has been an organised conspiracy in every state as that is what it would have to be unless you believe the Democrats just cherry picked a few states to skew the result by fraud. Tell me how they would do that please? How do you work out how many fraudulent votes you need in each state just to get a small margin of victory which could be subject to a recount or legal challenge, if you bother to examine most Countries where voter fraud is evident the party that undertakes it win by a landslide,Lithuania being a case in point. As for the World being a safer place the trashing of Climate Change,the threats to China and potential to withdraw from Nato has pushed tension up all over the World. You'll be telling me you believe in the Moon landings next. Jeez. What moon landings😆 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 12:27:57 GMT
Evidence of fraud? Do you have any? There is plenty if you care to search online with an open mind which you wont...as anything shared here will just be rejected as lies unless it comes from a main stream media source or it fits into your views.That's always the case here on Gas chat. Let bottom line this, there has been a witch hunt against Trump from day one that he said he was running 5 years ago. Sexual scandals from his past,Russia involvement ,claimed racist remarks, branded "far Right" etc...all have been dismissed when looked into but still people hate him for no just "Poltical" reason. If you hate, or dislike him on a personal level fine, but have an fair debate when it comes to the job his was doing and done. There is no doubt Trump would have won VERY EASY if it wasn't for C19.That's not an excuse, but common sense.The most pushed democratic nominee ever, other maybe Hilary beat the Orange man by a hamsters pube length.Last week Trump was said to have no chance by the media or in the polls, and by god he almost did it! So if not for C19 Biden wouldnt have been close to winning. C19 killed Trumps chances of winning fairly as he is judged upon that fact that 200k have died in the US due to it.Before C19, the US had its greatest economy ever, there was the lowest black unemployment recored and he helped calm down tensions on the korean peninsula by have f**king balls.How many wars have Trump taken his country into these past 4 years?? There has been a clear anti trump narrative from day one, and given the democrats past and illogical behaviour towards anything Trump there can be little doubt of corruption of some kind given how close the result was. The thing is this could be overturned,I doubt it will...and anything that happens from January will be blamed on the Trump era, even tho that old insane smug,pervo Biden will be in office. You watch where the radical, brainwashed lefties take us over the next 4 years. The world's a much safer place with Trump in the white house than we will be with Biden there. Your opinion Icegas,but little basis in fact. Take the economy, the one path where, as you have, Trump can argue some (on paper) positive stats. You take an economy which has been growing for 6 consecutive years prior to 2016 and then in 3 years you pump $3 Trillion, that's TRILLION, of debt funded money into it, what do you think is going to happen? Of course when that artificial stimulus stops the economy slows down and asset values start to drop. But the debt is still there, earning interest. And guess who holds a lot of that debt? China. Now tell me Icegas, is that the sort of economic management you endorse? Because you just have. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 8, 2020 12:58:37 GMT
There is plenty if you care to search online with an open mind which you wont...as anything shared here will just be rejected as lies unless it comes from a main stream media source or it fits into your views.That's always the case here on Gas chat. Let bottom line this, there has been a witch hunt against Trump from day one that he said he was running 5 years ago. Sexual scandals from his past,Russia involvement ,claimed racist remarks, branded "far Right" etc...all have been dismissed when looked into but still people hate him for no just "Poltical" reason. If you hate, or dislike him on a personal level fine, but have an fair debate when it comes to the job his was doing and done. There is no doubt Trump would have won VERY EASY if it wasn't for C19.That's not an excuse, but common sense.The most pushed democratic nominee ever, other maybe Hilary beat the Orange man by a hamsters pube length.Last week Trump was said to have no chance by the media or in the polls, and by god he almost did it! So if not for C19 Biden wouldnt have been close to winning. C19 killed Trumps chances of winning fairly as he is judged upon that fact that 200k have died in the US due to it.Before C19, the US had its greatest economy ever, there was the lowest black unemployment recored and he helped calm down tensions on the korean peninsula by have f**king balls.How many wars have Trump taken his country into these past 4 years?? There has been a clear anti trump narrative from day one, and given the democrats past and illogical behaviour towards anything Trump there can be little doubt of corruption of some kind given how close the result was. The thing is this could be overturned,I doubt it will...and anything that happens from January will be blamed on the Trump era, even tho that old insane smug,pervo Biden will be in office. You watch where the radical, brainwashed lefties take us over the next 4 years. The world's a much safer place with Trump in the white house than we will be with Biden there. Your opinion Icegas,but little basis in fact. Take the economy, the one path where, as you have, Trump can argue some (on paper) positive stats. You take an economy which has been growing for 6 consecutive years prior to 2016 and then in 3 years you pump $3 Trillion, that's TRILLION, of debt funded money into it, what do you think is going to happen? Of course when that artificial stimulus stops the economy slows down and asset values start to drop. But the debt is still there, earning interest. And guess who holds a lot of that debt? China. Now tell me Icegas, is that the sort of economic management you endorse? Because you just have. Ok..well if that's the case and basically the past 6 years of previous presidents actions are the reason why the the economy was booming yet Trump took credit for it, then can't that be reversed by also suggesting that bad actions from previous presidents on things like - racial dived, equal pay between genders, Climate change etc... not be Trumps fault as he wasn't in office 6 years ago? See you can't have it both ways.. But most on the left do and wont find any middle ground. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 8, 2020 13:08:15 GMT
There is plenty if you care to search online with an open mind which you wont...as anything shared here will just be rejected as lies unless it comes from a main stream media source or it fits into your views.That's always the case here on Gas chat. Let bottom line this, there has been a witch hunt against Trump from day one that he said he was running 5 years ago. Sexual scandals from his past,Russia involvement ,claimed racist remarks, branded "far Right" etc...all have been dismissed when looked into but still people hate him for no just "Poltical" reason. If you hate, or dislike him on a personal level fine, but have an fair debate when it comes to the job his was doing and done. There is no doubt Trump would have won VERY EASY if it wasn't for C19.That's not an excuse, but common sense.The most pushed democratic nominee ever, other maybe Hilary beat the Orange man by a hamsters pube length.Last week Trump was said to have no chance by the media or in the polls, and by god he almost did it! So if not for C19 Biden wouldnt have been close to winning. C19 killed Trumps chances of winning fairly as he is judged upon that fact that 200k have died in the US due to it.Before C19, the US had its greatest economy ever, there was the lowest black unemployment recored and he helped calm down tensions on the korean peninsula by have f**king balls.How many wars have Trump taken his country into these past 4 years?? There has been a clear anti trump narrative from day one, and given the democrats past and illogical behaviour towards anything Trump there can be little doubt of corruption of some kind given how close the result was. The thing is this could be overturned,I doubt it will...and anything that happens from January will be blamed on the Trump era, even tho that old insane smug,pervo Biden will be in office. You watch where the radical, brainwashed lefties take us over the next 4 years. The world's a much safer place with Trump in the white house than we will be with Biden there. Your opinion Icegas,but little basis in fact. Take the economy, the one path where, as you have, Trump can argue some (on paper) positive stats. You take an economy which has been growing for 6 consecutive years prior to 2016 and then in 3 years you pump $3 Trillion, that's TRILLION, of debt funded money into it, what do you think is going to happen? Of course when that artificial stimulus stops the economy slows down and asset values start to drop. But the debt is still there, earning interest. And guess who holds a lot of that debt? China. Now tell me Icegas, is that the sort of economic management you endorse? Because you just have. We are f**ked in regards to China, as just like you said they are holding all the debt and are fast becoming the world's world reserve currency. That's not Trumps doing,as thats been going on for years even down to the cash that they invest in Hollywood films. Trump has been strong on China and North Korea,how do you think Biden will be...😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 13:24:01 GMT
Your opinion Icegas,but little basis in fact. Take the economy, the one path where, as you have, Trump can argue some (on paper) positive stats. You take an economy which has been growing for 6 consecutive years prior to 2016 and then in 3 years you pump $3 Trillion, that's TRILLION, of debt funded money into it, what do you think is going to happen? Of course when that artificial stimulus stops the economy slows down and asset values start to drop. But the debt is still there, earning interest. And guess who holds a lot of that debt? China. Now tell me Icegas, is that the sort of economic management you endorse? Because you just have. Ok..well if that's the case and basically the past 6 years of previous presidents actions are the reason why the the economy was booming yet Trump took credit for it, then can't that be reversed by also suggesting that bad actions from previous presidents on things like - racial dived, equal pay between genders, Climate change etc... not be Trumps fault as he wasn't in office 6 years ago? See you can't have it both ways.. But most on the left do and wont find any middle ground. I completely agree with you Icegas. The other issues you raise predated Trump's regime and he did not cause them. His only crime on those fronts was that his language and actions exacerbated those issues, not in anyway helped to address them. The same problems sit now at Biden's desk. The pressure from around him, from within his own party, is growing. The Democratic Party Establishment will find it very hard to resist the likes of Alexandria Ocasio - Cortez and the growing number of aggressive "progressives" in the party. They have to sell a vision to the 70 million that voted for Trump, because an awful lot of those people would benefit from the very policies that the progressives are advocating. It's the same here. It's not enough for Starmer to ridicule Johnson weekly, where are the policies that address the concerns of all those people who voted for the Tories last December. It's not enough for liberal elites to sneer and laugh at people who, on paper, are like Turkeys voting for Christmas. Assumed logic has not worked. We need to address people's fears and ambitions. Even if they cannot always effectively articulate them and are prone to the opiate of flag waving nationalism. |
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